Hey guys, I see a lot of Sth African outfitters have fallow on their species lists, has anyone ever seen a good one?
Planning a trip for 2011 and wondered if I should consider looking for one. Planning on a July or Aug trip, will they have antlers then?
Any thought welcome, thanks
Cam

Cam,
we shoot some pretty decent stags down in the eastern cape.
The rut starts around mid April and the animals still have their antlers through July and Aug.
I can PM you a couple of pics if you let me have your email.

Hi, email is
wildthings@activ8.net.au
Thanks for the reply

Star- I will have to disagree with 500, I have yet to see a decent fallow taken in RSA. If you really do your research for a fallow, Europe is the only place in my opinion where you will be able to get a very nice trophy. I've looked at tons of pics from New Zealand, and haven't seen hardly any that would even get me excited.

I guided a ph friend of mine this season to the biggest one I've ever seen, 32" inside spread with huge tines, and paddles. Tell me what you think.





The problem is that most people don't allow them to get to the appropriate age. Good fallows should be harvested 7+ yrs. And of course genetics place a huge factor.

But to each his own...but I wouldn't shoot a dinker just to shoot one.

I have to agree with Oryxhunter1983, but understand, we do not live in RSA. I have seen on rare occasions, decent Fallow from RSA but nothing on the lines of the UK, New Zealand (we do have big ones there), Argentina and of course our own State of Texas. Talk to your PH and explain what calibur Fallow your expecting. He may have an area where genetics and protein are available to produce good bucks. As Oryxhunter said, age plays a major role. I'll post my friends "black or chocolate" Fallow from RSA, then mine from Wendell's ranch in TX.


Mine from Wendell Reich's ranch-Texas

There are some huge Fallow in Australia,ill find and post few photos

The two biggest I ever say - one was in Australia and one was in Texas. The one I saw in Australia would have easily gone top 10. I still kick myself occasionally for not taking it!

I guess I would say that if the animal is not indigenous to the area why not shoot it closer to home.

Deer hunting in Africa, how absurd!

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Nice Fallow buck a client took on our UK hunt recently.

He looks wery Norwegian!!

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Originally posted by odie:
I guess I would say that if the animal is not indigenous to the area why not shoot it closer to home.

Kind of my thought, we have some huge fallows within driving distance - right here in Texas. I think SCI does their top 10 based on where you shoot it, so you could actually have a top 10 fallow from Europe, the South Pacific, North America, South America...Africa?

Thanks Guys, I will talk to the PH, but it sounds like we have bigger fallow here in Australia

Starchild, if you decide on Australia for fallow, you might try Watervalley in the South; 300,000 acres and you will see lots of good fallow, or check out Kingham Safaris near Brisbane, they have two locations and offer both ranch and free range hunts; they should be able to find you a really big one.

Yep - dont leave town till you've seen the country....

Tasmania has many good fallow too , but I bet if you did some legwork locally you will find good deer within easy distance of where you live .

David Keith I think you know that "Nice Fallow buck a client took on our UK hunt recently"

...was not taken on one of your UK hunts recently.

It was taken on one of my hunts on my property in Tuscany in 2004.

The hunter is the editor of the principle Norwegian hunting magazine and most certainly does not know that his picture is being incorrectly used as advertising for a agent.

I know where you got the picture and I do not think that person would have sent it to you for you to pose as the agent for the hunt.

That is not your photo, not your client, not your hunt not your credit.

I would appreciate if you could set the record straight.

Yikes! What's up with this?

Perhaps an unintentional mistake?

In any event, there is a "private message" function on the forum where an inquiry by the "aggrieved" could have been made. Or, call the dude on the phone.

JMHO.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Perhaps an unintentional mistake?

In any event, there is a "private message" function on the forum where an inquiry by the "aggrieved" could have been made. Or, call the dude on the phone.

JMHO.

Nope - if what Express claims is true, nail him on the 'scene of the crime' where 662 viewers have been misled!
Unintentional mistake? - public apology please!

Express; in fact it was sent to me by a friend of mine who lives & guides in the UK. It was my understanding while sorting through many pictures, that he had been on that hunt but I could be mistaken. Another mutual friend of both of us, lives and guides in Italy, but if your he, you would know me personally as we hunted Moose together in Alberta. I'll remove the picture and put my full attention today of getting to the bottom of this.

Well, I guess LDK didn't actually say that he was the agent on THAT hunt.

Probably not the first time an agent has been misled or confused by client/friend submitted photos? Seems like it's happened here previously a few times.

I'm sure LDK will sort it out and explain the confusion.

Les

OK, here is the situation from where I stand;

As someone here pointed out, some 500 odd people have looked at the photo where it is fairly evidently implied that it was the product of one of “our UK hunts” by David Keith. Those people are unlikely to come back to the thread and check the progress, so the damage is done to my operation. If I had unknowingly used it in a future advertisement both of us would have come under suspicion of having used the other’s photo. More likely me, because people would have remembered seeing it elsewhere first.

I own a hunting concession in Tuscany Italy and I am planning on offering a small number of hunts to the US market next season. To find that someone else is using my material to market their own service made me understandably angry.

Wording is a very finicky thing; if David’s post had read along the lines of “here is a nice fallow buck I believe was taken…” then I could have simply chimed in to make the correction and it could have even been an opportunity to get a little good publicity.

However the exact wording was “nice fallow buck a client took on our UK hunt recently” - There are no two ways to interpret that.

Now, JudgeG, you as your handle suggest may be a wiser man than I, your suggestion that I could have contacted David privately and tried to solve the situation is a sage one. However I had no way of knowing what kind of reaction it was going to illicit, and even if it had prompted David to clear up the story that still wouldn’t have solved, or even alleviated the damage already done.

David received the picture from the person who guided on the hunt, on my land, while I was taking care of other clients. He may or may not have been given all the information about the photo, but the fact remains that it is evident that it was being used as an illustration of his “UK hunt recently”. I knew this was the only way he could have gained the photo, and does not provide any excuse for posting it as having come from “our UK hunt recently” I can not find any other way to interpret that phrase other than clearly stating that the animal was the product of a hunt that he organized.

I will eventually find out exactly what information was provided with the photo, but that is irrelevant, because if it was not enough to let him understand where it had come from, that still does not authorize a person to use it for their own purposes.

Need for the repost with link? I’ll admit, not a very gentlemanly move.
However I had typed up some nasty posts, reread then edited them on the original thread. But when I saw it had gone to page 2, where no one was going to exhume it, well I got mad in the realisation that the error was going to stay if I didn’t do something. My initial reply that went along the lines of “I believe that is not where that buck came from, care to set the situation right” which got canned and I got belligerent, maybe a little too much so.

I could have handled this better and I apologise for that much, but I stand firm in my position that David obviously assumed that no one would ever be the wiser and used the photo, again clearly as publicity for his operation.

Now I feel like I have punched someone who deserved it, but am sorry about it.

EXPRESS, the only thing you had to do was contact me and I would have righted a wrong immediately without any problem what so ever. You now state: "David received the picture from the person who guided on the hunt, on my land, while I was taking care of other clients. He may or may not have been given all the information about the photo" which is correct.

My personal friend, who is guiding in England sent it to me with a few photo's of Roe and other Deer, and it is most likely my misunderstanding or mis-reading that they were all taken recently. It's a simple mistake that could have been easily taken care of. For all anyone knew, YOU were the Guide I was talking about. My UK Outfitter brought his good friend from Italy when we hunted Moose together in Alberta, Canada some years ago. He's not Italian, but I believe English, or maybe he was a fellow Aussie? Regardless, the only damage here is what you make of it. I certainly have no issue apologizing to you...I'm sorry EXPRESS. Now, is the issue closed? I didn't book any hunts off your picture...not even a call or email. I removed the picture; wrote an email to my friend who sent the photo (you say he was the Guide on this hunt) and asked him to clear up the issue. What else can I offer to do for you? Please advise.

This situation is exactly why I have been extremely leery of ever posting any trophy pics; there is no guarantee they won't show-up later on some other website. Accidental or purposeful, it would make no difference.

Well Mr Keith is very keen to clear the situation up and is adamant that is was a simple mistake, we can all make mistakes, and he does not believe he has intentionally done any wrong.
Personally I will maintain that I do not agree, however this is not really a serious enough matter to crucify a man over, we both have more pressing matters to attend to.

In my eyes when anyone who is a hunt agent referring to a specific picture of a person with a dead animal as “from our hunt” is clearly stating, implying that they were the party responsible for the hunt that lead to the photograph, I personally just cannot see it any other way and it is confusing me to see people replying that this was not the case, they must not have been able to read the post properly before it was deleted.

David does not feel that is what his intention was to mislead anyone, and sometimes we do post things without giving it enough forethought. I was guilty of the same mistake.

So I’m just going to let it go, David I apologize for the way I reacted , I hope there are no hard feelings.

I can see someone getting mad for using someone elses pic as their own. I know DLK talked to him for literally hours, he's a stand up guy. First class...however, to me it seemed like a hunt he was offering. BUT and this is a BIG BUT

I don't know why they would get all in an uproar, the Fallow I posted dwarfed that little spike that DLK posted! They weren't even in the same league! hahahah If anyone would book a hunt, they would have pmed me for details!

sorry Express not trying to stir anyting... couldn't resist

No hard feelings at all EXPRESS. Just a simple misunderstanding. Folks, to explain how easy things can go awry sometimes, EXPRESS and I actually have known each other from a hunt we did together some years ago. I didn't recognize his screen name and I don't think he remembered me by name. All is sorted out. Thanks for understanding both sides of the story.
Good hunting,
David