This is just a test to see if anyone is awake.

no we are all asleep

ZZZZZ

Many Thanks, just checking out frostbits theory.

Carry on.

It's doomed Randall.

By 2100BCE there will be no hunting.............

It's always gonna be here

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
It's always gonna be here

More or less.

Folks wake up, I was just testing Frostbits theory. He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

Naki, I agree with most of what you have said.

But, a demand is just that: A desire to have, eat, possess or somehow use. The good conservation laws, or stupid rules motivated by greenies, may rule that the actual possession of certain animal products may be illegal. But the "demand" or want to have is just human nature and not illegal!

Just my thoughts on what you have said.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Folks wake up, I was just testing Frostbits theory. He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Understood..... but.....

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

Doesnt this just prove that most of Asia is fucked and getting more so from neglect and overpopulation, etc? Is it any coincidence that there is very little established hunting in the continent as a whole. The rest of (most of) the world hunts-on.

Of course there are exceptions like Nepal, Pakistan, Iran, Central Asia ... where they can see the benefit of sustainable use and have opened their borders (some quite recently) to international hunting.

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Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

But, a demand is just that: A desire to have, eat, possess or somehow use. But the "demand" or want to have is just human nature and not illegal!

Its interesting how some peoples/societies perceptions can conveniently alter to suite their own will & desires,
an example of this in colonial Africa, where the influx of Europeans and their interests in the
lucrative commercial gains of hunting, took priority over the traditional hunting practices of the natives.

Natives were progressively criminalized as poachers and saw their traditions erased. Europeans as colonials, settlers
and hunters suppressed native hunters as they attempted to gain mastery and hegemony over the wealth of the sporting fields.

Now bear in mind, natives faced challenges & domination not just from invading whites, but also from other natives for access
to productive hunting grounds.
The publication on it is interesting reading: - 'Black poachers, White Hunters: A Social history of Hunting in colonial Kenya'-(Edward Steinhart).

The pure selfish self-interest persuites and disregard attitude held by the dominating colonials of the time were not much different to the
pure selfish self-interests and disregard attitude held by todays poachers.

Its typical of humans through the ages to judge,condemn and/or try to control,dominate or suppress others, who actions or traditions interfere,
conflict,or compete with their own self interests.

It was also doomed in the 1900's. Once used Reader's Guide to research bighorn sheep trophy records and found doom-and-gloom in all the old articles. Lots of records mbroken since then with modern game management. Things will just change. Hey, there's still archery if guns are taken from the picture. And, if you're on ignore but put a new post up we still see it...

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Wrong. I can delete it.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Wrong. I can delete it.

Nobody other than the administrators or Saeed can delete a THREAD, no matter who started it. The only thing any member can delete is his own posts, again no matter who started the thread! Putting your thread on HIDE POST simply hides it from himself, any one can click on the hide post and bring it back up.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

All good points.

But due to sound management practices in countries like the US and South Africa there are more game animals now than in the previous 100 years.

No hunting isn't doomed........some ways of hunting will be though.


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Gentlemen, I started hunting in 1942, and I can tell you the hunting reputation among society at large has taken a hit in that length of time till today.

All my years in school, I brought rifles and shotguns to school on the school bus, so I could walk across the pastures after school and hunt on my way back to our ranch. In high school I stocked rifles in wood shop several times.

Add to that, years later I built rifles in the machine shop at my job at one of the major airlines.

I used to take my rifles in a soft case into the airplane and the Captain would store it in the cockpit, and hand it back to me at the door when I was leaving the airplane, to walk to my next gate to change planes on my way to Alaska.

Try either of those things today!

Till just a few years ago, I never had anyone make a negative comment about my hunting or roll their eyes when entering my trophy room.

I agree partially with Crazyhorseconsulting that hunting as we have known it has changed drastically over the last 30 or 40 years.

Do I think hunting will completely disappear any time soon, or in my life time? NO I do not, but as CHC said, it is on it's way out in many countries, and It is true that the cost is fast becoming a factor to those who will be able to do serious hunting, and when that and the public's attitude changes enough, only those who are among the ultra wealthy and/or well connected will be in the field. The pricing has already priced me out of Africa, and to some extent Alaska, and Canada. I'll soon be 78 yrs old so I don't think it will die in my life time, but those who are in their 20s may be headed for a real letdown!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Wrong. I can delete it.

Nobody other than the administrators or Saeed can delete a THREAD, no matter who started it. The only thing any member can delete is his own posts, again no matter who started the thread! Putting your thread on HIDE POST simply hides it from himself, any one can click on the hide post and bring it back up.

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Ah, Mac, I have a little button here on my screen that says "liquidate," and I am pretty sure it works ( ) . That said, I was having fun, joking, messing around, etc. Lighten up.

Jtex you are partly right - But ....

But Western settlements over the last 200+ years also annihilated many species - Passenger pigeon, American locust, Bison, Prairie Chicken, Ivory Billed Woodpecker, the very ecology of the prairies (with no more elk, wolf etc.).

Same goes for South America, Australia etc.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
We cannot hunt tigers, snow leopard, jaguar, clouded leopard, most species of rhino, most if not all species of Indian & other SE Asian game animals in their original habitat, many species of birds, crocs etc. .... the list goes on.

It is just a matter of time before these closed territories and banned species lists get bigger.

I can see in my own lifetime - say another 22 years - when 80% of today's hunting opportunities around the world will not exist and many more species would have become extinct or near extinct due to plunder by the illegal animal trade that tries to supply the illegal demand.

All good points.

But due to sound management practices in countries like the US and South Africa there are more game animals now than in the previous 100 years.

No hunting isn't doomed........some ways of hunting will be though.


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It will always be legal in Texas! Can't say about the rest of the world.

As long as hunters keep a proper PR campaign with the positives of hunting, hunting will be ok. Plus keep the stupid photos, in my opinion, of hunters sitting on dead animals, posing with beer cans and cigarettes in the mouth of dead baboons, etc off of the internet.

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Originally posted by Paul C:
As long as hunters keep a proper PR campaign with the positives of hunting, hunting will be ok. Plus keep the stupid photos, in my opinion, of hunters sitting on dead animals, posing with beer cans and cigarettes in the mouth of dead baboons, etc off of the internet.

I agree, well said.

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Wrong. I can delete it.

Very Funny, Ha Ha. You know what the hell was being talked about.

As far as that goes Saeed can delete you!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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Wrong. I can delete it.

Very Funny, Ha Ha. You know what the hell was being talked about.

As far as that goes Saeed can delete you!

No, actually I was joking. Don't get your panties in a bundle. I don't know why so much was read into what I posted, but honestly, just kidding. Boy y'all are sensitive. If Saeed has any issues with me he will tell me, meanwhile I will say it again -- JUST FRICKEN JOKING!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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Wrong. I can delete it.

Very Funny, Ha Ha. You know what the hell was being talked about.

As far as that goes Saeed can delete you!

No, actually I was joking. Don't get your panties in a bundle. I don't know why so much was read into what I posted, but honestly, just kidding. Boy y'all are sensitive. If Saeed has any issues with me he will tell me, meanwhile I will say it again -- JUST FRICKEN JOKING!!!!!!!!

Humor goes over his head at only a slightly lower altitude than does logic.

No, humor did not go over my head. I responded with another form of humor.

Humor takes on many forms around the world, it is not a one size fits all concept.

Hunting will always be there but only for the wealthy animals now are raised like livestock shoot the deer of your dreams score depends on how many zero's at the end of the check.Africa is getting smaller and smaller but enough game farms to keep the bullets flying.

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Hunting will always be there but only for the wealthy animals now are raised like livestock shoot the deer of your dreams score depends on how many zero's at the end of the check.Africa is getting smaller and smaller but enough game farms to keep the bullets flying.

That, is about as accurate as it gets. Once hunts reach a certain price level people will be forced out, that is reality.

Damn, I am glad Andy Hunter mounted my American Locust before ya'll shot them out.(Photo coming soon.)

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Wrong. I can delete it.

Nobody other than the administrators or Saeed can delete a THREAD, no matter who started it. The only thing any member can delete is his own posts, again no matter who started the thread! Putting your thread on HIDE POST simply hides it from himself, any one can click on the hide post and bring it back up.

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Ah, Mac, I have a little button here on my screen that says "liquidate," and I am pretty sure it works ( ) . That said, I was having fun, joking, messing around, etc. Lighten up.

Why don't you test out your thread delete capability on the thread called "deleted" in the hunt report section. The world would be a better place.

That request came from a fellow Mopar lover. I'm sure if you delete that thread the positive karma alone would probably bring you a Challenger Hellcat in Sublime Green.

Depends on our government...

That said, I do not expect to see much left in 40 years.

Playing video games is a lot cheaper and easier. I have heard that it is replacing sex with the under 40's crowd as their favorite indoor activity.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Many Thanks, just checking out frostbits theory.

Carry on.

This is why I tested the "theory"!!

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Depends on our government...

That said, I do not expect to see much left in 40 years.

Playing video games is a lot cheaper and easier. I have heard that it is replacing sex with the under 40's crowd as their favorite indoor activity.

It's funny how many members responded to the title of this thread without reading the op's reason for the thread.....

Yep, major ADHD factor here.....

You never know with a little luck it could start going downhill for China.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
He was correct, you can't delete an opening post if someone makes a comment.

Wrong. I can delete it.

Nobody other than the administrators or Saeed can delete a THREAD, no matter who started it. The only thing any member can delete is his own posts, again no matter who started the thread! Putting your thread on HIDE POST simply hides it from himself, any one can click on the hide post and bring it back up.

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Ah, Mac, I have a little button here on my screen that says "liquidate," and I am pretty sure it works ( ) . That said, I was having fun, joking, messing around, etc. Lighten up.

Whitworth, you are correct, but that button is not shown on posts other than Moderators, Saeed or administrators! Other members cannot LIQUIDATE anything other than their own posts!

I think it would be dangerous for most here to have that button!
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Hunting is becoming a rich man's sport; thus, as long as there are rich men, there will be hunting.

This has been one of those situations where I should have kept my mouth shut.

I never intended for this to go the direction it has.

The future of hunting, or hunting at least as we have known it, in all seriousness/reality simply appears to be dimming on many fronts.

I really do not feel that the antis, HSUS/PETA/ALF and others are not as serious a threat to hunting as are unstable governments/uninformed politicians and the world economy.

Quickest example I can give is the state of Caribou hunting. I feel very fortunate that I was able to shoot both a Woodland and a Central Canadian Barren Ground Caribou when I did, because Caribou hunts have skyrocketed since 2000. Too many places that used to advertise caribou hunts at pretty decent prices have gone to stating P.O.R..

I was raised up under the premise that if you have to ask how much something costs, you can't afford it.

Deer hunting in Texas alone during my almost 45 years of hunting, has become basically the playground for folks in the upper middle income or higher economic class.

Is hunting doomed, YES, but I am going to continue hunting as long as my body holds out. I do not believe those of us in the 40 and older crowd will see the end of hunting, but those following us very well may see it.

Crazyhorse,

You are one of the fellows who will always look at a glass half empty. Not a bad thing at all but I rather look at a glass half full.

Cheers

Your probably correct. It does not mean that I will quit hunting or supporting hunting as long as I am able.

In one reality, I sincerely hope I am wrong about the future of hunting.

In Real Time reality however, I have watched the changes that have been taking place, especially during the past 25 years and too many folks today in my opinion have wandered away from the real reasons why a person hunts, and have turned it into a competition on too many levels.