I come across this clip and thought some of you would enjoy it. Sorry if this has been up before.

It's got some Buffalo Elephant and Hippo hunting with spears. Evan a segment of poachers shooting at helicopters.

Be warned gruesome and bloody not for the faint of heart!

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Those are some brave people, but I think a rifle kill is in most cases a much quicker death for the animal, with a good shot.

Pretty intense all right, but a look at where we all came from.

whoa... Seems barbaric, but like the last poster, we'd be doing the same thing if it was 200 years ago.

That hipo was definately well 'tenderized'.

Where we came from!?! Maybe it's were we are going to!!!!!

RayRay,
Thanks for posting that. I always enjoy hearing that song from the 80's by the group Toto, "Africa": Perfect theme music for that footage.

Now shall we discuss the merits of various spears for PG versus DG? How many spear chuckers to include in your party? Is solo spear chucking with a backup rifle merely a low class stunt?

Was that black powder from muzzle-loaders being shot up at the chopper? Big party of poachers or what?

What's with all the bodies in a pit and in a spread on the ground in the final scenes? Did Jim Jones take his Koolaid to Africa too? What country, when? Maybe I am missing the machete blood, or they are just posing in heaps as some sort of performance art?

I sure hope sumbuddy who know anything can help with the latter puzzling scenes.

The HELI should have been an APACHE GUN SHIP; and those on board should have been returning fire at the POACHERS!
To avoid undue suffering animals should be killed as quickly as possible.

Supply sustenance hunters with proper rifles and ammo.

If we all loose our gun rights, hunting should be done by driving the quarry into a pit too deep for it to escape from, then from it's perimeter above, a large number, [which depends on the size of the animal - say 50 or more for elephant] of skilled ARCHERS collectively fire at the beast till it's death.

I think the hunters who choose a weapon other than a firearm because it is a "tougher" challenge to kill their quarry that way should think of this.

Why not use a firearm and choose NOT to shoot unless they can hunt to within 35 or 25 yards, or what ever distance, of the animal they think they would limit themselves to if using a bow or spear or what ever?

I believe that MORALLY the animal MUST be killed with the least amount of time passing between the instant the injury occurs, [from our shot] to the instant of death.

IMO my right to hunt does NOT supercede the MORAL obligation I have to kill FAST!

So if I become unable to handle firearm recoil, I won't use a different weapon for hunting as the killer.

I'll fire a paint ball or lazer at the "game" and have the guide or pro make the kill with an appropriate RIFLE.

The supposed "mass grave" puzzled me too.

And why were the "dead" bodies laying next to the tree, gathered precisely where the shade of the tree fell on the ground? I can't help but wonder if this was staged, as the shade would move to the side rather quickly...

The clip of the 2 cars with a rope tied between them to trip up running zebras is kind of nasty IMO. It reminded me of a Tuareg nomad I got to know in Agadez, Niger. He told me he liked to hunt gazelle. And I naturally asked if I could join him. This was no problem, and when I asked what we would shot with, he laughed and told me he didn't own a hunting rifle, but preferred to drive over them with his Land Cruiser...

The shear numbers of "spear hunters" seen in the clip, and the way many of them appeared to not really know what they were doing, make me suspect that these scenes were also staged by a well paying film crew...

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Originally posted by ErikD:

The shear numbers of "spear hunters" seen in the clip, and the way many of them appeared to not really know what they were doing, make me suspect that these scenes were also staged by a well paying film crew...

I thought quite a few of those chaps looked pretty well versed in the art of the spear.

As for the mass graves, if you look close you will see that there are actually two. The first is only in the clip for a second or two.

Pretty interesting film, no matter how much was staged.

Jason

I bet everyone of those spear chuckers would give their left nut for a 45/70.They would also probably shrug their shoulders at the old minimum caliber, what kind of bullet, crossbow-is-a-stunt-hunt debate.They are either very stupid and hungry or very brave and hungry.

I still feel sorry for the elephant.

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Originally posted by RAC:
I still feel sorry for the elephant.

Well the other option is to die of starvation when the last set of teeth wears out.

Jason

I felt for the ele too. Did you see it yanking the spears out with its trunk, until catching one in the eye? Also, seeing the calf hippo sort of hit a nerve, although it certainly would have been the tastiest of the trio...

Not a pleasant way to go, but I guess people have to eat. Not a lot of fast food joints out there in the bush. Still a series of brutal deaths and suffering. I'll stick mostly to firearms myself. Disney, that ain't!

If you watch the elephant hunt you can see some really brave spearman run right up and dodge the elephant's kick. Shortly afterward the camera rocks and the elephant falls. My guess is that a game ranger took a brain shot.

If there is any question about the skill of the spearman take a look at the hippo hunt. When the hippo tries to charge they hold the formation(skerm line) and continue the battle. In inexperienced groups this "skerm line" fails and the result is failure. Just ask Col. Custer.

Also. I think there were too many guys near the truck to be poachers. My guess is rebels in Angola or Mozambique. That would also explain the graves.

Jason

Pretty sad stuff really. No animal should have to go through that in the 21st century. (Breaking zebra legs to down them, pretty disturbing.)

Anyone who gets a hard-on watching animals die like that isn't much of a hunter.

These are footage from the documentary "Africa addio" (translated from Italian to mean Goodbye Africa) . I believe it was known by the english title "Bloody africa"?? Recent thread showing an elephant "herded" towards a hunter by a helicopter is from the same documentary.

The mass graves were from the revolution in zanzibar.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:

The mass graves were from the revolution in zanzibar.

Right you are!

The top left pic below is seen at the end of the video (notice the wall).

Link to picture of mass grave

For the story and pic of the other mass grave Go Here .

WOW!

Truly amazing! It was a snapshot into what our pleistocene ancestors would have done in order to survive.

The barbaric reality of primitive hunting - all game becomes dangerous game in these situations.

These images are frightening, but how many spear-men had given their lives trying to down game in order for their tibe to survive?

When Discovery Channel and its offspring depict our ancestors hunting mastodon or other animals in small parties or killing with one spear - I shriek at the unscientific inaccuracy.

It goes to show - that the mega-fauna of the pleistocene went extinct for reasons beyond hunting... for if it were true that the "clovis point" was the A- bomb of current mythology, elephants and rhino would have been extinct long before the first muzzle-loader arrived in Afica.

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These are footage from the documentary "Africa addio" (translated from Italian to mean Goodbye Africa) . I believe it was known by the english title "Bloody africa"??

That is correct. I have the video material. It portrays the disrespect for life and also in the animal kingdom. It started with the revolt of the Mau-Mau and how they murdered the British farmers and kicked them out of Kenya and Uganda. The same savagery was carried over to the decimation of animal life, once the Britsh had left - the senseless killing of hundrerds of thousands of animals that was killed and left to rot - not to consume - it is a shocking video. The calous manner of killing is not properly displayed in the clip - get the video and get the full context of what really happened - dispicable and horrible.

Our forefathers cannot be accused of the same mindless actions in this video - a crime against nature.

Chris

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by ErikD:

The shear numbers of "spear hunters" seen in the clip, and the way many of them appeared to not really know what they were doing, make me suspect that these scenes were also staged by a well paying film crew...

I thought quite a few of those chaps looked pretty well versed in the art of the spear.

As for the mass graves, if you look close you will see that there are actually two. The first is only in the clip for a second or two.

Pretty interesting film, no matter how much was staged.

Jason

Jason,

I agree that some of them looked like they knew what they were doing, but I stand on that the majority looked like they didn't. So I can't help but continue to wonder many of them were hired to make the scenes more dramatic...

I couldn't finish it. As soon as I saw the elephant reach up to pull out a spear I had to shut it down. I've hunted all my life but always in the most humane way possible.

This film is very upsetting.

Good Bye Africa huh? Desperate people in a desperate situation. It seems as though it hasn't changed for 10000 years. My God, how many AK 47's and SKS's are in the hands of humans with this mentality? No guns you say, yep there was Ruwanda and Burundi. Now it's Darfur and Iraq. Better enjoy it while you can boys, it ain't gittin no better!!

Bwanamitch my now more but there is a tribe south of the Serengeti {Eyasi area} where they hunt game such as Ele even these days with spears.
The poachers may be well armed Somali poachers who often travel well into Kenya.
ozhunter

Yes its sad but it is reality. Also a perfect example why the afro-american race dominates football! Did yall see some of those moves!!

I believe the first elephant shot was from the video.. "15 minute safari" which was also a disgrace

I also think that the group, with the spears, know how to throw one, as a hunter I enjoy the hunt not so much the killing, I would not watch the clip again,

91q45

Once you've been amongst them, there's no such thing as too much spear1

I watched half and was surprised to see that it was not that sad.Animals living in the wild,and healthy people hunting for there next meal.Two words come to mind clean,and natural.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Bwanamitch my now more but there is a tribe south of the Serengeti {Eyasi area} where they hunt game such as Ele even these days with spears.

Oz,
You are talking about the wa-Hadzabe bushmen of Lake Eyasi region. They are hunter-gatherers and they still hunt with their bows and arrows BUT not elephants. Mainly small game such as monkeys, duikers, small antelopes, etc. They are slowly becoming "extinct" as a pure tribe due to mass movement from towns to their area and starting agricultural schemes (Wheat,etc). a real shame! That whole area - which comprises most of their traditional territory - has been allocated amidst huge controversy to the Dubai(?) Royal family as a hunting concession.....the end of the Hadzabe and perhaps the game?

Hopefully not!

Bwanamich,
Your comment about the hunting concession granted to the Dubai royal family is an interesting side remark. I would like to hear more details if you would? Is this the same guy who stocked an entire island in the Persian Gulf with animals?

I did a google search for Africa Addio and came up with this...

Africa Blood and Guts is Africa Addio with 50 of its 138 minutes cut out of it. The people responsible for Mondo Cane went into Africa in the 1960s to record the chaos that ensued after European colonialists began to withdraw after exploiting its people and resources for years. Africa Addio is still one of the most powerful and shocking documentaries ever made, and is still pertinent (those responsible for screwing up Iraq should take note of its lessons). Distributor Jerry Gross took the original film, stripped it of all its historical context and political savvy, and released what is basically just a gross-out film under the more sensational title "Africa Blood and Guts".
Blue Underground has released the uncut Africa Addio in its uncut version as part of the Mondo Cane collection. Get that instead if you can.

Here is another google search....

Perhaps the most controversial film made by Prosperi and Jacopetti was "Africa Addio" ("Farewell, Africa"), an attempt to document the changes in Africa during the time when the European imperial powers granted independence and withdrew from the continent. Ultimately accused of racism by critics for their unflinching portrait of a region gone mad, "Africa Addio" reveals in grisly detail the monstrous crimes committed by indigenous Africans against the remaining white settlers and the local wildlife. Large segments of the film show poachers brutally killing animals in the parks set up by Europeans. Moreover, the killing extends to humans as civil wars break out across the continent, with Africans killing each other, slaughtering Muslim minorities, and battling white mercenaries. Two executions caught on camera eventually resulted in charges against Gualtiero Jacopetti, who stood accused of orchestrating the killings for the camera (he was eventually exonerated). As tough as this film is to watch, try and look past the bloodshed and enjoy the panoramic scenery found in nearly every scene. Africa, despite all of its troubles, truly is a beautiful land.

Yellowstone,
I don't know if it is the same people/person.

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... the chaos that ensued after European colonialists began to withdraw after exploiting its people and resources for years.

The colonial escapades of the British in Africa cannot be denied, but they were not alone; we had the involvement of the French, Belgians, and Portuguese in Africa as well in different parts of Africa. The other side of the coin is, if they (all of them) never entered Africa at all, the Blacks would not have used soap and clothes. Without inoculations they would have died by the millions. The chaos that followed after the colonial nations withdrew, was widespread and predictable. Civil wars and senseless killing abound. Democracy is largely a farce due to corruption and people that hang on to power due to intimidation of opposition parties.

The senseless killing of animals by the blacks that followed had nothing to do with western civilization. Killing hundreds of hippos in a river and leave them to rot and to kill thousands of game for the fun is vandalism of the greatest degree. Cutting the tendons of cattle in a kraal for no reason is as cruel as you can get. Beer, eggs and oranges were thrown away as it was considered contaminated as the origin thereof was "white". The farms that they took over were destroyed - they used the wooden floors in the farm houses as firewood, they ploughed the lawns and uprooted the shade trees around the houses (they were planted by the British), and many other things that you can see in the film - to many to name them all.

The film is truly shocking and reminds of mindless savages at large. Kenyatta said: ... "I like the English, but in Britain." Mugabe of Zimbabwe said the same thing - perhaps less complimentary. Without the whites in ZIM, and left to their own devices, they are doomed ... wish it was different, as they will, as the rest of Africa, will become a drain on the rest of the planet.

Chris

Yellowstone

Is this island named Sir Bani Yas?

It is an animal sanctuary on an island off the coast of Dubai. Here is the link.

http://www.arabianwildlife.com/archive/vol3.1/sirban.htm

Ron L