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I am not a PH and don't play one on TV...heck I have not even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!!! But in the circles that are...I believe the above statement would get some debate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Let the jury speak. Dave Fulson | |||
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I agree with Ivan 100%. He knows his job and he knows elephants1 The more people I get to know, the more I love my dog! | |||
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When I hit the lottery, I am going to book an old fashioned six week Safari with Ivan and do the Big Four, plus Hippo. Rich right after I stop at the Audi dealer and buy a black as sin R8. | |||
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Me too! | |||
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Ivan did a great job on that one. Its amazing how many brain shots are blown on elephant. Thats why if its a trophy bull the first one goes in the shoulder. At that point then either shoot again for the heart or try a brain. Some say its more ethical to brain em but if thats the case we should be braining everything from deer to dikers. On eight elephants I have only brained two but it was very spectacular. | |||
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Ivan Thanks for the reply. Enjoyed you Boddington DVD. PERHAPS WE'LL HUNT TOGETHER ONE DAY. JIM | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I look at it like a team effort. The shot is just part of the whole experiance. Jamie | |||
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I may have missed the answer to this question in previous posts as I don't read every single one and if so, I apologise in advance. Is there any detailed info on the Taylor rifle that was used in the said production, which unfortunately I have not seen? ie Who it was bought from, calibre, associated paper work to validate provenance, etc. | |||
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It was coevered in the show -- letter, magazine article, etc. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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As I said, I didn't see the show. The magazine article that you refer to, would you be kind enough to state which one? (magazine that is) Thanks. | |||
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I've erased the show but it was an older article about the rifle in question. Maybe someone else here still has the program to find out which one. In any event, the gist was that the provenance was well established. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Maybe we should ask Mark Sullivan about his opinion on follow up shots??? OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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That's funny! Johan | |||
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I suspect they will repeat the show in short order. They used to present a episode up to three times a week on the Outdoor channel. Sunday afternoon, early Saturday afternoon and 6.00 am on Thursday morning (USA central time). I believe it is only on Sunday afternoon now. It was a pretty good episode with details on the rifle and its authenticity. EZ | |||
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Each episode runs 3 times weekly. Please see the Outdoor Channel website for airing time in your area. Cheers Dave Dave Fulson | |||
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The primary ethic for any PH is to see to it that animal is killed quickly and cleanly and if it means the PH puts in a back up/insurance shot to achieve this then so be it. Good on you Ivan. BTW I hunted with the same client and rifle the year before and he made a perfect frontal brain shot at a Bull elephant at about 9 yards. It was great shooting in my book. Andy Hunter | |||
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A+1 always enjoy your shows Ivan! NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter: When I hit the lottery, I am going to book an old fashioned six week Safari with Ivan and do the Big Four, plus Hippo. Rich QUOTE] That would be my very first purchase too. I met Ivan in Zim and he is a really personable and knowledgable guy. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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I think the hunter owned a gun store and a guy brought the double in the store to sell. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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The show repeated today and will be on again Thursday (5:30 PM central). Edit: The article is supposed to be in the 1979 Gun Digest and is supposedly called The Care and Feeding of a Double Rifle. They also showed a 1965 letter signed by John Taylor describing the rifle. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I've always told the PH that if he feels the need to shoot, he better do it. That said, I am a bit disappointed in myself if I have made them feel that need to shoot. It happened once for me, with my first Buffalo. I don't know, but it may become needed again; if so I hope the PH shoots. I don't care about losing the Trophy Fee for a wounded animal- that's my mistake. But its not good to leave a wounded animal around to risk someone else getting hurt, most likely some poor local villager who doesn't have a rifle or a PH or good medivac.... | |||
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A P.H that does not do ANY shooting during a season is not doing much hunting! Sorry Dave as a PH not sure what you are saying here? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Good behaviour Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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here's an option to consider: Client shoots a nice bull, client shoots the bull again. PH does not fire a finishing shot. Elephant runs off. Seven hours later in 120-degree, 99% humidity jungle Elephant comes out of nowhere and stomps client to death while PH is killing him. What do YOU tell the grieving widow? I didn't shoot because I wanted to give the client every opportunity to kill the Elephant himself. My ego isn't nearly that big. If I screw up the shot, you shoot while I am reloading my Searcy .470 NE double. I congratulate Ivan Carter for how he handled the situation. The client approved, he rebooked for this year. I just wish I made enough $$$ to hunt tuskers with Ivan and have Dave film it!! Rich | |||
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Not all of us are "world class" shooters like most folks that post on this forum! I've blown a couple of shots on Buff and Ele...Good thing My PH was there at the ready (yes Ivan saved my ass)!! Good work as usual IC | |||
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The majority of the best jury does not post here. Again...the PH's I run with have a motto..."A good year of PHing is one in which I never fire my rifle". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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TAA is a great show and that episode was better than most. If I invested the money, sweat and emotion in an elephant hunt only to shoot it twice and see it run away, I'd be praying for a lightning strike, earthquake or volcano to stop him. They're big enough animals that a team effort would be a good plan IMHO. | |||
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