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It's rare but I have at times deleted a post I put up after giving it better thought.

I really think that if I put up a thread that became a shit storm I should be able to pull it down.

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Should the starter of a thread have the ability to delete the thread?

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No, only the Mods should be able to delete a thread

 


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I have, in a rash moment, said things I regretted. Then people respond. If what I said was either incorrect, or simply untoward, it should not go on and on forever due to others reaction to the initial post.
 
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I voted "No". There are many, many examples where the discussion after the initial post is insightful, interesting and germane. Why allow the initial poster to wipe that all out because they get cold feet. If the initial poster wants to have absolute control of his post, they should type it in Word and store it on their hard disk, not post it on an internet forum.


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I voted "No". There are many, many examples where the discussion after the initial post is insightful, interesting and germane. Why allow the initial poster to wipe that all out because they get cold feet. If the initial poster wants to have absolute control of his post, they should type it in Word and store it on their hard disk, not post it on an internet forum.



Not sure if you are older but obviously you are wiser than me. I sometimes make mistakes. If I ever made the mistake of the amplitude reflected in the tread that fostered me starting this thread I would want a do over or a get out of jail free card.

I choose who I hunt with very carefully. That said I bet if you wanted you could find fault in something I've done even to the point of pushing the envelope of the law. If I did I can assure you it was unintentional.

I've always voiced that I would not stop posting hunt reports on here. Joyce and I like sharing our experiences and we both like to write.

Honestly Mike, I'm reconsidering ever putting up another report because of the "deleted" thread. It's just not worth the risk of sharing any longer.

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I sincerely doubt that you or Joyce would ever be confronted with a situation anything akin to the thread you are alluding to. Why? Because if someone told you something that patently did not make sense you would rightfully question them.

Moreover, there are plenty of ways to do hunt reports. Do the reports that are long on pictures and short on narrative for example. Do the report and let it sit for several days to see if you think revisions are necessary. Share the report as a draft with a friend for comments. Most importantly do not (1) do anything that might be deemed questionable, and (2) if you do, have the good sense to keep your mouth shut. I was told many hunts ago, "some things that happen in the bush, need to stay in the bush".


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I voted "No". There are many, many examples where the discussion after the initial post is insightful, interesting and germane. Why allow the initial poster to wipe that all out because they get cold feet. If the initial poster wants to have absolute control of his post, they should type it in Word and store it on their hard disk, not post it on an internet forum.


tu2 and what is wrong with an apology if one gets a thread or post hopelessly wrong.
 
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Do the reports that are long on pictures and short on narrative for example.


Mike,

If only pictures went up on the thread alluded to you would have been asking even more questions than you did. Really!!

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Once someone has answered it,, the poster should not be able to delete it.

And that is the way it is set up here.


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Once someone has answered it,, the poster should not be able to delete it.

And that is the way it is set up here.


And I presume will remain. How did you vote? Wink


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Do the reports that are long on pictures and short on narrative for example.


Mike,

If only pictures went up on the thread eluded to you would have been asking even more questions than you did. Really!!

Jim


Not sure about that Jim. But for the statement made, how would I have known what the gentleman was supposed to be hunting? Personally I like the hunt reports that are long on pictures and short on narrative. Sometimes the narrative can be painful and I would guess a large percentage of hunt report readers look at them see the pictures, not to read the writer's thrilling description of his stalk on a wildebeest.


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The member who stared the original post has rights over his or her opinion and expression of that opinion. They have no rights over removing the expressed opinions of others who might respond to the OP or add other perspectives.

It is up to the Moderators to decide if the entire thread should be removed.

The OP can always appeal to the Moderators.

If you want to delete your post, so be it. If you do not like what other are posting, just ignore the thread.


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Plenty of examples over AR history of threads eventually (or immediately) coming back to bite the OP. The Sheephunter/Nixon threads are good examples of this and it would have been a real shame if they had been deleted by Sheephunter thus denying everyone else future access to the important issues discussed.
 
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I think hunt reports are special moments in someones life shared by an individual.It is kind of like an invitation to someones private home.It puts us on neutral ground with the host who is allowing us to post on his sight,IMO.
 
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If the "rules" won't allow a person to delete a thread because of "second thoughts", "change of heart or mind", then that's a perfect scenario to "NEVER" post a hunt report here.

I "bent" my rule of not posting hunt reports a little and gave a brief statement or two on this years, Moz adventure. No pics, no details, did answer a legitimate posters question on cartridge and load used to take my Buff. THEN, I got slammed for NOT posting enough, go figure??

Anyone with a real interest in some ones hunt can always PM that person and discuss details if the person is willing. It really is a shame as this could actually be a good thing for all of us, but as with most things in life now, a few ruin it for the majority. Don't believe it? Just look around.

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Social cost of people not posting hunt reports < Social benefit of keeping ALL hunt report threads (good and bad) up forever.

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I would be for the right of the hunt report poster to be able to delete a post that he finds offensive.I think that would encourage more people to post hunt reports.I remember once posting a video from one of my hunts regarding an ele that had killed a woman.I had one poster who never posted a hunt report saying that I looked F-up and that I was a mental case...I have decided not to post another hunt report because of this incident.
 
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Are we stop doing what we like just because ONE person objects to it??


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This thread is getting way out of hand. I think the OP should delete it. coffee




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A DVD copy put out by the hunter will make a better replacement for a report,IMO.One that is given upon request to friends on AR.
 
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Jim,

You can just erase the text effectively achieving the same goal as deleting the original post.

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Not that it really matters, but I voted No.

Even though this is the African Hunting topic area, the OP question is ambiguous in its wording.

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Should the starter of a thread have the ability to delete the thread?[/


I am aware of the OP's intentions with his query, as far as it was pertaining to hunt reports.

One of the unfortunate aspects of internet forums, is that people collect enemies as easily or more so than they collect buddies.

To me, and this is just my opinion, the Opening/Original post on a subject can be used as the base line when a discussion gets derailed.

Attention can be called to that OP and remind folks of the original subject.

Just an opinion.
 
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Not that it really matters, but I voted No.

Even though this is the African Hunting topic area, the OP question is ambiguous in its wording.

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Should the starter of a thread have the ability to delete the thread?[/


I am aware of the OP's intentions with his query, as far as it was pertaining to hunt reports.

One of the unfortunate aspects of internet forums, is that people collect enemies as easily or more so than they collect buddies.

To me, and this is just my opinion, the Opening/Original post on a subject can be used as the base line when a discussion gets derailed.

Attention can be called to that OP and remind folks of the original subject.

Just an opinion.


This thread is in the African Hunting Forum because that is where I, the thread starter, spend the most time. A forum has to be chosen and this is the one I chose.

Although this thread was prompted by the recent "deleted" thread I purposefully did not limit the scope of the poll to "hunt reports" so you would be incorrect in your assumption that ambiguity exists in the question.


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You can just erase the text effectively achieving the same goal as deleting the original post.

Mark




Actually Mark that is not correct. You can erase out all the posts you want but if they have been quoted then the posts will remain in the body of the the quoter's post.



Go ahead and delete your post to me in this thread if you wish to test that theory.

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Perhaps ambiguity was a poor choice of words, my point remains the same. As posted, it would apply to all topic areas, not just this one.

I have made plenty of posts/comments that I should not have made, but, on these sites, whether every post a person makes is a gem of wisdom, or something that would have been best left unstated, I do not believe anyone can make a post/comment/statement that someone will not
find fault with.

Hunt reports, and to me, especially those in the African section, seem to draw more scrutiny/criticism than in any other section.

Just my opinion.


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Your right. If you have been quoted your screwed.

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Jim, I agree with you that the starter of a thread should be able to delete it, but Saeed makes the rules. Saeed has strong opinions and is not likely to change.

That said, you have some options...

1. Don't start threads on this forum, move to other forums that would allow you to delete a thread, if needed.

2. Keep your threads as vanilla as possible, yet make your points - but as diplomatically as possible; and, avoid insults, controversial topics, and comments. It is essentially never that someone changes their opinions or beliefs based on thread comments, especially if there's an argument raging (i.e., "flame war").

Also, don't put out personal information on the public side of the thread, and only use the PM section for yielding personal or other potentially damaging information.

90% of the value I get from this forum comes via and PM section. I've made some very positive connections.

3. Remember, this form exists in "cyber space" and it only has as much value or importance that you decide to give it.

This forum can be easily managed by turning the computer off - then, out-of-sight out-of-mind.

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OP should be able to delete their story/thread if they should like to, IMO.
 
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Jim,

Some further thoughts on the polls. The premise of the deletion poll seems to be that people should be entitled to delete a thread because perhaps they made a mistake or the thread is attracting undeserved attention and in the case of the read only poll that people should not have their reports subject to challenge or thread crapping. But what if the poster deserves the attention or needs to have their report challenged? For example, what about the possibility where the thread reveals that the person or the outfitter did actually do something wrong or impermissible, then they get called out and simply declare "king's x" and delete the thread. Another example, someone posts about a hunt they did in Hwange National Park under circumstances that while "legal" are highly questionable. If someone challenges them on the propriety of hunting in a national park should they be entitled to simply call it quits? Point is that sometimes folks are not entitled to and do not deserve the benefit of the doubt . . . sometimes they deserve or need to be called out.

In terms of no one being able to reply to a hunt report, personally I would be fine with that, but seems like that also could be problematic in some circumstances. What if someone says something erroneous in the thread, perhaps intentionally or maybe unintentionally, should the thread be allowed to stand unchallenged? If someone honestly and in good faith says that a tusked elephant bull can be taken under a tuskless permit, should folks be precluded from pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement?

Again, the polls seem to be rooted in a notion that the poster is attracting undeserved and unwarranted attention. That may or may not be the case.


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Some further thoughts on the polls. The premise of the deletion poll seems to be that people should be entitled to delete a thread because perhaps they made a mistake or the thread is attracting undeserved attention and in the case of the read only poll that people should not have their reports subject to challenge or thread crapping. But what if the poster deserves the attention or needs to have their report challenged? For example, what about the possibility where the thread reveals that the person or the outfitter did actually do something wrong or impermissible, then they get called out and simply declare "king's x" and delete the thread. Another example, someone posts about a hunt they did in Hwange National Park under circumstances that while "legal" are highly questionable. If someone challenges them on the propriety of hunting in a national park should they be entitled to simply call it quits? Point is that sometimes folks are not entitled to and do not deserve the benefit of the doubt . . . sometimes they deserve or need to be called out.

In terms of no one being able to reply to a hunt report, personally I would be fine with that, but seems like that also could be problematic in some circumstances. What if someone says something erroneous in the thread, perhaps intentionally or maybe unintentionally, should the thread be allowed to stand unchallenged? If someone honestly and in good faith says that a tusked elephant bull can be taken under a tuskless permit, should folks be precluded from pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement?

Again, the polls seem to be rooted in a notion that the poster is attracting undeserved and unwarranted attention. That may or may not be the case.


Mike,

That is what a Moderator is for.

On a number of occasions, we have been asked to remove a thread.

And as ,long as the reason given sounds reasonable, we do.

People should also bear in mind that practically NOTHING posted on line for a day or two is EVER removed.

You can search and find a cached copy on line most of the times.


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Some further thoughts on the polls. The premise of the deletion poll seems to be that people should be entitled to delete a thread because perhaps they made a mistake or the thread is attracting undeserved attention and in the case of the read only poll that people should not have their reports subject to challenge or thread crapping. But what if the poster deserves the attention or needs to have their report challenged? For example, what about the possibility where the thread reveals that the person or the outfitter did actually do something wrong or impermissible, then they get called out and simply declare "king's x" and delete the thread. Another example, someone posts about a hunt they did in Hwange National Park under circumstances that while "legal" are highly questionable. If someone challenges them on the propriety of hunting in a national park should they be entitled to simply call it quits? Point is that sometimes folks are not entitled to and do not deserve the benefit of the doubt . . . sometimes they deserve or need to be called out.

In terms of no one being able to reply to a hunt report, personally I would be fine with that, but seems like that also could be problematic in some circumstances. What if someone says something erroneous in the thread, perhaps intentionally or maybe unintentionally, should the thread be allowed to stand unchallenged? If someone honestly and in good faith says that a tusked elephant bull can be taken under a tuskless permit, should folks be precluded from pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement?

Again, the polls seem to be rooted in a notion that the poster is attracting undeserved and unwarranted attention. That may or may not be the case.


Mike,

The poll's purpose were simply to get posters to think on the subjects presented in the polls. I am not foolish enough to think there would be any change in the "rules of engagement" on AR as a result.

This website is the sole property of one person and his sole financial liability. It is his to do with as he wishes. I appreciate it's existence and I will continue to contribute regardless whether some days the bad out weighs the good.

Cheers
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No, I did not read all the previous posts.

My thought on this is....the moderators should be the only one to be able to delete a post/pole.....Think before you post, and thing before you reply.

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I delete half of my replies before I even post them. Cool
 
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I delete half of my replies before I even post them. Cool


You should really work on increasing that percentage. Big Grin


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I voted "No". There are many, many examples where the discussion after the initial post is insightful, interesting and germane. Why allow the initial poster to wipe that all out because they get cold feet. If the initial poster wants to have absolute control of his post, they should type it in Word and store it on their hard disk, not post it on an internet forum.


I voted no as well! My reason for that vote is, I see no reason I should have the ability to void what others have said in reply to my post. Heaven knows, I, more3 than most here have been taken to the wood shed by the rank and file here on AR for something I wrote. I see it this way, if you don't want anyone to disagree with you, then you need to do as Mike says, write it to yourself, and keep to your self!

Now those who disagree with that fire your best shot, but wait till I dig my foxhole!

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I think that the only threads that should be One-Way, are those where a hunter is expressing a complaint about a guide/PH/outfitter on a particular hunt and in those cases, the guide/PH/outfitter in question would be the only one able to post any comments.


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