I still say Angola will be before Sudan. If I had to guess Angola 5 years out and Sudan 10.

News just reported that the president of Sudan has been ousted as of today.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
News just reported that the president of Sudan has been ousted as of today.

Some interesting tidbits with Bashir being overthrown today. Bashir is estimated to have stolen and laundered in the vicinity of $10B in oil from Sudan (ie: South Sudan) over the past 30 years.

Denise Rich held fundraisers for the Clinton's when Bill was in office netting the Clinton Campaign a few million dollars. Immediately prior to Bill Clinton leaving office, a supposed seven figure donation was made by Denise Rich to the Clinton Library.

On Bill Clinton's last day in office in 2001, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich,(husband of Denise) who had been a fugitive from the USA since the early 80's for tax evasion.

Hillary Clinton while Secretary of State helps push the split of Sudan, forming South Sudan in 2011.

March Rich's company Glencore sets up a joint venture with South Sudan to market South Sudan's oil.

Since 2011, the USA has given a few billion in aid to South Sudan. South Sudan in return has donated / paid for lobbying to groups associated with Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and Harry Reid.

The Panama Papers and the Paradise Papers have opened up cases of corruption and money-laundering around the world. New cases seemed to be announced weekly.

With what the United States' new Attorney General said yesterday before Congress, and given his history, don't be surprised if we don't see some of these corruption and money-laundering cases popping up in America fairly soon.


I am not saying this will open up hunting in South Sudan, but if corruption can be interrupted and slowed down, change can become easier or a necessity for those in power since they may need to look for different paradigms for survival.


Here's to hoping that South Sudan will open while we are young enough to take advantage of it!

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I wonder how many armchair commandos here took Cam Grieg up on his offer for unguided foot Safaris in northern Cameroon. If you really wanted an old time African adventure, that was it- no PH, no Toyota, no daily laundry or cold drinks. And Boko Haram operating 40-50 miles away and moving around.

Sounds like the real thing.

Who is Cam Crieg?.

He was an American who was raised in northern Cameroon and maintained extensive contacts there. For a set fee, he fully arranged portered foot safaris with his crew. No PH, just you and a party of trackers, porters and a cook. You furnished your own kit. Essentially a DIY hunt for roan, LDE, savanna buffalo, or bongo if you wanted a rain forest hunt. Far and away the hardest hunt I have done and the most rewarding. Primitive to say the least....

Easy answer on the South Sudan: When it opens I'll go. Same for Angola.

I was there several times in 2012 with work (power station - never happened...) - definitely an "interesting" place - edgy at best, dangerous at worst.


It is a massive and mostly empty country and even given the massive number of weapons on display on every street there must be a lot of game. The flight on Ethiopian from Addis was interesting for the miles and miles of untracked bush.


In contrast with the decade plus I spent in Dar - I used to go to Bagamoyo Road police station for my annual firearms license renewal where the constables were carefully handed 5 bullets for their Chinese AK74 - "don't shoot them all at one bandit" - whereas in Juba I noticed an SPLA soldier guarding a ministry building weighed down with FIVE full magazines for his self-same Chinese AK. No doubt it'll kick-off later....

In early 2013 my brother in law went there to visit the hospital where they were supposed to run the primary health training project.

They were shocked to see 15 bodies lying around and bullet holes in walls and doors.

The civil unrest had flared up in the 2 days they were traveling!

They had to quickly change plans for the project. Fortunately a Christian hospital across the border in Uganda offered them their facilities and the trainees came over from SS - this was until 2018. Now 2019 they are in Bor and working on the front.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Truth be told, if Cam was still around offering this, now that I have some experience with hunting in Cameroon, I’d love to try it.

Unfortunately he is dead now and no one has his connections to restart that style of operation again.

It will be three years on June 24th that Cam passed. There are still some possibilities of hunting the Congo chasse libre, but it would be very difficult.

If were alive I bet my last dollar Cam would have no fear to go to the Sudan.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
In early 2013 my brother in law went there to visit the hospital where they were supposed to run the primary health training project.

They were shocked to see 15 bodies lying around and bullet holes in walls and doors.

The civil unrest had flared up in the 2 days they were traveling!

They had to quickly change plans for the project. Fortunately a Christian hospital across the border in Uganda offered them their facilities and the trainees came over from SS - this was until 2018. Now 2019 they are in Bor and working on the front.

We go to some remote places and spend a couple of weeks, and then debate the dangers of the areas we hunt. My hat is off to the doctors, nurses, staff, missionaries that spend their lives in some of these shitholes trying to make a better life for the local people. The ones I know are truly remarkable people.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
News just reported that the president of Sudan has been ousted as of today.

exactly

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We go to some remote places and spend a couple of weeks, and then debate the dangers of the areas we hunt. My hat is off to the doctors, nurses, staff, missionaries that spend their lives in some of these shitholes trying to make a better life for the local people. The ones I know are truly remarkable people.

few years back --When I was working on the irrigation design project in south east ethiopia--- that one of larry shores guys that did some ''work'' in there--- came by to see if our airport would be a satisfactory alternate, they were carrying quite heavy, quite heavy --- 3 days later the american hostages were free and on there way home-- and I was short a flat of beer -- the whole thing kinda made me homesick I will admit --

The new head of the military caretaker admin has also stepped down in 2 days.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
News just reported that the president of Sudan has been ousted as of today.

exactly

Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by stradling:
would be an obligatory mandate, once it opens

yes and yes to ''if it ever happens'' angola

trick is to ''get in there on an early trial'' hunt at the inception of the official opening up-- of the thing

Trick is to let others try first and if they get decapitated then forfeit your deposit.

I had friends over last summer that lives/works in Sudan and of course the living standard and everything else came up. Rat hole deluxe. Would I hunt there - absolutely!

photo safari video to south sudan

this may help a few of you folks that are ''a bit shy'' find your sea legs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gimWzWhf9ds

seldom do the camera geeks get in ahead of the boys packing rifles -- this could be the exception

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Originally posted by stradling:

That photo was taken in the Sudd Frank BUT how long ago??

about 4 years back

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Originally posted by stradling:
about 4 years back

Hopefully they are still there.

Watching “the 4 feathers” from 1939. Looks like great country but the Dervishes and Fuzzie Wuzzies don’t look to friendly

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Originally posted by stradling:


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Amazing, could you post the rest of the article?

I did the DYI hunt in Cameroon some years ago. I agree that it was, by far, my most rewarding hunt. I also drove overland from Namibia to fish in Angola at one time. (Getting a visa and getting through a border crossing with us being the first fellows in about 4 days to show up - not all that easy … )

In Angola, if we stopped on a road to take a break or change drivers …. if there was a 'house' anywhere in sight, inevitably we would see folks came running out of the back and disappear into the bush …

Nerves were still raw from the long war.

I would hunt in the Sudan. I would like that.

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Amazing, could you post the rest of the article?

It is in one of the scientific research libraries I belong to-- under the anthropology section

I will see if I can download or buy the full file and get back w you

Know if anyone still offers that hunt?

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Originally posted by scruffy:
I did the DYI hunt in Cameroon some years ago. I agree that it was, by far, my most rewarding hunt. I also drove overland from Namibia to fish in Angola at one time. (Getting a visa and getting through a border crossing with us being the first fellows in about 4 days to show up - not all that easy … )

In Angola, if we stopped on a road to take a break or change drivers …. if there was a 'house' anywhere in sight, inevitably we would see folks came running out of the back and disappear into the bush …

Nerves were still raw from the long war.

https://www.apnews.com/d41c6ae...404d8856a598d1ccad2d



South Sudan’s opposition leader warns of return to civil war

By SAM MEDNICK
an hour ago



JUBA, South Sudan (AP) — South Sudan’s opposition leader Riek Machar warned Sunday that the country could return to civil war if a coalition government is formed by a Nov. 12 deadline and he asked for another months-long delay for the crucial step in a fragile peace deal.

Machar made an impassioned plea to a visiting United Nations Security Council delegation that met with him and President Salva Kiir to urge speedier progress in pulling the country out of a five-year civil war that killed almost 400,000 people.

“Suppose we form a government on the 12th, you know what’s going to happen? The ceasefire we’ve been enjoying for over a year will erupt,” said the visiting Machar, whose opposition has said he won’t return to South Sudan for good until security arrangements are in place.


The previous attempt at Kiir and Machar sharing power ended in renewed fighting and Machar fleeing the country on foot in 2016. The issues being discussed today are the same ones that led to that earlier failure, the opposition leader said.

But the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Kelly Craft, said the council was “disappointed” by Machar’s warnings. The U.S. has said it would reevaluate its relationship with South Sudan if next month’s deadline isn’t met.

The Security Council still wants the Nov. 12 deadline met, South Sudan government spokesman Michael Makuei said: “No change of schedule nor change of program.”

The opposition, however, now wants a three-month delay, Makuei said.

One key outstanding issue is security. Machar and Kiir were told Sunday that it would take at least three months to train at least 41,500 fighters and troops into a unified national army along with a 3,000-member VIP protection force.

South Sudan’s government has said the international community should help fund that process.

The Security Council “is of the view that nothing is impossible, nothing is unsurmountable,” said South Africa’s ambassador to the U.N., Jerry Matthews Matjila. The remaining issues can be discussed by an inclusive government, he said.

One South Sudan expert said the international community is making a mistake.

“The U.N. Security Council took the wrong approach today,” Alan Boswell, senior analyst with the International Crisis Group, told The Associated Press.

“Rather than fixate on Nov. 12, everyone should be focused on pressuring the parties to resolve the issues necessary to form a viable government at less risk of collapse,” he said. “There are much worse scenarios than another delay.”


Another expert suggested a different approach.

South Sudan’s government “has consistently acted in bad faith,” said Klem Ryan, former coordinator of the Security Council’s panel of experts monitoring sanctions against South Sudan. “They need to be treated as illegitimate through increased international isolation by the diplomatic community until such time as they show a genuine desire to meet the needs of the people of South Sudan.”

The world’s youngest nation erupted in civil war just two years after winning independence from Sudan as Kiir and his deputy, Machar, clashed and their supporters took up arms. Millions have since been displaced and the oil-rich country’s economy has been shattered.

Well, where are the keyboard commandos who stated they would go hunting there??

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Well, where are the keyboard commandos who stated they would go hunting there??

I said 10 years out.
Angola will be before S. Sudan

Wear your steel boots. There are still thousands of land mines lying around.....Worse than Mozambique.

I travelled extensively in what was the Sudan back in the '80s when the civil war was just starting. The place is probably a lot more unstable now, but yes, I would go.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Wear your steel boots. There are still thousands of land mines lying around.....Worse than Mozambique.

Prince Harry has got the demining rolling in SE Angola...60m and 5 years the area should be cleared.

I would like to go, but I would also like to live: not sure if the two go together at the moment :-)

I have talked with old time PH Franz Coupe who guided for Robin Hurt in Sudan. He told me of days when they had literally taken a lion in the morning and a Bongo in the afternoon. And there were BIG Elephant around. Rhino were plentyful too. LD Eland were available and obviously buffalo.........

That said, it was never a cheap hunt and only very few ever had the balls and money to do it.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I wonder how many armchair commandos here took Cam Grieg up on his offer for unguided foot Safaris in northern Cameroon. If you really wanted an old time African adventure, that was it- no PH, no Toyota, no daily laundry or cold drinks. And Boko Haram operating 40-50 miles away and moving around.

I hunted in the rainforest with the help of Cam Greig , I think 10 years ago. Afterwards I got residency in the Cameroon (and lived there) and PH-License and have hunted on my own many times and took all major animals incl. Elephant and LD Eland. Have hunted self guided in Burkina Faso and Benin too.

Odds are that Jim Shockey will go to south sudan because he fears not! It will be shown on "Uncharted." Anyway, that's my guess.

When a reputable outfitter is operating, sure.

My Uganda outfitter has been working on opening South Sudan for a couple of years. If he does, it will be with the gov't as a partner in the safari company. He was there a week or two ago. I am going over on Nov 1 to hunt a week or so with him, and will find out the details. I know he is frustrated that it's all taking so long, but the amount of animals there is unreal. If it ever opens, there will be some good hunting to be had...

Pardon me if I've asked this before, but does anyone know whatever happened to the old Nile Safaris?

December 2013 I met a young couple going down van Zyls's Pass in the Kaokoland, both late 20's driving a 90 series Toyota Prado.
At the next campsite we start chatting, she is South African he is British. They resigned their jobs in London and bought the Prado and were in the process of driving down to Cape Town.

Worst country in their experience - Egypt.
Most surprised when they reported travelling through Sudan with very little hassle at customs, little hassle with police and military. They either bush camped or asked for permission to camp at a village and didn't have any scary experiences.

Still stopping an AK bullet from some guerrila for some cause will be scary.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It seems to me that unless you are filling a punch list for the Weatherby award or SCI inner circle jerk and needed a few weird plains game, why would you risk your life to shoot a rare or unusual antelope? I have no idea how a white eared kob differs from the kob I shot in Cameroon. And what the hell is a tiang??

I would go..

It's all about the adventure!!!