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I have a chance to snag a pre-64 (1957 I beleive) Model 70 in 300 H&H. only alteration is removal of the steel buttplate and recoil pad installed. It is stainless (kind of a flat finish almost like parkerized). I have never seen a pre-64 in stainless. I'm no gun expert. Did Winchester make pre-64's in stainless and would that make this one worth more? Ballpark range of it's value? Sorry I have no pictures and I'm pressed for time. I may buy it at lunch today. I thought it would make a nice Sister to my 375 H&H pre-64. Thanks Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | ||
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If it is stainless...it is NOT a 1957 model.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Oopsy!! My bad. I mis-typed. it's 1953 ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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nor a '53 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Want to tell me why Lane. I already admitted to not knowing much. When I google searched I found this. Winchester Model 70, 243 Target, 26 " Stainless Barrel, Mfr. in 1957. 99% Blue link I appreciate your help but the one word answer doesn't help me. Are you saying Winchester did not make stainless barrels in 1953 (or '57 for that matter)? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I am no expert either...but I believe the above is correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The barrel on that rifle mentioned above is a replacement. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Jim old buddy,pre 64 Model 70 was availiable in stainless,270 and 300 HH only.Current value in new condition is right around $2400. | |||
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You da man Bill, Thanks ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Well, I could be wrong, but here is what I think I know. Yes, Win. made some barrels of stainless, then they iron plated them as I understand it so the would blue. I have had them in 220 Swift, 264 Win Mag and a .243 Win heavy barrel. I don't know about .300 H&H as I never saw one, but heard they did so also. They end up with a rough finish similar to the Post-War actions. I never noticed them bringing any more money, but they might in today's market. Just don't know on that. | |||
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There you have it... ...I'll have to do some research.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Just went and looked at it during lunch and bought it. Interesting look to it. The crown and cone of the barrel have no "blue" plating so you can see the stainless. The barreled action looked in great shape. The stock had some dings and the replaced recoil pad. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Can you post a pic of it? I have 3 M 70 .300 H&H's...all older than 53 though...and I am curious. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Nice buy. Congratulations. As I understand it, pre-64 M70 rifles chambered in .300 H&H Magnum are not all that common. If this rifle has an original stainless steel barrel then it is really something out of the ordinary. +1 on the photos, please. | |||
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Yes photos would be much appreciated. Great buy  | |||
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I'm gonna pick it up after work. I'll try and put some pictures up later. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Are you sure you're not going to steal it after work?   | |||
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See that flashing little tab up top that says PM? click it. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Do you have a value for an original pre-64 chambered in 7x57 Mauser? I believe that is the rarest M70 of all (along with .250/3000 Savage?) | |||
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I don't know I think the 7.65 Mauser, 35 Rem. and 25-35 are more rare. There were even about 4 9mm Mausers I believe. Rarest of all the Marine Corps sniper rifle. | |||
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Rarity of pre '64 M-70's .300 Savage: 362 .35 Remington: 404 .458Win Mag: 1226 7mm: 1470 .358Win: 2000 .250/3000: 2750 .300Win Mag: 4916 .338Win Mag: 9525 .375H&H: 14005 .257 Roberts: 14641 .220 Swift: 19934 .22 Hornet: 20306 .264 Win Mag: 24114 .300H&H: 37186 .308 Win: 41190 .243 Win: 43618 .270 WCF: 122323 .30-06: 208218 Total: 581471 Not counting special orders. Per Roger Rule's book: THE RIFLEMAN'S RIFLE. | |||
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I am impressed and you chaps know your stuff. Ask a PH here what gun he owns and he will tell you a .458 Ask him what make it is and he will tell you Winchester Magnum. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Thanks for posting that. I wonder how many of the 37168 had a stainless barrel? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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There were factory stainless barrels listed for the Swift, .264 and .243. IMO, The most common was the Swift. During the 30 odd years I collected/bought/sold M-70's, I had at one time or other, a .270WCF and a .300H&H which had stainless barrels. I would presume these calibers (and others) were special order from Winchester. As far as the number of .300H&H stainless barrels...??? For what it's worth, at a local gun show last week, a 300H&H SOLD for $1300. The rifle was in good condition, and all original. About 95% overall, I'd say. | |||
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Probably a bit easier to buy, trade, and sell guns here Andrew. For some the function of the gun may be less important than how many were made and the value. My .375 I took to Africa was not shot since the early 70's before I was given the piece. It was not bedded, the magazine door popped open on every shot, and the open sights were practically useless. A few hundred dollars later it was a reliable tack driver that served me well in Africa, looked the part, and came home in almost the same condition it left the States in. I like the looks of this 300 H&H I just bought but I'll probably screw it up by actually shooting it. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I have 3 .300 H&H's all with plain steel barrels. All about 95%. I have paid from $900.00 - $1200.00 for them.
I have one .458 WM Super Grade that was customized in the Winchester Custom Shop at time of purchase. It cost ~$5K!!! I would not part with it. It will shoot 1-hole 100 yd benchrest 3-shot groups with my hand-loads and NF FPS bullets. It WAS my belief...that all stainless barreled pre-64 M 70's came out in the early 60's??? And I thought they were made esp. for the .264 Win Mag??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's a steal in today's market! | |||
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I have a Model 70 in .300 H&H with a barrel marking of "300 Magnum." It's my understanding that when the Model 70 first came out (1936) there was only one "magnum" in .30 caliber, the .300 H&H Magnum (nee Super .30). Accordingly, there was no need to differentiate as there was only one "300 Magnum," the H&H. Then in 1944 Roy Weatherby introduced his .300 Magnum followed in 1963 by Winchester's own .300 Win. Mag. Somewhere in there (I think right after the war) Winchester stopped using .300 Magnum and went to more specific nomenclature, like .300 H&H. As for its effectiveness in Africa, it's fantastic. The ballistics of all these .30 caliber magnums are the same, roughly speaking, of launching a 180 gr. at around 3,000 fps. I love the .300 H&H because of its nostalgia. The absurdly long case that makes it look like it was plucked from the cartridge loops on Percival's bush jacket. In short, buy that Model 70. | |||
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Bought her yesterday. Thanks!! ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I'm waiting to fondle your new lady Jim! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Mate in answer to the first part of your original question" what about a 300 H&H for africa" get one!!! I had one and the biggest mistake i did was to sell it. I shot the critters from Eland down to duiker and it was great. Would love to have smoked a leopard with it but no luck. If you were to complement it with a 404 Jeffery for the bigger critter then you would have a great pair,in my mind anyway other may/will have other thoughts.  | |||
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Post some pics of your .300 H&H if you can. I have a lot of interest in this cartridge and would love to see a picture of your rifle. | |||
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A wonderful calibre and no strange coincidence its also among a favorite sniper rifle round, fast and straight. | |||
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I can assure you, you will not be disappointed in the .300 H&H or the rifle you bought. In over 50 years of use in Africa and North America, it has never disappointed me. I tend to like the 220 grains for the heavier stuff, 180 Noslers for the midweights and have used the 150s on sheep and antelope. Just enjoy it and look forward to success. I've used a lot of calibers, but keep going back to the ol' Pre-War .300 H&H! | |||
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Brought it home the same day I brought home the .416 Rigby. We need to go test drive these. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Agreed! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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