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While talking to my outfitter about my upcoming plainsgame hunt in the Limpopo Province (in 3 weeks), he tells me he has just added some sable to his ranch. Tells me they are all about 36 inches in length. One is (what I will call typical) in that it has good mass and nice tips. The other one is a really OLD, OLD, OLD guy with about the same mass but has worn off his tips. Although he has told me the price of each, I was wondering if the members here could tell me what I should expect to pay for this level of animal? I did not have Sable on my wish list for this trip - mainly b/c I never dreamed I could afford one - and I am contemplating the opportunity he has presented. (If I knew how to post pictures on this forum, I could post pics of both. If someone will PM me, maybe I can send the pics to you and you could add them??) Thanks!! | ||
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Find a better quality animal and hunt it fair chase. | |||
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He has admitted this is put and take shooting trip, IMO from what you have shared here. If that is OK with you, and the fact that a 36" sable is not considered a "typical good" Sable trophy, but because of your circumstance, its your only chance at a Sable, it may be what is open to you. A really old Sable bull that I had worked hard for, who was a 36" trophy would not disappoint me. Having said that, a put and take animal is not my personal idea of a hard earned trophy. Just my opinion. | |||
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Welcome to AR. As long as you understand the dynamics of the hunt you are going to participate in, then it is worth whatever you are willing to pay for it. One of those dynamics is that this is a put and take Sable. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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It is my understanding that most of the animals in that area are bought and placed on the concession in order to be hunted. Is that not the case? Am I missing something? Perhaps impala are so plentiful they don't have to be purchased. | |||
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Zambia's Kafue region has really nice sable. If I were you, I'd save sable for another trip to that area. Just my opinion, of course. Norman Solberg International lawyer back in the US after 25 years and, having met a few of the bad guys and governments here and around the world, now focusing on private trusts that protect wealth from them. NRA Life Member for 50 years, NRA Endowment Member from 2014, NRA Patron from 2016. | |||
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I don't think you are missing anything. Its just that some (not all) of us try and hunt natural breeding wild populations in a sustainable manner. If you know that it is a put and take operation, in other words the operator is not telling you that he has a native breeding herd and you are hunting "wild" Sable, you are fine there. As far as a 36" Sable goes, if it is mature, in the wild, its a reasonable trophy if you worked for him. If he's in a 10,000 HA high fence hunting area, and has been living there on his own, without human habituation, for a long time, its probably a challenging enough hunt to be proud of it, but not some's bag of tea. Also, the "traditional" common sable is around 40"; so if you are being charged a premium price, its probably not that great of a deal. Nothing illegal, just not what some call true fair chase hunting. There is a crowd around here who are really upset about the high fenced hunting operations, especially cats, and will jump all over people who do it, which probably would explain the reactions of some here. As I said, if you know that this is the case, and it is not being misrepresented, so far, so good, and enjoy your trip! | |||
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What a load of crap Do people honestly believe that all of the game in South Africa are hand reared and then moved around for foreign clients to hunt. That is absurd. The operators who do this are easy to spot. Just ask how big their land is and how many 55" Kudu they have shot that year. When every one of their back to back hunters takes a 55" Kudu only a fool thinks there is nothing wrong. There are many great people in SA who run honest operations. Dont let the commercially oriented ministrations of certain outfitters here on AR con you into thinking that anyone other than he is going to be Put 'n Take. | |||
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Welcome to the AR forum sir: Getting right to the point, do not shoot a 36-inch sable. You become more of a hunter when you know when NOT to shoot. Based on the animal you described, of which I'm guessing fetches a trophy fee from $8500-$10,000, it's not worth it. | |||
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Do you think maybe someone can answer the original question? What would you expect to pay for a 36 inch sable?? | |||
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$7,500.00 Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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Thank you Charl!! Anyone else have any thoughts? | |||
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Why not go for a mature animal? Post the photos of them please. ~Ann   | |||
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Expect to pay as much as for an RSA buffalo -- way more than somewhere else (trophy fee-wise) but at the bottom line maybe the same overall. If you compare to Tanzania/wherever else and being required to book a longer hunt yoiu might justify that you are saving time... _______________________ | |||
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Welcome to AR As others have said I wouldn't pay those kind of figures for a 36" ranch sable. You could probably have a complete free range PG hunt including a better quality sable in Zim for a similar price. | |||
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What is thedifference between put-and-take animals and ones that have beed bred on that farm? Isn't it still a farm hunt with a fence around it? | |||
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Ann, thanks for posting those for me. The picture on the top is the OLD sable with worn tips and the one below has better tips. The pictures are from the breeder before they were sold. Both sable were purchased and are now roaming on the outfitter's ranch of 5,000 acres - or maybe that's hectors?? so within the restrictions of a high fenced area, it will be somewhat fair chase. I do not shoot from the truck. What I am trying to determine from the members of this forum is what would be a good price on a hunt for a sable in this class. I am not going to have the opportunity to go to another country on a different hunt for a better animal. i have saved for about 2 years for this hunt. I do not go to Africa every year - can't afford it. The question here is whether this animal is a good animal or not and what would be a good price for him? Thanks!! | |||
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I see a lot of Sable trophy fees in the $6500 to $7000 range. These are usually in Zimbabwe or Mozambique. I think Zambia is higher. | |||
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A sable in the 36 size will go on 45000-55000 Rand...... | |||
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In Limpopo, at a good ranch of the size you indicate...the better younger bull will go go $11-12K, the older broomed bull probably $9-10K. Most of the outfits have released animals early in the season(Jan-Mar) or may have their own resident breeding stock. Bob DRSS DSC SCI NRA & ISRA | |||
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mstewart44, I think you might want to consider that if you don't shoot the sable in question you'll have enough money left over for a substantial start on another safari. I sell hunts in RSA and there is some great hunting there for a number of species. Having said that I would never recommend a client shoot a sable in RSA. The sable are incredibley expensive there with trophy fees 2-3 times what they are anywhere else they occur and the ones I've seen in RSA are tame as cattle. I think if you shoot your sable on this hunt you won't feel good about it later on. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark's hit the nail on the head in that the kind of prices you are looking at as a trophy fee could get you back to Africa next year or the year after.... Of course It is always the case that it is your safari and you should conduct it how it is that makes you happy. The prices we are seeing for Sable over the last few years have been ridiculous. All you have to do is take a look at what the breeding males are making at auction to get a handle on the reason why. Rgds, Kiri | |||
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Well, at this point I guess I have enough input to feel like the $5,000 trophy fee is a pretty good deal. There are some other factors in play here that I did not initially disclose: we are getting a heck of a deal on the daily rate and some credits on the total trophy fees up front so when trying to compare this offer to a sable in another country - with a higher daily rate and lower trophy fee - it is not an apples and apples comparrison. The original question was geared toward "what should I expect to pay for a 36" sable?" Based on the responses, I am confident that this is a pretty good deal. The question was not about farm raised or high fenced vs free range although I repect everyone's opinion. While I wish I could go to a different country every year and hunt Africa, my pockets just don't reach that deep and I do not mind if the animal was farm raised and released a few months before I get there. I have developed a good rapport with the outfitter but I also wanted to make sure I am getting a good deal. Based on the replies to this thread, I believe I am. Thanks again to all who posted. If you want to chime in, please feel free. Good hunting to all! | |||
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Excluding Tanzania, where you can take a Sable for trophy fee only on a 21 day license, and possibly some areas of Zambia or Botswana where you can do the same, a Sable hunt (either as the primary hunt, or adding to a buffalo or leopard hunt) costs ~$10k anywhere in Southern Africa. In the real premium areas of western Zambia, that goes up about 50%. Use enough gun... Shoot 'till it's dead, especially if it bites. | |||
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At the price you cited plus the other "considerations" you have noted...the deal looks too good..?? Caution..... Bob DRSS DSC SCI NRA & ISRA | |||
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No cautions! Operator and offer are all legit. The offer for daily rate and trophy credit was made a while back. My buddy went last year but I couldn't make it. Outfitter extended the offer until I could come this year. Sable conversation came just recently and was unexpected. | |||
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By the way, my friend had a great time and said it was the best hunt he has ever taken and he's been to RSA 3 times. | |||
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I hunted RSA two years ago. The animals there are 99% on privately owned game ranches. I am going again in 31 days to the same general area you are. The PH I hunted with was here to visit 4 weeks ago. He told me then, that he had access to a ranch of nearly 250,000 acres with lots of Sable that were breeding there. The cost is based on THE animal you shoot. When it is down, they put a tape on the longest horn. $200 per inch. Other than the captive breeding program Cape Bufflo, Sable is the most expensive animal to hunt there. enjoy your shoot. Rich | |||
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mstewart- You have gotten a bunch of advice here some good some not.......... What is important is to do what is right for you. I will guarantee that before you get home you will be trying to figure out how to get back!!!! While trophy fees can be quite high for "some" animals in RSA the daily rates usually always make up for it. I hunted Hippo and Buff in RSA last year and the trophy fees where much higher than in Zim but the day rates damn near matched RSA plains game day rates and both animals I got where outstanding, in my opinion much better than the Zim average. Enjoy your hunt and get ready for the Africa bug to bite. . | |||
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Great advive 'TEX, with empirical support to back it up. | |||
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ISS writes--- [quote]Other than the captive breeding program Cape Bufflo, Sable is the most expensive animal to hunt there. ------------- Rich: Hope you're well. I think the price of hunting an RSA Roan actually tops that of Sable. | |||
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There are now so many Sable in South Africa on private land that some of the bigger ranches have their own breeding herds that are totaly self sustainable in a big enough area. $5,000.00 is a bit on the low end, but then again a friend of mine shot a 1 horned bull yesterday for $1,000.00! I'm curious, my Sable in Mozambique, and the prices I saw in Zim and Zambia, day fees and trophy fees totals for between $5-6,000.00 Then add the flight from Jo-burg and your one night sleep over there. Maybe a charter flight of $2k or a road transfer of $500.00. Then add the government fees, and taxes, tips ect. Plus the dip and pack cost to get it out, mostly back to South Africa. You easliy rack up another $3-4k? Good luck, and I wish you a fantastic hunt. You sound well informed and approach it with the right attitude! Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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Really? As long as you know that it isn't hunting and that for similar money you can hunt a better trophy or even buy a better mounted head for a lot less. Dean ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, Duke of York | |||
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Then I guess you would also frown on lion hunting in RSA?? That must not be hunting either? | |||
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Are you really sure you want to ask THAT question on here? Oh boy... | |||
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Seeing the hunts are being conducted on a ranch or farm, there are no logistics involved (they don't come cheap), farmhands are utilized on a one off salary, you eat and sleep in the farmer's house, he keeps and sells the meat (doesn't give it away to the needy)...and yes, I guess you are right on that one though it can never compare to a truly Wild African hunt. Back to the 36" Sable....if it were a Roosevelt it would classify as a good representative trophy; Common Sable?.....even with thick bases would still be considered a wee bit on the short side. | |||
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I just L-O-V-E hunting them wild Lion in RSA!!!       Just can't wait to go get me some more!   Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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