If South Sudan opens to hunting, would you go?

Ross

I am guessing hunting would be in the vicinity of the Boma NP. Tremendous migration of white eared kob , tiang and a few other species.

Would be something to see.

Did you hear anything while you were in Uganda regarding game numbers and/or hunting in Sudan?

I would certainly be open to the idea. Cost and availability of species would play into the equation.

The biggest key would probably be safety. At this point, it would probably rank up there with CAR and BF.

Do you have any updated news on the possibility of it opening?

Would I go? Only if my cancer returned and I was terminal anyway.

Probably. Depends on what is on offer and the safety precautions in the area.

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Originally posted by Safari2:
Ross

I am guessing hunting would be in the vicinity of the Boma NP. Tremendous migration of white eared kob , tiang and a few other species.

Would be something to see.



Did you hear anything while you were in Uganda regarding game numbers and/or hunting in Sudan?

Bongo and LDE were mentioned along with many other species. Tiang and the White eared Kob are what people know about, but apparently there are many other species making a comeback and are hunt able.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Probably. Depends on what is on offer and the safety precautions in the area.

Safety is an issue but with the right operator, safety is a higher likelihood with the right conditions.

It seems to me that unless you are filling a punch list for the Weatherby award or SCI inner circle jerk and needed a few weird plains game, why would you risk your life to shoot a rare or unusual antelope? I have no idea how a white eared kob differs from the kob I shot in Cameroon. And what the hell is a tiang??

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It seems to me that unless you are filling a punch list for the Weatherby award or SCI inner circle jerk and needed a few weird plains game, why would you risk your life to shoot a rare or unusual antelope? I have no idea how a white eared kob differs from the kob I shot in Cameroon. And what the hell is a tiang??

Jerry

White eared Kob males are black in color.
Tiang are the Sudanese version of a Topi

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It seems to me that unless you are filling a punch list for the Weatherby award or SCI inner circle jerk and needed a few weird plains game, why would you risk your life to shoot a rare or unusual antelope? I have no idea how a white eared kob differs from the kob I shot in Cameroon. And what the hell is a tiang??

I have to agree with Jerry on this one. With so many places to go on safari, unless someone is extremely experienced and chasing personal notoriety, I’m not sure why to go unless it gets quite a bit safer. Or, as Jerry also alluded to, when you don’t have much life left to lose.

That said, it’ll be interesting to follow and see if it becomes a destination again; and how the LDE and Bongo have fared. Africa is always fluid, as Uganda has recently shown.

Angelo Dacy used to outfit northern Sudan I always thought that would have been an amazing safari.

If I had funds and was chasing a Weatherby I'd do it.

My brother was with MSF there in 2018 for a few months.

My sister in law and her husband are doctors doing a mission based project at Bor - been in Uganda for 5 years and now in SS.

They live in a modified shipping container. They just got a solar system installed (donated) so they can use a fan during the hot days.

Safety is a real issue as the different factions are armed with AK47 etc. Shoot outs are common. My brother was treating gun shot wounds on a daily basis. Any traveling is in convoys with armed military escorts.

The corruption levels are unbelievable. NGOs are just being milked with little local support.

A huge sugar project was cancelled because of lack of local support.

Some of the local pastoral tribes have a mind set issue with doing manual work for a wage. No clue about development projects etc.

Feudal vendetta is big in the culture. If someone feels that you have been rude to them they might decide to shoot you.

There is some cross over with Uganada in people moving around. Early in 2018, one SS guy who was a security guard of sorts at a medical facility in Uganda murdered an Indian doctor because he thought that doc was rude to him.

They do not respect women much. Polygamy is main stream. Educated people who have come back to SS from Australia and taken senior government positions fall back into the traditional ways of Polygamy. The wife actually assists in finding the new wife for the husband!

Absolutely no information about hunting, firearms license etc.

It would be interesting as the Black kob is a big attraction. Plenty of Nile buffalo, hippo, leopard and even lion may be possible. I didn't know that LD Eland were found in such wet conditions.

SS is one of the least explored areas on earth in the last 300 years. Few roads, fewer maps.

Even the Amazon and Papua New Guinea have been explored more than SS.

The difference between South Sudan & North Sudan: Black & White.

Jerry is a wise man.

I always thought SE Angola would open up before S. Sudan. I could be proven wrong.

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Originally posted by Safari2:
I always thought SE Angola would open up before S. Sudan. I could be proven wrong.

It is interesting I have seen fishing trips offered to both Sudan (northern) and Angola.

Mike

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
My brother was with MSF there in 2018 for a few months.

My sister in law and her husband are doctors doing a mission based project at Bor - been in Uganda for 5 years and now in SS.

They live in a modified shipping container. They just got a solar system installed (donated) so they can use a fan during the hot days.

Safety is a real issue as the different factions are armed with AK47 etc. Shoot outs are common. My brother was treating gun shot wounds on a daily basis. Any traveling is in convoys with armed military escorts.

The corruption levels are unbelievable. NGOs are just being milked with little local support.

A huge sugar project was cancelled because of lack of local support.

Some of the local pastoral tribes have a mind set issue with doing manual work for a wage. No clue about development projects etc.

Feudal vendetta is big in the culture. If someone feels that you have been rude to them they might decide to shoot you.

There is some cross over with Uganada in people moving around. Early in 2018, one SS guy who was a security guard of sorts at a medical facility in Uganda murdered an Indian doctor because he thought that doc was rude to him.

They do not respect women much. Polygamy is main stream. Educated people who have come back to SS from Australia and taken senior government positions fall back into the traditional ways of Polygamy. The wife actually assists in finding the new wife for the husband!

Absolutely no information about hunting, firearms license etc.

It would be interesting as the Black kob is a big attraction. Plenty of Nile buffalo, hippo, leopard and even lion may be possible. I didn't know that LD Eland were found in such wet conditions.

SS is one of the least explored areas on earth in the last 300 years. Few roads, fewer maps.

Even the Amazon and Papua New Guinea have been explored more than SS.

I take my hat off to people working and living under such conditions trying to make a difference..

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
My brother was with MSF there in 2018 for a few months.

My sister in law and her husband are doctors doing a mission based project at Bor - been in Uganda for 5 years and now in SS.

They live in a modified shipping container. They just got a solar system installed (donated) so they can use a fan during the hot days.

Safety is a real issue as the different factions are armed with AK47 etc. Shoot outs are common. My brother was treating gun shot wounds on a daily basis. Any traveling is in convoys with armed military escorts.

The corruption levels are unbelievable. NGOs are just being milked with little local support.

A huge sugar project was cancelled because of lack of local support.

Some of the local pastoral tribes have a mind set issue with doing manual work for a wage. No clue about development projects etc.

Feudal vendetta is big in the culture. If someone feels that you have been rude to them they might decide to shoot you.

There is some cross over with Uganada in people moving around. Early in 2018, one SS guy who was a security guard of sorts at a medical facility in Uganda murdered an Indian doctor because he thought that doc was rude to him.

They do not respect women much. Polygamy is main stream. Educated people who have come back to SS from Australia and taken senior government positions fall back into the traditional ways of Polygamy. The wife actually assists in finding the new wife for the husband!

Absolutely no information about hunting, firearms license etc.

It would be interesting as the Black kob is a big attraction. Plenty of Nile buffalo, hippo, leopard and even lion may be possible. I didn't know that LD Eland were found in such wet conditions.

SS is one of the least explored areas on earth in the last 300 years. Few roads, fewer maps.

Even the Amazon and Papua New Guinea have been explored more than SS.

Exactly everything Naki says above...mirrors my knowledge and experience with South Sudan.

I have a friend who lives in Northern Uganda and bases out of Kitgum and Karenga. He does business in Sudan. My PH friend Nigel Theisen, who did most of the opening work in the Karamoja region of Uganda, went with this fellow into South Sudan several times on exploratory trips to potentially put in a hunting concession there.

The hunting could be good. The security conditions (including landlines) are of major concern. Damn near everyone has an AK and they get resupplied (with armaments) from donkey trains which run contraband through the mountains.

https://www.lifegate.com/peopl...h-sudan-bans-hunting



South Sudan has banned all forms of hunting

ENVIRONMENT Published on 03 APR 2018 by LORENZO BRENNA

LEGGI L'ARTICOLO IN ITALIANO
South Sudan has banned all forms of wildlife hunting, the National Conservation Agency stated. A progressive step for a country still facing civil war.

South Sudan is the youngest state in the world, it was formed in 2011 after it gained independence thanks to a referendum that followed a 20 year-long war. Nevertheless, there’s still conflict even after the separation from the northern part of the country, partly because of the difficulties presented by the coexistence of sixty different ethnic groups, and also because of the disputes for the treasures that are hidden underground, for example oil. In 2013 a new civil war broke out, and since then it has caused more than 50,000 victims and nearly 2 and a half million refugees.

The dangers of poaching

The conflict that has been devastating this nation also causes great damage to the wildlife. Many species are collateral victims of the war; animals are also being hunted to offset the lack of food among the population. The main threat to species at risk is the increase in poaching aimed at selling animal parts.

A global heritage that must be preserved

On the 6th of March the Ministry of Wildlife Conservation and Tourism of South Sudan banned all forms of wildlife hunting to contrast the phenomenon that threatens to compromise the extraordinary natural heritage of South Sudan, the place where the second largest migration of land mammals takes place and that hosts species of global importance like elephants, giraffes, lions and hippos. This measure also bans the trade in hunting trophies as well as wildlife products like animal skins, meat, fur and bird feathers.



Safer parks

According to Thomas Sebit, spokesperson for the Ministry of Wildlife Conservation and Tourism, the objective of this legislation is to eliminate poaching in all national parks within the country. Sebit claims that: “Our national parks are filled with armed people who kill animals randomly, both young and old, and bushmeat is sold freely in markets”.

The road to ecotourism

According to the World Travel and Tourism Council (WTTC), South Sudan is an excellent destination for ecotourism. In addition to large mammals like elephants, giraffes, lions, buffalos and hippos, the country is home to one of the largest humid regions in the world, inhabited by approximately 400 species of birds. Nevertheless, according to the WTTC, tourism generated only 1.8 per cent of the country’s GDP in 2013. “We invite our tourists to obey the law, animals are a resource that will help us strengthen our economy. We have to focus on protecting endangered species so that future generations may still benefit from their presence,” Sebit stated.

The state of South Sudan’s fauna

Last year the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS) published a report on the first aerial assessment of the impact of South Sudan’s current civil war on the country’s wildlife, financed by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and which analysed Boma, Badingilo, Nimule, Southern and Shambe national parks. What emerged from the study that was conducted between 2015 and 2016 was that the most iconic species have survived but have suffered a decrease in numbers. For example, the elephant population has decreased sharply in the last 50 years, only 730 specimens were located in the area analysed by the WCS, whilst only a few hundred giraffe individuals are left, putting them at risk of extinction locally.



Protecting wildlife to help the community

Even though their numbers have decreased, these animals are surviving the civil war and the new legislation could represent a crucial step forward for their conservation. President and CEO of the WCS Christiàn Samper said: “There is still hope for South Sudan’s wildlife, but there must be action taken to ensure the protection of South Sudan’s natural heritage which is vital for wildlife and communities alike. Healthy wildlife populations and well managed parks can improve livelihoods and security, and stabilise the region”.

Translated by ANDREA CUTOLO

https://www.animals24-7.org/20...by-sebastian-mwanza/

Link to another "no hunting" article.

I had a trip (not hunting) planned until friends who are used to working in some of the most hostile parts of the planet and had insight into conditions on the ground in SS convinced me that it really wasn’t a good idea. It’s lawless and completely unpredictable at the best of times.

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Originally posted by DLS:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It seems to me that unless you are filling a punch list for the Weatherby award or SCI inner circle jerk and needed a few weird plains game, why would you risk your life to shoot a rare or unusual antelope? I have no idea how a white eared kob differs from the kob I shot in Cameroon. And what the hell is a tiang??

I have to agree with Jerry on this one. With so many places to go on safari, unless someone is extremely experienced and chasing personal notoriety, I’m not sure why to go unless it gets quite a bit safer. Or, as Jerry also alluded to, when you don’t have much life left to lose.

That said, it’ll be interesting to follow and see if it becomes a destination again; and how the LDE and Bongo have fared. Africa is always fluid, as Uganda has recently shown.

Look at the possible adventure! Hunting a newly opened area, following in the footsteps of the old Africa hunters. It could be fun.

Mike,

You be more than a little "Cajun" crazy. I would expect nothing less from you.

Mark

Ok, Kathi, you just worked yourself out of an airline ticket to Juba....

Only if I could wrangle a diplomatic passport and take along a Marine rifle squad.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Only if I could wrangle a diplomatic passport and take along a Marine rifle squad.

A diplomatic passport has no significant meaning to an illiterate bunch of rag-tag rebels.

A Marine rifle squad would certainly produce the desired effect.

I'd go. Back.

Ross I think you would be fine especially once you are in the bush. A very good friend of mine is a PH in CAR and he is still guiding with no issues.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Only if I could wrangle a diplomatic passport and take along a Marine rifle squad.

A diplomatic passport has no significant meaning to an illiterate bunch of rag-tag rebels.

A Marine rifle squad would certainly produce the desired effect.

Diplomatic status confers immunity from prosecution. That can be very handy. But if I had to choose, I’d take the Marines!

No.

Yup...with the right operator.

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Diplomatic status confers immunity from prosecution.

Only in places and people who have had a minimal indoctrination on the Vienna Convention and matters related to Diplomatic Immunity would the value of a Diplomatic Passport be taken for its face value.

When/if confronted by a band of child soldiers tanked up on pot they would very likely use its pages for rolling fresh joints.

would be an obligatory mandate, once it opens

yes and yes to ''if it ever happens'' angola

trick is to ''get in there on an early trial'' hunt at the inception of the official opening up-- of the thing

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Originally posted by stradling:
would be an obligatory mandate, once it opens

yes and yes to ''if it ever happens'' angola

trick is to ''get in there on an early trial'' hunt at the inception of the official opening up-- of the thing

Trick is to let others try first and if they get decapitated then forfeit your deposit.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Diplomatic status confers immunity from prosecution.

Only in places and people who have had a minimal indoctrination on the Vienna Convention and matters related to Diplomatic Immunity would the value of a Diplomatic Passport be taken for its face value.

When/if confronted by a band of child soldiers tanked up on pot they would very likely use its pages for rolling fresh joints.

That's what the Marine rifle squad is for. The diplomatic passport is for when you are charged with war crimes afterwards.

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That's what the Marine rifle squad is for. The diplomatic passport is for when you are charged with war crimes afterwards.

Mike

I wonder how many armchair commandos here took Cam Grieg up on his offer for unguided foot Safaris in northern Cameroon. If you really wanted an old time African adventure, that was it- no PH, no Toyota, no daily laundry or cold drinks. And Boko Haram operating 40-50 miles away and moving around.

Today is certainly not the right day to go hunting in Sudan, North or South.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I wonder how many armchair commandos here took Cam Grieg up on his offer for unguided foot Safaris in northern Cameroon. If you really wanted an old time African adventure, that was it- no PH, no Toyota, no daily laundry or cold drinks. And Boko Haram operating 40-50 miles away and moving around.

Sounds like the real thing.

Who is Cam Crieg?.

Truth be told, if Cam was still around offering this, now that I have some experience with hunting in Cameroon, I’d love to try it.

Unfortunately he is dead now and no one has his connections to restart that style of operation again.

Hell no. I met some guys who did some “work” there. They had a PMC. I heard enough.