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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Man, can't you guys recognize a nice set of legs when you see em??? Geez!!!

I saw part two tonight. Really Aaron, you sight three inches high at 100 yards? I have always said that is a recipe for shooting high at ranges of 150 to 200 yards. Sure, the bullet might only be four inches high at that range, but you don't shoot one hole groups - half you bullets are above that and half below. But to your credit, you didn't edit it out.

Good show.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I saw part two tonight. Really Aaron, you sight three inches high at 100 yards? I have always said that is a recipe for shooting high at ranges of 150 to 200 yards. Sure, the bullet might only be four inches high at that range, but you don't shoot one hole groups - half you bullets are above that and half below. But to your credit, you didn't edit it out.

Good show.

I didn't sight the gun in 3 inches high. It was the outfitter's gun, and that's what he does with it - I just forgot to compensate on the first shot. He says shots are often 300 plus yards, so that's how he likes his gun? Who am I to change his gun?

Of course we left it the way it was, why would we edit it out?

I can totally see that now. I hate the 3 inches high thing for the very reason you illustrated - you have to hold low at 150-200. Most scopes that are duplex will be dead on at 300 if you use the top of the bottom post when the scope is cranked up.

I am sure Best of the West has edited out their misses - or they never miss at ranges from 500 to 1300 yards. What a bunch of hooey.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I can totally see that now. I hate the 3 inches high thing for the very reason you illustrated - you have to hold low at 150-200. Most scopes that are duplex will be dead on at 300 if you use the top of the bottom post when the scope is cranked up.

I am sure Best of the West has edited out their misses - or they never miss at ranges from 500 to 1300 yards. What a bunch of hooey.

Ya, it was just remembering to compensate - but like you, I personally would never sight in my gun 3" high.

Well, I don't think we plan to edit out any of that sort of thing - its just hunting. Sometimes one misses, that's just part of it. I don't like doing it, and don't do it often - but......

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I can totally see that now. I hate the 3 inches high thing for the very reason you illustrated - you have to hold low at 150-200. Most scopes that are duplex will be dead on at 300 if you use the top of the bottom post when the scope is cranked up.

I am sure Best of the West has edited out their misses - or they never miss at ranges from 500 to 1300 yards. What a bunch of hooey.

Ya, it was just remembering to compensate - but like you, I personally would never sight in my gun 3" high.

Well, I don't think we plan to edit out any of that sort of thing - its just hunting. Sometimes one misses, that's just part of it. I don't like doing it, and don't do it often - but......

Good approach Aaron, it is a shame we don't get your shows here in Europe.

K

The late gunwriter Bob Hagel promoted the 3" high at 100 yards sight-in. His reasoning was that he could hold dead center on any target from the muzzle out to 300+ yards or more, depending on the caliber used. I used to use this sighting myself, until I shot over the back of the biggest mule deer I have ever seen!

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Originally posted by Tim Ferrall:
The late gunwriter Bob Hagel promoted the 3" high at 100 yards sight-in. His reasoning was that he could hold dead center on any target from the muzzle out to 300+ yards or more, depending on the caliber used. I used to use this sighting myself, until I shot over the back of the biggest mule deer I have ever seen!

Ya, I don't think its a good idea. Especially in the mountains, when shooting up/down angles only exaggerates the problem.

People (and gun writers) forget bullets don't follow a perfect trajectory. Half will above your point of aim, half will be below. Half will be to the left, and half will be to the right. The size of the group is a function of the rifle's accuracy and your ability to hold steady. The problem with the 3 inch high theory is that you have only 2 inches of vital area (assuming a 10 inch target) for the top "half" of the group to strike, even at 100 yards. Between 150 and 200, the bullet path is even higher, leaving less room for error. And these ranges are where game is likely to have spotted you, leaving little time to break out the tripod with triple locking rifle holder.

Before laser rangefinders I used to sight in dead on at 400 when hunting for caribou, sheep, and antelope. I would put the crosshair on the bottom of the brisket and let her fly. Worked pretty well...if you could see the bottom of the brisket.