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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Eagle, what the hell are you talking about? A gun in a rack? WTFO? The video we are speaking of shows a lion making it to the hunter during a charge and tearing him a new one. It doesn't show the PH getting shot by a fellow hunter. And the thread I linked to wasn't about anyone getting shot either. It was about members here denying how a DG safari can be in fact "dangerous" in the same week that the RSA PH was killed by an elephant.

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by desert dog:
I have seen other Rugers do what the 2nd PHs Ruger did at the 40 second mark.

BTW, the PH indicated online a couple of years ago when this happened that the rifle was a Ruger, shooting 416 ruger factory ammo.

I've never seen any Ruger bolt action jam with factory ammo, but I have 2 different Hawkeyes (416 Ruger & 375) jam with very hot handloads.

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By JCS271;
I heard Mark Sullivan quote one time "Its easy to practice shooting at a charging piece of paper"

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Originally posted by larryshores

That is funny as hell.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
From the link I posted:


The ‘lion hunt’ was neither a canned hunt… nor even a lion hunt! It was a buffalo hunt that went wrong for the hunters.

Watch lion attacks professional hunter in South Africa



The hunt occurred two years ago near Bray in the North West, in which professional hunter Reinhard Heuser (then 34) was attacked by a male lion. Reinhard, who owns Kwalata Wilderness, had taken overseas clients to the Kalahari where they were tracking a buffalo when they stumbled upon the lion.



Jacques Spamer who assisted on the hunt, told Northern News at the time in March 2015, that they shot straight away but when it stormed Reinhard they couldn’t shoot again until both fell to the ground.

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The fact is, sense these guys were moving in on a Cape buffalo, and it seems they stumbled onto a lion at very close range which charged them catching them by surprise. Their eyes being expecting to see a big black buffalo they missed seeing the lion till he charged from very close.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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The fact is, sense these guys were moving in on a Cape buffalo, and it seems they stumbled onto a lion at very close range which charged them catching them by surprise. Their eyes being expecting to see a big black buffalo they missed seeing the lion till he charged from very close.

1. I very much doubt the Buffalo was in close proximity with the Lion unless it too was being tracked by the Lion.

2. A Lion will not normally charge in that manner unless it was wounded or surprised at very close quarters (which it was not) and which puts that as question pending.

In all my years in the sticks I have never been charged by any Lions that were stumbled upon, some of which at mere paces. It was just a grunt or growl and a thankfully fast-retreating rear end.

While roaming around in the vehicle we did encounter some mock charges performed by the occasional female (never by males).

IMO there's more to this story than meets the eye.

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Originally posted by desert dog:
I have seen other Rugers do what the 2nd PHs Ruger did at the 40 second mark.

BTW, the PH indicated online a couple of years ago when this happened that the rifle was a Ruger, shooting 416 ruger factory ammo.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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The fact is, sense these guys were moving in on a Cape buffalo, and it seems they stumbled onto a lion at very close range which charged them catching them by surprise. Their eyes being expecting to see a big black buffalo they missed seeing the lion till he charged from very close.

1. I very much doubt the Buffalo was in close proximity with the Lion unless it too was being tracked by the Lion.

2. A Lion will not normally charge in that manner unless it was wounded or surprised at very close quarters (which it was not) and which puts that as question pending.

In all my years in the sticks I have never been charged by any Lions that were stumbled upon, some of which at mere paces. It was just a grunt or growl and a thankfully fast-retreating rear end.

While roaming around in the vehicle we did encounter some mock charges performed by the occasional female (never by males).

IMO there's more to this story than meets the eye.

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Originally posted by Anton van der Spek:
To all the armchair critics, if you could understand Afrikaans you would appreciate the calm precise orders that went out. The only thing that went wrong afterwards was the mechanical failure of cycling a round.That was no fault of his it could have happened to any rifle anywhere.

Although I have hunted toothless elephant cows in the Zambezi valley (Sapi) as an observer on the ground without a rifle, I have not hunted lion or leopard. However I was a mechanized infantry soldier that have seen active service. No one can predict how he is going to react in a specific situation. And the way you are going to react is going to change from situation to situation as the drama unfolds. Adrenaline and shock and blood and guts and friend leaking can be bugger.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Good thing he wasn't using a Rem 700.

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Good thing he wasn't using a Rem 700.

Yeah, in addition to the gun going off when moving the safety from safe to on, or a bullet falling out because the safety doesn't lock the bolt, or the bolt handle becoming unglued, not to mention the cheap, flimsy sheet metal ejector failing. 700, the biggest SCAM perpetrated on the sport in history.

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Originally posted by postoak:
After watching that my first thought was how hard it would be to deal with a charging animal with a scoped rifle.

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by postoak:
After watching that my first thought was how hard it would be to deal with a charging animal with a scoped rifle.

Actually, renowned Alaskan Guide Phil Shoemaker did some testing and wrote an article a few years ago and his results were the opposite. A low power cope was FASTER.

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Originally posted by jorge:

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Originally posted by postoak:
After watching that my first thought was how hard it would be to deal with a charging animal with a scoped rifle.

Actually, renowned Alaskan Guide Phil Shoemaker did some testing and wrote an article a few years ago and his results were the opposite. A low power cope was FASTER.

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:
The thing with moving targets (especially if a DG animal is charging towards you), is that the coolest shot in the world cannot make every shot a stopper. An inch or two in any direction can make a "stop" turn into a mauling/stomping.

That is part of the "risk" in DG hunting.

BH63

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In my opinion the hardest target to hit with a stopping hit while charging is the lion and even harder a leopard, because the angle is changing so fast with the cats. The old timers had a habit of dropping to their knees to get on the same level as the lion so the angle does not change the closer he gets to the shooter.

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Originally posted by Johnny reb:
There's not a been a rifle built I do t care what brand or model that won't have a malfunction at some time. I've never been charged by a lion or any other game other than a pig. I have been in several fights with man in Iraq and Afghanistan and you never know how you will react until it happens. You can criticize and say this and that and talk too your buddy's ,and then when it happens some that were talking the loudest about what they would do were the first too piss there pants.

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Originally posted by Johnny reb:
There's not a been a rifle built I do t care what brand or model that won't have a malfunction at some time. I've never been charged by a lion or any other game other than a pig. I have been in several fights with man in Iraq and Afghanistan and you never know how you will react until it happens. You can criticize and say this and that and talk too your buddy's ,and then when it happens some that were talking the loudest about what they would do were the first too piss there pants.

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A Lion charge pails into comparison considering what you have done and sacrificed for your country.

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Originally posted by Jan Dumon:

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Originally posted by Johnny reb:
There's not a been a rifle built I do t care what brand or model that won't have a malfunction at some time. I've never been charged by a lion or any other game other than a pig. I have been in several fights with man in Iraq and Afghanistan and you never know how you will react until it happens. You can criticize and say this and that and talk too your buddy's ,and then when it happens some that were talking the loudest about what they would do were the first too piss there pants.

I've seen people do seemingly strange and out of perceived character things in these situations , including running away , freezing or standing their ground by the most unlikely of characters.
Nope , I will not be pointing any fingers..

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Originally posted by Johnny reb:
There's not a been a rifle built I do t care what brand or model that won't have a malfunction at some time. I've never been charged by a lion or any other game other than a pig. I have been in several fights with man in Iraq and Afghanistan and you never know how you will react until it happens. You can criticize and say this and that and talk too your buddy's ,and then when it happens some that were talking the loudest about what they would do were the first too piss there pants.

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:
I have been charged by both a wounded buffalo and bluff charged by a big bull ellie (before I killed him).

Yet I agree with the others that being charged by a lion or leopard (or even a bear) is probably the thing that would give most experienced hunters the most stress.

Something about an animal that will eat you after finishing you off. brings out the shudders in many people.

BH63

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Originally posted by Kathi:
From the link I posted:


The ‘lion hunt’ was neither a canned hunt… nor even a lion hunt! It was a buffalo hunt that went wrong for the hunters.

Watch lion attacks professional hunter in South Africa



The hunt occurred two years ago near Bray in the North West, in which professional hunter Reinhard Heuser (then 34) was attacked by a male lion. Reinhard, who owns Kwalata Wilderness, had taken overseas clients to the Kalahari where they were tracking a buffalo when they stumbled upon the lion.



Jacques Spamer who assisted on the hunt, told Northern News at the time in March 2015, that they shot straight away but when it stormed Reinhard they couldn’t shoot again until both fell to the ground.

“Ek het net geweet ek moet die leeu sodra moontlik van Reinhard af wegkry en toe storm ek op hulle af en skree vir die leeu… Die volgende oomblik het die leeu vir Reinhard gelos en reguit op my afgestorm – ek het hom toe doodgeskiet met die .416-jaggeweer.” (“I just knew I had get rid of the lion as soon as possible from Reinhard and so I stormed them, screaming at the lion… the next moment the lion let Reinhard go and came straight for me – I shot him with the .416 rifle.”)

Reinhard suffered only flesh wounds, including a gash under his armpit and bite marks on his shoulder.

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Watch the beginning of the video, the client is already on the sticks before the Lion appeared. Buffalo hunt?????

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:

However to be a little philosophical. What if one when hunting alone just for an impala for ex and come across a lion unexpectly..you got a problem that could turn into your last problem!. So here is my question. When hunting ordinary pg in generel where lions(or other DG animals) may also be present is it normal to be atleast two hunters for security reasons like what we see on the video. I am not talking about client hunting but an ordinary resident hunter goes to shoot some game for himself.