Read my lips: DID I SAY SPEED HAS NO EFFECT ?
or am I saying [b] VELOCITY ALONE IS NOT WHAT IT IS MADE OUT TO BE !

Yes you did say exactly that, “The wound tracts would look excatly the same and the killing ability would be exactlty the same.â€

Another quote by ALF, “reread my posts, I did not infer at any time that Velocity has nothing to do with wounding capacity !â€

I know my ex has launched some very sharp nasty words at me out of that foul mouth over bore clap trap she has,maybe 100,000fps, and no they did not penetrate,but the shock wave would have killed me if I hadnt ducked for cover.
depending on the manitude of energy, soldiers have been killed in war with no actual penetration by small projectile. the wind is a projectile(kinetic energy transfer medium) if you can transfer sufficient energy through it,ie; shock waves in close proximity to artillery shells exploding.Alot of things die without a condensed energy particle actually penetrating them. Its is only the sufficient transfer of the appropriate intensity and volume of energy to cause sufficient trauma,that is required.
On the other hand astronauts today are concerned about the dangers of particles the size of a grain of sand completely penetrating their 22 layer siuts and physical bodies because the particle is traveling at such a high velocity.If it goes through his heart,he is dead!
But all this is venturing outside the realm of the thread. I put it in just to give perspective.

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Alf, please read my post again,and show us where I stated from a "passing" artillery projectile?

If you had a vest that stopped a 30/06 pill at chestcentre pointblank,but caused extensive bruizing but a person survives,and that same vest is capable of stopping a 50BMG pill penetrating it, I am convinced that a person would have amuch higher chance of dying from that impact,even though the 50BMG has not penetrated the vest or the person. dont you? and why would that be? Because of the higher and more intense transfer of energy causing more trauma, right?
Also,if we could get a30cal 180gn size pill to weigh 1000kg,all one would have to do is put it on someone,and it would go straight through.and if that 100okg was in the shape of a beer can it would do more damage because it can transfer more energy into the body for the body to try and resist it,causing more trauma.Without resistance there is no damage.the greater the resistance the greater the effect.If you can get a tougher bullet to expand more with a higher velocity, thus transfering more energy/trauma to the target,I cannot see it not contributing to a more dramatic killing effect.
Any form of wound channel requires some form of energy transfer,and opposing resistance to create it ,thus resulting in trauma.Some are more dramatic(gun),some less(spear pushed slowlythrough at pointblank)
Its the bodies static resistance to the impact that contributes to the damage,there is alimit to what it can accept,it cannot cope with such a violent influx,it may be incapable of distributing/dissipating it to asafe level.That is why bullets are desiged to expand,so as to create more resistance,and more rapid and balanced distribution of its momentum and energy. Get that balance right and you will get sufficient penetration and sufficient expansion to cause maximum debilitating trauma.

There's a famous quote that applies here: "There is a very thin line between the sublime and the ridiculous", and I think some here went over said line in a big way. I think you all need to start a thread labeled "For forty pound heads only that is so bogged down in menutia that it bears no relevance to hunting." jeez. jorge

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some people are educated beyond their mental capacity to comprehend

I hate to bring it up, but, 10,000 fps is child's play compared with objects the size of Earth, spinning at 24,000 miles an hour. In fact, aren't we ALL moving something like 67,000 miles an hour around the sun?

GS

PS or, in other words, compare about 2 miles a second, bullet speed above, to 30 km/sec, or 18.2 miles per/sec. NOW what do you think the result would be of that grain of sand hitting you?

Also, for perspective, comets have been known to move at 500,000 mph= 733,500 fps.
Now, once again, is NASA way off being worried about a grain of sand, at 733,500 fps?

Just for fun, I ran a ONE grain particle, at that velocity, and the foot pounds of energy =1,194,968

Think that might work on a cape buffalo?

So, if we use a 500 grain bullet, we get 597,483,842 ft lbs of energy. That MIGHT suffice to really prove the assertion, that velocity kills.



Now, does anyone want to make fun of Armeggedon, where the projectile is the size of texas, moving at 25,000 mph?

I know that most of you guys are joking about all of this but I doubt that a particle the size of a grain of sand launched at 20Km/s or even 50 Km/s would kill a cape buffalo. It would probably make a very small hole and at such speeds the heat of the particle would probably cauterize any wound!!!

Just my opinion... and I doubt NASA will try their hyper velocity gun on African animals any time soon...

Enigma

And what would happen if a photo struck you at the speed of light?