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AMERICAN AIRELINES BANS TRANSPORT OF RILES/AMMUNITION
25 September 2007, 18:10
M 98AMERICAN AIRELINES BANS TRANSPORT OF RILES/AMMUNITION
just heard today that AA as of the 24/9/07 has banned the transport of all firearms/ammunition on flights going to Europe and Asia.....the thin edge of the wedge, when will the rest follow
regards Daniel
25 September 2007, 20:12
RACI am ashamed to say I work as a pilot for AA. Here is the link:
http://www.aa.com/content/travelInformation/baggage/firearms.jhtml
I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf....
DRSS
25 September 2007, 21:28
yukon deltaHmm...RAC, was there much comment on the why or did it just come down from higher up with no input allowed?
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25 September 2007, 21:43
Charles_HelmPosted on another similar thread:
quote:
Originally posted by new_guy:
If everyone that sees this doesn't write a stern (but yet polite and professional) complaint letter we will be doing ourselves a grave injustice in letting this go unaddressed.
Here is the mailing information:
Gerard J. Arpey
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
American Airlines
4333 Amon Carter Boulevard
Fort Worth, TX 76155
25 September 2007, 22:38
L. David KeithMight want to mention to AA, there are other airlines to choose from. My first commercial flight was with AA. I still have my Junior Pilots ring that they gave all the kids that flew on American. Guess they don't need our money now.
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25 September 2007, 22:47
Lhook7I sent this through their web site:
To Whom it May Concern,
I would like voice my concern about the fact that American Airlines is no longer going to allow the transportation of sporting guns on their flights. I reviewed the items that American Airlines does allow in their checked baggage and see that golf clubs, surfboards, oars, scuba gear, and many other bulky items are still permitted. The only logical reason I can see for this ban would be if American Airlines is ideologically opposed to sporting guns and/or their intended use. Is this the case? If not, can you please explain the reasoning behind this ban?
Thank you in advance for your response,
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25 September 2007, 23:08
RACquote:
Originally posted by yukon delta:
Hmm...RAC, was there much comment on the why or did it just come down from higher up with no input allowed?
Unfortunately, they don't consult me before they make their decisions. I am just a worker bee.
I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf....
DRSS
26 September 2007, 00:02
Irish PaulThe above link will take you directly to a Complaint/comment section of AA's website.
Please take the time to send a polite note voicing your opinion.
If we don't write, we have noone but ourselves to blame.
Never use a cat's arse to hold a tea-towel.
26 September 2007, 00:06
jorgeDoes anybody know if SCI, NRA, DSC, etc. are engaged on this issue? I for one just cancelled my reservations on AA from Jacksonville to Dallas for the DSC Convention in January and I just dropped this email at the posted website:
"Pursuant to AA's decision to prohibit the transportaion of sporting and other firearms as baggage, I would like to voice my concern regarding this ill-advised new policy. A cursory review of current items American Airlines allow in their checked baggage, golf clubs, surfboards, oars, scuba gear, and musical instruments are still permitted so clearly weight & balance are not an issue.
I contacted the Transportation Safety Administration and Homeland Security and both entities assured me it was a singular decision by your ariline and not as a result of any new policies or guidance on their part. Accordingly, the only logical conclusion I can come to is American Airlines corporate are ideologically opposed to sporting guns and/or their intended use. If that is indeed the case, I expect AA to be fully prepared to see a substantial decrease in revenue as millions of sportsmen summarily stop using AA for their travels domestically and world wide. Personally, I will no longer use your airline in any capacity, both in my personal or business travels and I will encourage all I can influence to use another carrier.
At a time when all airlines are at the nadir of economic hardship, AA's decison to eschew a significant part of the traveling public in order to make a statement, is short-sighted and economically unsound."
jorge
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26 September 2007, 00:43
Irish PaulAA's decision just cost them US$8085, as I will now be flying Lufthansa or United from Germany to California in October.
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26 September 2007, 01:09
Jim ManionI just sent my complaint in via their website. Not very "Texan" of a Texas based company.
They need to realize that the business travel we book is also at stake here.
Tell them also that based on their move, you are now all for repealing the Wright Amendment to give SouthWest a fair shot at our business travel!
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26 September 2007, 01:17
M 98sent them an e mail also
daniel
26 September 2007, 01:29
MasteriflemanI just e-mailed them also!
"I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution
26 September 2007, 01:29
dogcatSent my complaint as well.
Can we check "through" Europe to other places?
26 September 2007, 01:35
WoodmnctryI just sent via email a note to every hunter and firearm owner on my email list -- and the list is over 100 people long --advising them of what AA is trying to do -- and encouraging them to contact AA ---I am also in the process of personally following up with the appropriate missives to AA that I will no longer utilize their services. I cannot believe that they are trying this – very disappointing.
OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!!
26 September 2007, 01:40
sierra2Sent my complaint to AA too!!!
26 September 2007, 01:46
577NitroExpressquote:
Originally posted by jorge:
Does anybody know if SCI, NRA, DSC, etc. are engaged on this issue? I for one just cancelled my reservations on AA from Jacksonville to Dallas for the DSC Convention in January and I just dropped this email at the posted website:
"Pursuant to AA's decision to prohibit the transportaion of sporting and other firearms as baggage, I would like to voice my concern regarding this ill-advised new policy. A cursory review of current items American Airlines allow in their checked baggage, golf clubs, surfboards, oars, scuba gear, and musical instruments are still permitted so clearly weight & balance are not an issue.
I contacted the Transportation Safety Administration and Homeland Security and both entities assured me it was a singular decision by your ariline and not as a result of any new policies or guidance on their part. Accordingly, the only logical conclusion I can come to is American Airlines corporate are ideologically opposed to sporting guns and/or their intended use. If that is indeed the case, I expect AA to be fully prepared to see a substantial decrease in revenue as millions of sportsmen summarily stop using AA for their travels domestically and world wide. Personally, I will no longer use your airline in any capacity, both in my personal or business travels and I will encourage all I can influence to use another carrier.
At a time when all airlines are at the nadir of economic hardship, AA's decison to eschew a significant part of the traveling public in order to make a statement, is short-sighted and economically unsound."
jorge
Nicely put, jorge.
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If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... 26 September 2007, 02:04
ShowbartEmail sent.
26 September 2007, 02:09
BigFiveJackThe policy says
To/From European and Asian DESTINATIONS. Does this mean if your
DESTINATION is J'Burg S.A. or another
African airport and you're going to get there via a stop in a
European city, that your sporting arms will be OK as checked
luggage?
I did send in my complaint by the way. I asked why
they were choosing to send paying customers to competitor
airlines. I asked how the stock holders felt about AA turning
down that percentage of what HAD BEEN their income. I told
them I'D be choosing
ANY OTHER AIRLINE for my travel,
even when I was WITHOUT a firearm to check in.
Jack
OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.}
26 September 2007, 02:32
CBNHNTRI spoke with AA corporate travel office and they were not aware of this change. While I was on the line with them they checked and confirmed this is now in effect.
FYI, the lady I spoke with interpreted this to mean that as AA has no direct flights to Africa from US the AA portion would be from US to Europe as such the new regulations would be in effect and AA would not let your guns board as checked baggage.
She did say that this is very new and the reservations departments really did not have clear instructions from corporate.
I did tell them that I had made reservations to take my family to South Africa next year (@8K in tickets ) and have traveled over 1/2 million miles on AA and that if this policy sticks, we would be using another airline for travel in the future.
26 September 2007, 02:53
Use Enough GunI have sent my written complaint on to them. I believe that SCI was the one that first brought this to my attention and said that their representatives would be working on it.
26 September 2007, 04:28
jetdrvrEmail sent.
26 September 2007, 05:04
Charles_HelmMy message has been sent as well.
Edit: I also dropped a note to Citibank, pointing out that the AAdvantage MasterCard is not much use if we can't use the miles on our hunting trips. I urged them to contact American to relay the concerns.
26 September 2007, 05:44
jdsHere's what I sent to them . . .
I just learned that AA has decided to no longer accept sporting arms as luggage on any of their flights.
With this message, AA has just learned that I will no longer utilize their services for personal or business travel.
In addition, you should know that the internet hunting and shooting forums, boards, and sites are buzzing with this announcement so you can probably expected lowered profits at the end of this reporting period.
Good luck! I'll wave as I fly by on another airline!
Jerry Stringer
Burleson, TX
(not too far from your home base at DFW)
JDS
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26 September 2007, 06:20
Woodmnctryquote:
Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
My message has been sent as well.
Edit: I also dropped a note to Citibank, pointing out that the AAdvantage MasterCard is not much use if we can't use the miles on our hunting trips. I urged them to contact American to relay the concerns.
Great idea!!!!!!
OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!!
26 September 2007, 08:47
Bob in TXE-mail sent as well...........
26 September 2007, 11:29
dbltapHad my CFOs assistant pull our itemized travel numbers for the last five years. Called our AA rep and faxed her the printouts. $346,789.85. Until this changes we will NEVER use AA again.
26 September 2007, 12:20
Jarrodquote:
Originally posted by dbltap:
Had my CFOs assistant pull our itemized travel numbers for the last five years. Called our AA rep and faxed her the printouts. $346,789.85. Until this changes we will NEVER use AA again.
That's a little over 60k a month Screw em
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26 September 2007, 17:25
KenscoAA has dropped way down in terms of customer satisfaction. In the last month I've flown AA, KLM, Alitalia, Northwest, Air France, and Southwest. My wife and I agreed that AA was the worst in terms of comfort, space, cost, etc. , and that was before this announcement. (Air France in Rome took the cake in terms of arrogance.)
I used to be very proud to fly AA simply because of the name "American". They were my favorite airline years ago. They are now my last choice.
26 September 2007, 17:26
Rich Elliott[QUOTE]Originally posted by jorge:
Does anybody know if SCI, NRA, DSC, etc. are engaged on this issue?
Jorge, I received the following from email from SCI on 9/21. That's how I found out about it.................
Urgent Firearm Policy from American Airlines
It has come to SCI’s attention that American Airlines has dramatically changed their policy on carrying firearms as part of your checked baggage on international travel. This is the official language from the American Airlines website: “Effective with tickets purchased on/after September 24, 2007, American Airlines will no longer accept firearms in checked baggage to/from any European or Asian destination (except for military/government personnel with proper documentation).â€
SCI wants you to be aware of this new regulation and to know that we are working alongside other hunting and firearm organizations to have this policy rescinded..........
I haven't checked the NRA website yet.
Rich Elliott
Rich Elliott
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26 September 2007, 19:40
new_guyI've sent my complaint email... don't let this thread slow down.
Anyone that intends to travel anywhere with a firearm should step up here and make a statement to AA by sending an email to them.
This anti-fireams policy is a slippery slope we can't start down.
26 September 2007, 20:20
JudgeGMine has been sent.
26 September 2007, 20:22
Jerry HuffakerI sent mine to AA and CITIBANK.
Jerry Huffaker
State, National and World Champion Taxidermist
26 September 2007, 20:36
yukon deltaEmail sent as well. Be sure to ask them to contact you with a reply.
I slightly modified one of your emails to use as my own...
"I just learned that AA has decided to no longer accept sporting arms as luggage on any of their flights.
With this message, AA has just learned that I will no longer utilize their services for personal or business travel. I need to book a flight this week for travel in the US with a firearm and I will not be looking to your airline to fly me even though your policy does not affect US travel.
In addition, you should know that the internet hunting and shooting forums, boards, and sites are buzzing with this announcement so you can probably expected lowered profits at the end of this reporting period. I personally know several dozen people who spent a lot of money with you previously and none of them will be doing any future business with you because of this policy change.
I would like a reply as to why you think this is a good policy as TSA is not requiring it nor is any other carrier."
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26 September 2007, 21:03
Devildawg66E-mail sent!!
26 September 2007, 21:15
30ott6I'm man of few words but here is what I sent:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I have recently learned of your discriminatory policy toward the traveling sportsman/sportswoman. By banning firearms you are participating in what I believe is an unlawful act. Please correct this by banning
all sporting goods. This should make your demise all the more expedient.
26 September 2007, 21:17
JTEXAlso sent!
26 September 2007, 21:26
yukon delta30ott6, I like what you wrote!
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26 September 2007, 21:38
G L Krausesent as well...
"I envy not him that eats better meat than I do; nor him that is richer, or that wears better clothes than I do; I envy him, and him only, that kills bigger deer than I do." Izaak Walton (modified)
26 September 2007, 22:12
Bwana1Me to!
