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Originally posted by Saeed:
Instead of making membership mandatory for the show, they can offer it at a discount, to encourage more people top both attend and become members.

So non members can still attend the show, and those who wish to become members can do so at a discout.

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Originally posted by Scott Powell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Instead of making membership mandatory for the show, they can offer it at a discount, to encourage more people top both attend and become members.

So non members can still attend the show, and those who wish to become members can do so at a discout.

Something I would love to see!!! and maybe, just maybe we may see that happen eventually.. Discounted and special promo Membership drives have been used many times over the years. Actually the confirmed problem is not signing up new members - it is retaining them. Retention has been the biggest challenge for SCI for many years - for many, many reasons..

Just a simple auto-renewal would be a HUGE advantage but as much as we beg and push, it still doesn't seem to happen.. It took years just to get a basic online membership sign up and renewal and it still is klunky at best..

I would be interested to see what percentage just forget or don't bother to take the time to renew but would allow auto-renewal just out of simplicity and a desire to contribute..

I see incremental improvement but I hope Laird can fast-track the more crucial issues.

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Originally posted by Scott Powell:
That is new for this year Larry - and a great idea...

Everyone comments on the ticket costs and while I would like to see them lowered myself to help bring in more first timers. I don't feel they are all that out of line considering the quality of the show. Granted, DSC is a good bit cheaper though I could not find a ticket price online for the 2020 show, and that is their prerogative but I don't think most of the comments are truly about the cost - its SCI haters and bashers that refuse to think that maybe things can be improved or that SCI ever does any good ....

A one day pass can be bought for as low as $105.00 to attend a quality event. The Great Eastern show in Harrisburg is $12.00 a day to be herded thru connecting barns like cats, tripping over all the T-shirt and junk dealers, there are no daily auctions and it is NOT a fundraiser. To me the added cost is worth it. I do not consider the membership fee as applicable because it is a MEMBERS ONLY show..
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Originally posted by larryshores:
In the final analysis, the SCI convention is a fund raiser. Try to keep that in mind..

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Why not just make daily admission fee reasonable and membership not mandatory? Oh, that’s right- DSC already does that! In a place that is easier to get to and doesn’t jump around.....

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Originally posted by Tim Ferrall:
I have attended every SCI Convention since 1993. During that time, the event has always been in the State of Nevada, either Reno or Las Vegas. That does not meet my definition of "jump around." Both attendees and vendors complained about Reno's inaccessibility, lack of night life, weather, and,(originally), convention space. When the Convention has been held in Las Vegas, the attendees and vendors complained about the costs, the union shakedowns, and the distance from the parking areas to the convention. One year, SCI offered a greatly reduced price and eliminated the membership requirement for local residents to attend. That did not set well with most attendees who had to pay a lot more to gain admission, so the policy was changed. Last year, the Nevada Legislature passed severe restrictions on possession and sale of African animal parts. In 2019, animal rights fanatics,(ARFs), gained admission, and filed complaints about SCI vendors violating the new law. The ARFs also took pictures, posted lies on their blogs, and probably hacked into some vendors computers. The Nevada AG's office dismissed the complaints on grounds that the law was new, and vendors could not possibly have known about it in time to comply. Nevada is no longer a desirable place to hold a hunting convention, so moving it to another venue is certainly warranted. I do agree that the requirements for vendor donations should be modified, but the African donated hunts I have looked at usually provide a limited list of days available, years available, and included animals, with others available for additional cost, so the donated hunts are not a total loss for vendors.
I think that the four-day pass with free spousal pass is one hell of a deal, and I bought it, although it is unlikely that I will attend all four days. The SCI Show is more than worth the cost to see safari friends and catch up-others may have a different opinion. The bottom line is that we all have options. We can accept it for what it is, work from the inside to change it, or bitch about it. Bad-mouthing SCI is a fools errand. It does no good, and it divides us as hunters.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
SCI members, and board members deserve each other. They have turned that organization into a laughing stock.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
SCI members, and board members deserve each other. They have turned that organization into a laughing stock.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
SCI members, and board members deserve each other. They have turned that organization into a laughing stock.

Many years ago I was in the US.

I joined the ATA, NRA and SCI as a Life Mermber.

There is no way in hell I would have joined SCI if I had known what I know now about them.

"First For Hunters"

What an utter lie!

FIRST FOR THE SELF GLORIFYING NON HUNTER IDIOTS! is more like it.

And if anyone is hoping that SCI is ever going to change, keep on dreaming.

It is like listening to an endless tape.

"Changes are coming. Changes are coming. Changes are coming.

Endlessly, and nothing changes!

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Originally posted by jorge:
Saeed, what are your thoughts on the Dallas Safari Club?

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I am glad DSC broke off the idiots running SCI.

I meat a lot of the African PHs and outfitters going to SCI, and without a single exception, all never stop complaining about SCI nickel and diming them.

From the management to all the stupid unions who rule everything.

On the other hand, non seem to complain about DSC.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
SCI members, and board members deserve each other. They have turned that organization into a laughing stock.

WOW! Do you really believe that ALL SCI members have helped create the problem?

While I agree that there is a segment of the membership that have helped create the issues within SCI, it isn’t all the members. Saeed is a member. What did he do ? The answer is clearly not a damn thing.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Tim Ferrall:
I have attended every SCI Convention since 1993. During that time, the event has always been in the State of Nevada, either Reno or Las Vegas. That does not meet my definition of "jump around." Both attendees and vendors complained about Reno's inaccessibility, lack of night life, weather, and,(originally), convention space. When the Convention has been held in Las Vegas, the attendees and vendors complained about the costs, the union shakedowns, and the distance from the parking areas to the convention. One year, SCI offered a greatly reduced price and eliminated the membership requirement for local residents to attend. That did not set well with most attendees who had to pay a lot more to gain admission, so the policy was changed. Last year, the Nevada Legislature passed severe restrictions on possession and sale of African animal parts. In 2019, animal rights fanatics,(ARFs), gained admission, and filed complaints about SCI vendors violating the new law. The ARFs also took pictures, posted lies on their blogs, and probably hacked into some vendors computers. The Nevada AG's office dismissed the complaints on grounds that the law was new, and vendors could not possibly have known about it in time to comply. Nevada is no longer a desirable place to hold a hunting convention, so moving it to another venue is certainly warranted. I do agree that the requirements for vendor donations should be modified, but the African donated hunts I have looked at usually provide a limited list of days available, years available, and included animals, with others available for additional cost, so the donated hunts are not a total loss for vendors.
I think that the four-day pass with free spousal pass is one hell of a deal, and I bought it, although it is unlikely that I will attend all four days. The SCI Show is more than worth the cost to see safari friends and catch up-others may have a different opinion. The bottom line is that we all have options. We can accept it for what it is, work from the inside to change it, or bitch about it. Bad-mouthing SCI is a fools errand. It does no good, and it divides us as hunters.

SCI are masters at dividing hunters!

They have turned hunting into a competition !

The most ridiculous stupid thing ever done to hunting!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
In the final analysis, the SCI convention is a fund raiser. Try to keep that in mind..

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Originally posted by Wesheltonj:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
In the final analysis, the SCI convention is a fund raiser. Try to keep that in mind..

So is DSC.

If DSC had a Lobbying/Legal office in DC to file lots of lawsuits against USFWS, I would drop SCI in a heartbeat, until then member of both.

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Originally posted by John Pomazi:
So as a fairly new member of SCI, I don't know all the history. Have been going to the show since 2012 and really enjoy it. Having only the Portland International Expo. show to compare against it isn't even in the same ball park. I like the fact you can actually walk down the isles and have some room. I like that it is high end. Hopefully that doesn't make me a snob. I've heard the complaints from exhibitors being forced to auction something off but as far as the other complaints I'd really like to hear what irritates people. The record book and lifetime achievement awards for example. And as a side note as hunters we say the glory goes to the animal I was just fortunate to take it. Do you ever see the record books with just the animal statistics and no hunter name if as a group we really believe that to be true? Thanks for your opinions. Just trying to get a grasp on what I've actually signed up for!

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Wesheltonj:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
In the final analysis, the SCI convention is a fund raiser. Try to keep that in mind..

So is DSC.

If DSC had a Lobbying/Legal office in DC to file lots of lawsuits against USFWS, I would drop SCI in a heartbeat, until then member of both.

Those aren’t the only lawsuits filed.

While they piss me off routinely, I am supporting both.

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Originally posted by Milo:
Well I just tried to buy my convention tickets and the website wouldn't let me register my spouse without buying her a membership. Never had to do that before, and their FAQs say that spouses are considered members for the convention. Nice, I guess they like fielding phone calls.

I went to DSC last year and enjoyed it more than previous SCI conventions. Figured I would try Reno SCI this year since the dates work better for me, but my optimism is fading.