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I have never hunted Africa without dangerous game on license. Even the one time I went with no intention of hunting DG I ended up killing a problem lion in the north of Namibia. Now, after a fair bit of experience, including the big four in multiples (except only one leopard) and a boatload of plains game, I am wondering if I should try for the exotics. Lord Derby eland. Bongo. Mountain Nyala. Sitatunga. I absolutely would love to hunt these animals. But time is not our friend in life. And time spent on these species would be time taken away from DG. And there is no spice, in a life of risky adventure, that can compare to hunting DG. Nothing else even comes close, IMHO. Especially elephant and lion. I just can't imagine hunting in Africa unless I am after dangerous game. Asia - who cares? North America - only grizzly and brown bear. South America - without jaguar, just the deer - no DG. Australia - maybe the buff. It's Africa and DG for me, as long as strength and funds hold out. Opinions? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | ||
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Then you've never been skydiving. I jumped for almost thirty years. DG hunting is a distant second. Injury and fatality rates of DG hunting don't even come close. | |||
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Yeah, but skydiving doesn't count. The perpetrator is the victim. Especially if he packs his own chute. Any fool can jump out of an airplane.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I like to hunt DG. It's fun has the illusion of danger etc. I have done the Parachuting thing a bit too. It's fun and has the illusion of Danger also but if you really want to get into it try teaching a teenager to DRIVE. Now there is a real thrill! If you own a gun and you are not a member of the NRA and other pro 2nd amendment organizations then YOU are part of the problem. | |||
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The difference between skydiving and DG hunting is that the game can think and act in unpredictable ways. One never knows what might happen next. With skydiving, either the chute will open, or it won't. Teaching a teenager to drive is more like DG hunting, assuming that the teenager is able to think. With most of them, that is a dubious proposition. But even if they can't think, teenagers have this much in common with DG: They are often unpredictable. So, I agree with you, els, more than jetdrvr! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Go for LDE or bongo with one of those reddish buffalo on your hunting licence  L | |||
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Lorenzo, that is a great idea! CAR or Cameroon, right? That is something I may have to do. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Or you can visit my country for a free different DG hunt: Trophy: my mother in law. Trophy fee: by the house. Dangerous game hunt as good as it gets. Full mount not recommended, may harm eyesight. Keep away from children. No need to spray it against bugs, they will not get close. L | |||
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Perish the thought! A man must know his limitations! Not for me, that DG! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Maybe I can give a call to Mark Sullivan so he can allow her to decide how to die... I just hope the man remeber to use silver bullets or he will be her dinner... L | |||
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MR, I think the big cat's are it, but that's just me. I like hunting things that hunt us. That said, a Bongo and LD Eland are the top in their class. Certainly the king of the spiral horns. Add a giant forest hog and western Buffalo to break things up. As DG, consider next year in Australia. Plans are to reopen Crocodile. Add Buffalo and a scrub Bull or just shoot 15-20 cull Buff. The outback rivals anywhere if you want to suffer in true wilderness, especially in October. Regards, LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Not asking you to discuss your money, but ask yourself, "Is black rhino TOO costly?" If not DO IT!!! What about the dry land HIPPO? Say what you want to about MS, but getting as close as he shows in the videos to those big HIPPOS looks pretty freakin' exciting to me. I believe that if I suddenly came into big money I'd also go with an animal biologist team and get really close to a 400 pound mature SILVER BACK, dart him, and have my picture taken. I'd do the same with a crew in JAGUAR and TIGER country! I'd love to have 72" wide giant MOOSE antlers in my house [for the record]. I vote for mixing it up some.  Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Having some problems Lorenzo??? I sense some hostility. MR, Do you want a LDE or Bongo? Don't do it just because everyone else says they are wonderful hunts. Do it because it means something to you. If it doesn't hunt some more DG. Just my 2 cents. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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A good sitatunga hunt by mkoro has a little spice to it... hippos, buffalo, and crocs hide well in 10 foot high papyrus. | |||
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Blasphamy!!!!!! While I truely think of Africa all day everyday, my number one dream hunt is a High Altai Argali!! My God, what an animal! Come on MR, you know you love sleeping in sub zero weather in a 1 man tent with your Mongol guide snuggled in tightly with you while you dine on freeze dried noodles and mare's milk at 11K ft.!!! | |||
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CAR also has lion and JB DeRunz can tell some interesting stories of "calling for lion", with very good Lord Derby eland, harnessed bushbuck, yellow-backed duiker and of course buffalo, all present. Sudanese poachers may make it dangerous if the game doesn't. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Do the sitatunga and buffalo in Zambia with H&G Africa, you can easily do both and have a great hunt. The Busanga swamp ajoins the Busanga flood plain, so the sitatunga and buffalo are practically neighbours. If you want a good lion there is also no better place than Kasonso Busanga, also sable, blue duiker etc. LDE & Buffalo in CAR/Cameroon.Great hunts and a nice combination. For me Bongo and MN are very specialized hunts where the goal is all about getting the animal,very focused and intense hunting in testing conditions. Lots of hardwork and not too much fun in my humble opinion.Lion hunting can be the same but at least you can enjoy hunting the secondary species so you will never truly go home empty handed. I know a few guys that have done both Bongo and MN and personally regardless of how much money i have i am not inspired to hunt either | |||
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Not so bad Brett, down here in South America we are always making jokes about our mothers in law. Mine is a little more dangerous than others but if we keep her well fed there is no risk Back to the topic, I think that a dwarf buff hunt combined with a bongo in the Cameroon jungles must be the strawberry of the cake. A full mount bongo (look at Adam's office topic) is outstanding and tracking the "Nanus" in the thick floresta must be quite and adventure L | |||
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I agree with all posters here except with the point about "The difference between skydiving and DG hunting is that the game can "think" and act in upredictable ways". To the best of my knowledge animals do not and cannot think!! Act unpredictible, you bet. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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IMO the forest elephant and add a week for Bongo - i had a conversation last week here in Sweden with a DG hunter and he said that tracking eles in the rain forest was THE ultimate and the best DG hunt ever, and he have also killed all other species a couple of times. ! That is my dreamhunt ! ! | |||
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I guess the deversity of experience is what draws me back to Africa. Dangerous game hunting is great and I've enjoyed mine but it is not necessary for me to have a great safari. My last safari was 21 days and included not a single cat, buffalo, elephant, hippo, croc or rhino and I consider it one of my very best. Different strokes! Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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The difference between sky diving and hunting the big cats and bears is that while sky diving can kill you - it can't eat you! Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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mrlexma - I am a dangerous game nut as well, but also do not mind spending time for specialty plains game. The Bongo hunt you not only get one of the prettiest and most rare antelope in Africa, but you can also get your DG hunting in as well. You can hunt the forest buffalo while on a Bongo hunt at very close quarters in the forest and they are not timid there. As Anton said you also have the forest elephant which is an experience in itself, but of course not importable to the US. So, I would suggest the Bongo/Buffalo combination. Then you have the Savannah hunt in Northern Cameroon where you can hunt the Giant Eland as well as the Northwestern Buffalo. If you like cats, you can also hunt for Lion as well. Both hunts in cameroon will offer you the specialty animals as well as DG if you want it  | |||
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As others have mentioned, there are other buffalo in CAR and Cameroon, plus elephants in the forest, lion in CAR. If I'm not mistaken leopards can available in both countries as well. Caleb | |||
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You may be right, but not importable to the US. DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Sounds like spear-hunting is next!! Glad you have options, man. Cheers! _______________________ | |||
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mrlexma, You sound like my husband "I am not flying half way around the world and not hunt Dangerous Game!!" After six trips, this October will be the first time without DG, it will be Mountain Nyala in Ethiopia. Do not discount Asia. I had my apprehensions before we went but what an amazing selection of animals and countries to hunt. I would really like to hunt in China when it reopens. Scottyboy, if you are considering High Altai Argali, you might want to seriously look into it now as the waiting list keeps getting longer. My husband booked it last year and the first opening was 2011. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Mike, I agree nothing like DG... I still vividly remember when we walked up to a bull ele in the jess at 20 feet...This year in the Selous I have lion, 3 buf, hippo, plains game sable... But want to get up close to buf and give them the right and left barrels of the 450#2... Mike | |||
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MR, Have you considered a bow? Imagine stalking to within 20 yards of an unsuspecting ele armed only with a sharp stick! "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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I had similar thoughts prior to my LDE hunt in Cameroon, and for this reason I opted for the buffalo as my second large animal instead of the roan. Not to sway you one way or the other, but the thing about Cameroon is that the entire trip is an adventure. It was a part of Africa that I wanted to see. Also it is worth noting that the areas to hunt LDE (and bongo) are under pressure, whereas we can be reasonably assured to find a good buffalo or elephant hunt in Southern/Eastern Africa for the foreseeable future. This being said, my two hunts since Cameroon was to Zimbabwe for elephant!!!! | |||
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And a lot of fools do. Actually, you might be surprised to learn that skydivers occasionally kill other skydivers. One of the most proficient jumpers in the world, a world champion named Tom Piras, was killed in a midair collision. Many other jumpers have died the same way. When there are a hundred or so bodies maneuvering in the same chunk of airspace with relative closure rates of a hundred miles per hour, a lot of different things can go wrong. Canopy entanglements kill several each year, also. There are a lot of variables involved. But skydiving has provided me with the most unique view I've ever had of this beautiful world. | |||
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jetdrvr - If I could figure out a way to skydive onto a giant bull elephant with a .458 paratrooper carbine - well, then maybe.  Thanks for all the thoughts and suggestions, guys. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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And a very small sharp stick at that! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I'll take the heretic's role and suggest "Dangerous" game aint dangerous unless you have a very low standard of what is "dangerous". If danger is risk of injury, then live on the edge and go use your bathroom in your home or drive to work, that's far more dangerous in the sense of likely to get hurt bad. One of the ol EA Phs said in "White Hunters", that no animal is a match for a good man with a rifle. I think he knew better than me from experience. Of course accidents happen. He apparently blew his head off driving on rough ground with his loaded double in his hunting car. Just cause it aint actually dangerous does not mean it aint actually fun. Lots of fun, in fact. | |||
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SG Olds - that's not heresy - I agree that every single thing we do is dangerous or not only in relation to everything else. But I venture to say that cemeteries full of dead hunters would disagree with your conclusion on DG hunting - if only they had the ability to do so! And plenty of them were good men with a rifle! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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The DG factor does ratchet up for everybody concerned when some novice - who has read too many Capstick stories and purchased too large of rifle that he is afraid of but was deemed necessary by some website guru - and then that nervous hunter is allowed the first shot. Of course his ego-driven web-site gurus have assured him that by no means should his PH ever shoot. Tracking a wounded lion, buffalo, elephant, leopard, grizzly or brown bear most assuredly qualifies as dangerous by anyone's standard. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Phil, in Africa, nervous hunters are always allowed the first shot! That's pretty much an unwritten rule. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Hi Mike! Great thread! I have to agree with Bill, Adam, Lorenzo and others who mention Central or West Africa and throwing the smaller dwarf or west African savannah buff in the mix with specialty antelope like bongo and/or LDE. Now there is an exotic concoction of new country, new game and a little danger all rolled into one! I find it hard to think of Africa without some type of DG thrown in but I have done PG-only safaris before and will again... in fact I am headed to the East Cape with my 12 year old son the end of this month. Not dangerous, but it will definitely be a memorable safari for the both of us! And Asia, come on... big ibex in Mongolia, tur in the Dagestan mountains? On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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jetdrvr, I'm sure you're right about the rush of skydiving. And more power to you. But the only way you're getting me to jump out of a plane before it lands is to set it on fire. Or maybe to tell me we're out of gas. But the engine would have to sputter before I'd do anything rash. Buffalo in the high grass, hippos on land, and getting close to elephant are good enough for me. | |||
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+1! Well spoken as usual. (Also on your other posts on this thread...)  A.k.a. Bwana One-Shot | |||
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