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This is for our Zim members, is it still possible today to make this statement ?and what are the chances of it being Legal and True " No Name Company have obtained access to 14 new areas in Zimbabwe!" " These areas are mostly OPEN Areas! With free-ranging game including Lion, Leopard, Buffalo and Elephant as well as significant numbers of Plains Game In addition, we are working with our Zimbabwe partners and the Zimbabwe National Parks to obtain a management quota in the 14,600 square km Hwange National Park " " We also have access to a number of Private, Community and Campfire areas where we can undertake Dangerous Game Trophy and Problem Animal Control Hunts." So how dodgy is this company ? Or am I completely wrong ? in wondering about this Walter Enslin kwansafaris@mweb.co.za DRSS- 500NE Sabatti 450 Rigby 416 Rigby | ||
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Walter. PM sent. IMHO, I dont believe that any one company can offer that kind of variety in areas . The "working with Zimbabwe partners and Zimbabwe National Parks" makes me a little uneasy too. to sum up Access to 14 new areas Open areas(not sure what that is...I assume Rural council or national Parks Controlled) Access to private ,community of campfire areas AND a management quota within Hwange national Park. MMMMMMMMMMM smell the fish......but thats just my opinion. | |||
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Could an announcement from the re-born Out Of Africa! With something like this, I would run a mile from them! | |||
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Hunting in Hwange? Ya, they tried that about 3 yrs ago, it didn't work out so well!!! Think I would stay clear of this one. | |||
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I checked their web page. They pride themselves to be "The Dangerous Game Specialists". Yet, despite quite a bit of searching on their web site, I found absolutely no mention of the experience of any of the PH's. Given the company home address and no mention of experience levels, nor full names, and the links to others just takes you back to thier own "Links" page, I would agree with Walter and ask: "Can it be true?" To this question IMHO the only reply is: "No. It cannot be true!" But I'd like to, as kwan asked, hear the Zimbabwe boys chip in here. In good hunting. Andrew McLaren | |||
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I don't think you need to be a Zimbabwe safari operator to know you should steer clear of this outfit. A safari in Hwange? I can't count how many ways that is wrong. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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What's their web address? martinpieterssafaris@gmail.com www.martinpieterssafaris.com " hunt as if it's your last one you'll ever be on" | |||
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personally I would only hunt with someone who was established over several years and had a good reputation. and only us a booking agent I trust. yes anyone who knows me knows who I'm talking about booking through  His wife is a Saint she has to be to put up with him  | |||
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Just another instant RSA PH who is nothing more than a booking agent for one or more Zim outfitters Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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A quick google finds this: http://african-hunting.com/news-zimbabwe-areas.html
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Thanks Bill, unless Zimbabwe attacked Botswana and took over half the Okavango ( in the last 2 weeks ), then absolute BS, there are no new concessions in Zim and there have been no auctions in recent months. As far as I am aware no leases have changed hands or been sold. Russ is right, a booking agent for a ' Zim ' outfitter that also sounds dodgy, stay away from this one!! Sally will follow up with PHASA. Martin martinpieterssafaris@gmail.com www.martinpieterssafaris.com " hunt as if it's your last one you'll ever be on" | |||
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Thanks for the headsup Martin Walter Enslin kwansafaris@mweb.co.za DRSS- 500NE Sabatti 450 Rigby 416 Rigby | |||
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Maybe one of our Stateside buddies could email these fellows and get some information. What areas are the 14 new areas?? Who are the Zim partners and who are the PHs etc etc If anyone does, please post their replies as I am sure everyone would be interested. If they ARE legit then they would have nothing to hide | |||
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Martin may be on to something here! If Zim would take over Bots maybe Robert would share his economic prowess. | |||
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Hi Everyone. The misgivings expressed in this thread are all directed at African Trackers and Trophies; a company operated by Hancke Hudson and myself, David Botha. Now Walter, who started the thread, does know Hancke having hunted in the same Tuvi block in Mozambique and could have looked on the “Contact Us” page of our website and given him a call to clear up his misunderstanding of our operations. So the question that Walter had for Zim Operators, really should have first been directed at us and it could have been clarified and corrected. However, I can see that if the context was not understood then our website could have caused this confusion. I must make it clear that Zimbabwe National Parks have not allocated NEW hunting areas that I’m aware of; but we as a company have access through our partners to 14 areas that are new for us and our clients – some of you may have already hunted them for years! So my apologies if I inadvertently caused confusion – it was not intended and has been rectified on our web site. Anyway, I will set the record straight for you all. Hancke and I have hunted in Africa for the last 20-years. We have at various times; sometimes on our own and sometimes with local partners; worked in the DRC, Tanzania, Zambia, Mozambique, South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe. If you do some research you will find that we have an unblemished record in all the areas we have worked and in all the time we have operated. However, regarding our current operation with our Zimbabwe partners: 1. We have a joint venture with a Bulawayo based safari company who are the outfitters and provide professional hunters and access to the various areas. 2. We have 14 areas with them that are new for our company and our clients – not new areas in themselves. If this caused confusion, then again I apologise but you gentleman could have called and asked. 3. Zimbabwe National Parks has a management plan for excess elephant (as I wish South Arica did) and our Zimbabwe partners applied for this and were awarded 5 elephants for 2011. 4. The numbers of areas we have access to are exactly as stated on our website. 5. Yes you are correct; we have an agency agreement because any other way of operating in Zimbabwe by a non-national would be illegal. I welcome anyone to get in touch and enquire about the veracity of our claims, rather than just sound off in a public forum especially when it is really easy to just give us a call as we are easily contactable and available. Hancke and I are proud of our long record in this industry and we will continue develop our business with the hopes and dreams of our clients in the forefront of our efforts. We do have a good reputation established over our 20-years of hunting in Africa and the suggestion that we are just an “instant RSA PH” is clearly just ill-informed. Anyway, good luck to both you outfitters and hunters with your 2011 season and again, I invite anyone to contact us if there is something you don’t know or would like to understand. Kind Regards David Botha African Trackers & Trophies www.african-hunting.com | |||
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Hi and Welcome Please if you can the name the outfitter in Zimbabwe ? Hunting within the parks in Zim are not allowed if I understand Zimbabwe laws correct ?!? Anton | |||
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Hi Anton, Thanks for the welcome. Firstly, it is not really necessary for me to give away information regarding my partners in Zimbabwe to anyone other than my clients. However, they are a licensed safari company based in Bulawayo and have been operating for a number of years. Secondly, Zimbabwe National Parks have a management plan and they have allocated 5 elephant in terms of this management plan to our partners in Zimbabwe. This was a National Parks initiative that was decided by the Regional office in Bulawayo together with the National Park’s ecologist’s assessment and recommendation. Our partners made a formal written application for this quota (just as any other licensed operator could have) and they informed me that this was approved and I could market it under our agency agreement. When I receive a copy of the letter of permission I'll happily provide it to my clients who want to hunt there as part of their information pack. Regards David | |||
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No offense sir but that would be a warning sign to me. If I called my booking agent and asked was going to hunt with and he wouldn't answer, I would go no further. | |||
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Fair comment Larry, for me this has all broken late today and I have not yet had the opportunity to discuss this with my partner in Zimbabwe. When I have, I will be happy to place his details in the public domain. Until then it wouldn't be fair. In addition, I never gave a "No answer", I gave a conditional one and I said I'd give detailed information to clients and I mean prospective ones that I have qualified as serious. I respect your decision that you would not go further based on this. You as a hunter have a really difficult job in selecting your particular safari company to hunt with. It is a big investment and thats probably why virtually all our clients are direct referrals by clients who have hunted with us in the past - and this is true for most safari companies. We all have pretty similar product but you need to go with the people you like and trust and with the safari companies you like and trust. Not an easy task for you and we understand that. We know that not everyone is going to hunt with us, but we have clients who hunt with us every year; and every year they bring us new clients - I'm really glad we've been doing this for so long because its a difficult business to break into. Give me a chance to talk to my Zimbabwe partner - is that fair enough? Regards David | |||
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Sir: I can absolutely understand the confusion over the new area comment. I can understand you wanting to speak to your partners. However in my opinion this should have been resolved before any advertising took place. I say this as a businessman. I have a saying I use a lot. That saying is that perception is reality. The perception is that this situation may be problematic. One other item. We (Americans) have laws to prevent us from doing business with certain individuals in Zim. I can't speak for other countries. Personally, I am not at all interested in committing a felony while on my vacation. We need to be sure who we are dealing with . Thus my caution when I can't get a name. | |||
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Are you offering hunts in the Gwayi Valley? ~Ann   | |||
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David As a Zimbabwean, I understand why foreign clients are nervous of statements which claim to offer large areas and "management quotas" with "partners" in Zimbabwe. You need to understand that there are a number of unscrupulous individuals and Companies from your neck of the woods , who have gotten into bed with the same such characters in this neck of the woods and a number of clients have fallen prey to their unethical and unprofessional conduct. I have no wish to paint you or your company with the same brush. If your Zimbabwean partner is above board and clean, then hopefully they will have no problem with openly advertising their company names, owners names and the areas they operate in, who their PHs are etc. If you are able to do that, then I am sure that everyone will be a great deal more positive and certainly more relaxed about your offers. If however they are not willing to extend that information to prospective clients, then surely you can understand the scepticism that such adverts are viewed with. | |||
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No response. Interesting. | |||
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My point I think has been made | |||
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David, You really are digging a deep hole with your answers. We have had far too many shady deals been offered here, so our members are a bit more informed than the typical client. You should have been forthcoming in answering their questions, instead of avoiding that. Why all the secrecy of who your parners are? | |||
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Damage control from Africa Trackers and Trophies website. AR is obviously a force to be reckoned. "Contrary to what you may read in the Accurate Reloading Forum, these are not newly allocated areas - they are new for us as a company and my apologies to those who were previously confused as they read this advertisement out of context and believed Zimbabwe National Parks had allocated new un-hunted areas, which is not true!" This is also on the site: "In addition, we are working with our Zimbabwe partners to obtain a management quota of elephant in a National Park." From David's post of 1-23. "3. Zimbabwe National Parks has a management plan for excess elephant (as I wish South Arica did) and our Zimbabwe partners applied for this and were awarded 5 elephants for 2011." Do you have the quota as stated on AR or still working on it as stated in your updated website? From what I understand no management hunts have been authorized as of yet. Went through this same scenario on another site. When the original poster finally gave out a name it was of an operator the was not licensed to operate in Zim. Of course he also had a strategic partnership but would not post the area or partner company. | |||
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