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Originally posted by Opus1:

Steve you seem all amped up about Ebola and I suppose that's not too surprising. Folks were all hysterical over AIDS before the facts sunk in and lay people became educated about the real exposure risks - don't share needles with an infected individual and avoid sexual contact with them. Today that's like a big "well duhhh".

If you're really so concerned about "catching" Ebola, I would avoid going on a sex holiday to equatorial Africa any time soon and avoid eating any dead monkeys or bats that you might run across in the African bush.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Opus,

I think your numbers don't relate. The flu, how many get the flu annually? 25-30 million perhaps?

With a death rate of 36K, I'll take that bet any time. Ebola, 25 million get it, 10-15 million will parrish. The flu doesn't usually kill healthy Americans.

Your likelihood of dying in a plane crash is also very low, but the likelihood of
surviving one is almost zero.

Jerry,
You, a man of huge international hunting experience, not many here on AR can compare to. Why do you feel the constant need to carry on and continually look for arguments and fights?

I refuse to engage you in this, I simply gave my opinion. You feel the need to push it to the rediculous extreme.

You must be a very insecure man. You need constant approval from your peers. This is meant to be entertainment, you fuck it all up. You seem to love the angst and the division. Civility is gone.

You will wait for a subject, bound to divide, you then rush to the downwind side to pile on, assuring yourself the winning side of whatever.

Take ISS for example, you and Ted have bludgeoned him to death. I have gone back and read some old stuff, all the way back to the "Elk" thread, Rich never made those claims. Give it a rest. This isn't for points and it isn't a popularity contest. Rich says and does some outlandish things. But you, you just wait...set a trap...wait for your bench to show up and pounch. You sir are a Hayena, a coward on your own.

AR doesn't allow posting of PM's yet you do it with impunity. Why?

AR has changed and not for the better. I realize many here won't understand much of this, but you do.


Good evening,

Steve

Squirrelnut - Ummmm no where in any of my posts did I even suggest that the Ebola virus wasn't contagious. So not sure where all that ridiculous noise is coming from; it's certainly not part of any "intelligent" discussion.

In the last stages of the infection, patients are busy coughing up blood and bleeding from every orifice. The virus is transmitted via contact with body fluids and blood. So to avoid becoming infected, heath care workers are covering up. Unfortunately, the "safety equipment" (PPE) that you are seeing is very rudimentary. An N95 mask (aka standard surgical mask) does not begin to capture virons, but can capture bioaerosols as long as they are large droplets over a micron in size. I sure wouldn't want to depend on one to protect me.

Furthermore, the PPE procedures that are being employed in the field are certainly nothing like the cross contamination procedures that are in place at a level 2 or level 3 lab facility that works with infectious pathogens. Therefore, workers in Africa are at risk of infection. This can be from poor cross contamination procedures, poor PPE and/or poor lifestyle choices.

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Originally posted by Opus1:

Squirrelnut - Ummmm no where in any of my posts did I even suggest that the Ebola virus wasn't contagious. So not sure where all that ridiculous noise is coming from; it's certainly not part of any "intelligent" discussion.

In the last stages of the infection, patients are busy coughing up blood and bleeding from every orifice. The virus is transmitted via contact with body fluids and blood. So to avoid becoming infected, heath care workers are covering up. Unfortunately, the "safety equipment" (PPE) that you are seeing is very rudimentary. An N95 mask (aka standard surgical mask) does not begin to capture virons, but can capture bioaerosols as long as they are large droplets over a micron in size. I sure wouldn't want to depend on one to protect me.

Furthermore, the PPE procedures that are being employed in the field are certainly nothing like the cross contamination procedures that are in place at a level 2 or level 3 lab facility that works with infectious pathogens. Therefore, workers in Africa are at risk of infection. This can be from poor cross contamination procedures, poor PPE and/or poor lifestyle choices.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Opus,

I think your numbers don't relate. The flu, how many get the flu annually? 25-30 million perhaps?

With a death rate of 36K, I'll take that bet any time. Ebola, 25 million get it, 10-15 million will parrish. The flu doesn't usually kill healthy Americans.

Your likelihood of dying in a plane crash is also very low, but the likelihood of
surviving one is almost zero.

Jerry,
You, a man of huge international hunting experience, not many here on AR can compare to. Why do you feel the constant need to carry on and continually look for arguments and fights?

I refuse to engage you in this, I simply gave my opinion. You feel the need to push it to the rediculous extreme.

You must be a very insecure man. You need constant approval from your peers. This is meant to be entertainment, you fuck it all up. You seem to love the angst and the division. Civility is gone.

You will wait for a subject, bound to divide, you then rush to the downwind side to pile on, assuring yourself the winning side of whatever.

Take ISS for example, you and Ted have bludgeoned him to death. I have gone back and read some old stuff, all the way back to the "Elk" thread, Rich never made those claims. Give it a rest. This isn't for points and it isn't a popularity contest. Rich says and does some outlandish things. But you, you just wait...set a trap...wait for your bench to show up and pounch. You sir are a Hayena, a coward on your own.

AR doesn't allow posting of PM's yet you do it with impunity. Why?

AR has changed and not for the better. I realize many here won't understand much of this, but you do.


Good evening,

Steve

you wonder why Ted and I bludgeoned him? did he make his offensive remarks directed at your wife? did he threatened you? i trapped him? i guess i forced him to send the last round of PM's, also. some people here really don't seem to grasp the ( potential) situation. and if he sends me another threatening email, i guarantee you will see it here, too! as far as this whole Ebola scare, i think it is just overblown and nothing to worry about personally as i am not going to the 3 outbreak countries. although, being a cowardly hyena, if i was to go there i would try and be picky about what i ate....lighten up.

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Originally posted by SquirrelNut:
We're all different than our internet personas

SquirrelNut - Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be an unmerciful bitch at times.

But if you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further than Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. It will make Swine flu (H1N1) look like a bad hangover. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

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Originally posted by Opus1:

SquirrelNut - Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be an unmerciful bitch at times.

But if you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further that Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by SquirrelNut:
We're all different than our internet personas

Not everyone!

Jim

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Originally posted by Opus1:

Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be a bitch at times.

If you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further that Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Opus1:

Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be a bitch at times.

If you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further that Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

I followed that closely on CIDRAP. One little drift or mutation would be all it takes.

The great flu pandemic of 1918 occurred without the ease of travel and potential spread we have now. A couple of decades ago whenever I would meet an elder patient who was potentially old enough to remember the time the stories were quite alarming.

One old gent told me of his Father coming hone from work coughing and saying goodnight through the bedroom door. The next morning his Mother took he and his Brother to an uncle farm far away from Brooklyn where they were living. His Father was dead a day later.

His most vivid memory was that people would have "viewings" in their homes allowing family time to travel and pay respects. He said the custom in that part of New York was to have a black wreath on the door to the apartment or house so relatives could more easily find the proper location. That year it was worthless because practically every door had a wreath on it.

Up here in Alaska entire villages were wiped out except for the very young and very old. Unlike the standard flu that preys on the weak and elderly from a mortality standpoint the great Pandemic flu killed the healthy very quickly due to the immune response and cytokine storm. Basically death by drowning in your own fluid filled lungs.

Simply a matter of time before another perfect storm occurs.

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Originally posted by SquirrelNut:

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Originally posted by Opus1:

SquirrelNut - Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be an unmerciful bitch at times.

But if you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further that Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

Appreciate the response, I really do, but you have to admit ebola landing on our shores can't be good. I have zero confidence in our current leadership having the skillset to contain these threats and protect us.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Your likelihood of dying in a plane crash is also very low, but the likelihood of
surviving one is almost zero.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by SquirrelNut:

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Originally posted by Opus1:

SquirrelNut - Actually you can blame/thank Mother Nature. She can be an unmerciful bitch at times.

But if you want to see a terrifying pandemic, look no further that Avian flu (H5N1). If it should become a littler better at being transmitted via airborne pathways, we could see millions of body bags stacking up. That one is keeping epidemiologists up at night.

Appreciate the response, I really do, but you have to admit ebola landing on our shores can't be good. I have zero confidence in our current leadership having the skillset to contain these threats and protect us.

If you think that will be a priority of this or any Government then you will have a huge problem while you are waiting for the help.

Do you have a disaster kit set up? Mother Nature has many a surprise. It's best to be prepared.

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Originally posted by Cazador humilde:
This whole rigmarole reminds me of a guy when I first got on here. Does anyone remember his name? He'd always post about how unsafe Zim was; how if you go, you're gonna die. Over and over and over. Whatever happened to that guy?

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Originally posted by cable68:
A joke I saw on Facebook, those in Dallas scared of Ebola should head to Cowboys Stadium because no one ever catches anything there.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Ebola Update

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Originally posted by gunny:
Keep all this in mind when your SAA flight refuels in Dakar and 30 people board the plane for a ten hour get together on the way to Dulles!

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Originally posted by gunny:
Keep all this in mind when your SAA flight refuels in Dakar and 30 people board the plane for a ten hour get together on the way to Dulles!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
i am still floored that people won't go to Dallas, now or the near future.....

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Hey, wait a minute - they walk the plane spraying bug killer on the passengers!!I feel safe already.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I'm not alarmed by any of this and will continue with my hunting plans. That said, I do have a question for those who are knowledgeable.

Global Rescue warns about contact with animals and I note that they recently put down a dog belonging to a nurse. What are the facts regarding infection of animals and cross-species transmission?

I'm not going to be eating, or even killing any, primates. But was curious about the usual game species.

Thanks.