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USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | ||
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Write in vote for the 300WSM!!! | |||
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Second the 300 WSM All in favor say "I" Join the NRA | |||
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I see I am outvoted, but I would take the Weatherby. Who is the last famous hunter to use a .300 HH anyway? Think Elgin Gates... | |||
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Take the one you shoot best and you objectively deem most reliable/rugged. | |||
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Be a classic and take the 300 H&H Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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In the latest issue of Rifle magazine there's an article about Brian Pearce's experience using a Pre-64 Model 70 .300 H&H in Africa. | |||
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The H&H. It is Africa after all. -Steve --------  www.zonedar.com If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning DRSS C&H 475 NE -------- | |||
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The Weatherby's got no soul.  Take the Holland. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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The man certainly hunted a lot, but had questionable taste in rifles. Especially when he switched from FN Wbys to the Mark V. | |||
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There ain't no kudu or zebra or eland can tell the difference. Assuming both guns shoot well it's an easy decision to go with tradition. There's just something majik about the words Holland and Holland. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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No question. .300 WSM everytime. | |||
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From one pilot to another--it's a no-brainer-- take the H&H! SCI, NRA Life Member Warm trails and blue skies! | |||
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Thanks for the replies and for the most part some good answers. Like Allen says I do have a favorite, the one rifle I've hunted the most with and that is the Weatherby, but the H&H is the sentimental favorite. Suffice to say I wouldn't take a WSM on a dare, let alone on a hunt of this magnitude. Well I still have 24 days to think about it! jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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write another for 300WSM with 180 gr Partions, it may not be as steeped in tradition as the H&H but only because it's newer at this time. Whom cares who was the last "great hunter" make yourself the greatest hunter | |||
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jorge..weatherby has my vote! I'm 60 days and counting! | |||
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.............Or, a Weatherby! Take a real African rifle, the 300 H&H, Model 70!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Jorge, You must be kidding! There never really could have been a serious question posed here... Have a great hunt Mr Sharp is a true Pro, even if he doesn't have all his fingers. Nasty vipers.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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500 grains: I have never owned a Weatherby and have no desire to, but there is a long list of hunters who have filled trophy rooms with the cartridge. You can't argue with the record. | |||
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show me what a 300 Weatherby can do that the 300wsm can't | |||
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AnotherAZWriter ----- Elgin Gates may have used a .300 H$H but the book I just read that covered his hunting years in Africa states that the only rifle he used was the .300 Weatherby. He refers to it many times as his pet that had been with him through thick and thin. That is the only book of his I have read, so I could have missed the H&H hunts. If I have misread your post, enlighten me.  Good shooting.phurley | |||
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Isn't it funny how belted rounds are supposed to be so very problematic, but they seemed to have worked for guys like Gates. The .300 WSM might be new, but the .300 Weatherby will add 200 fps. to its velocity with the same bullets, the .300 Win. 100 fps., and the .300 H&H will equal or sightly exceed its velocity. All will feed better than the WSM, particularly the H&H. This is sort of like asking why take a .30-06 instead of a .308 or .300 Savage.......... AD | ||
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I think AZ's comments were tongue-in-cheek. As to the WSM, well I we recently chronograped a MOd 70 at the range with 180 factory stuff and it was 2960 or so, In turn, my 300 H&H admitedly with handloads was right at 3010 and my 300 Weatherby with factory at 3235-3252. And of course, none of the bad feeding garbage of the WSMs. Yep, there's plenty the WSM can't do....jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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A .300 H&H Magnum in a pre-war Winchester Model 70 ???!!! "It just don't get no better than that!" -Bob F.  | |||
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I have owned a couple of 300 Wbys and its a great rifle, but the 300 H&H has always been my darling, it just works...I shoot the 200 and 220 gr. Noslers or Woodeighs all to the same POI... Were I to hunt Tanzania such as Allen is doing this year I would opt for the .338 Win, you might bump into a Buff wounded Lion or crippled Buffalo cow, and the extra thump of a .338 might come in handy, then again it probably would make little difference... I might add for two years running in Saeeds camp we have bumped into wounded cows and in both cases it got a bit cheeky!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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jorge, Take the rifle with CRF so that you don't jam it. The old M 70 may hold more shots too. On the other hand when the PH sees the Weatherby he won't expect marksmanship. Just funnin you. It sounds like a great trip. Join the NRA | |||
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my handloads in a 300WSM beat my handloads in my 300 Weatherby in velocity and accuracy with 180ers, day in and day out,and if you load a 165 gr bullet in the WSM.... WOW! The reasons to buy a Weatherby have paled since the WSM have happened onto the scene as far as "horespower". But I still own a 257 Weatherby and a 300 Weatherby. IMHO a 257 Weatherby is the perfect plains game rifle with the correct handloads | |||
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you're going with THE classic big-bore with the Rigby, might as well complete your battery and take the H & H... Regards, Craig Nolan Best Regards, Craig Nolan | |||
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Why do you have to be famous to use a .300 H&H Model 70 Pre-war or Pre-64 postwar? Am I missing something? A lot of common folk use .300 H&H. Beside the point, but I think Gates was a Weatherby user. | |||
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I voted for the H&H also, but if the Weatherby is your favorite, take it. I'll take my M70 300 H&H to Zim in September so don't feel bad!! | |||
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I took a .300 WSM on my African Safari and would do so again! That said, from your choices, I'd go with the .300 Dakota P.S. Try out the H&H, it is a classic. | |||
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I voted for the 300 H&H but only becuz I wouldn't want to be caught out in public with a Weatherby rifle. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Well, not that it really matters, but I thought I'd mention that the .300 H&H was a favorite of Donald Ker. Reference: African Adventure by Donald I. Ker Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1957. Mr. Ker highly recommended the .300 H&H in his book in the chapter about rifle recommendations for clients.  Syd and Cynthia Downey "On 4 May 1946, following the end of distinguished careers in World War II, veteran hunters Syd Downey and Donald Ker met on the veranda of the Imperial Hotel in Addis Ababa, both wondering what to do now that their service had ended. The result was the launch of Ker and Downey – the oldest and most renowned safari outfitter in East Africa. It has been said that Ker and Downey was the best large-scale operation in Kenya offering both shooting and photographic safaris. Their first client, in 1946, was the film company for The Macomber Affair, Kenya’s first post-war movie. Ker and Downey’s reputation and expertise continues to make them the preferred outfitter of international film companies. Ker and Downey have handled location camps on motion pictures such as Out of Africa, The Colour Purple, Gorillas in the Mist and Mountains of the Moon." http://www.ninianlowis.com/ker_and_downey_safaris.htm http://www.kerdowneysafaris.com/ Just a little historical African safari trivia.... -Bob F.  | |||
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May 4 1946 300H&H ....May 13 2005 300WSM alot has changed in those 59 years | |||
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Jorge, If that is the toughest decision facing you you are living a good life my freind. Have a great trip. Jeff In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. | |||
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Assuming that you shoot them both equally well, then either one will do, but of course you knew that already. If you shoot one better, then the choice is easy. It's funny, I know, but I feel like I have to personally "blood" all of my rifles. I have decided to take one on a trip in preference to another only because it's a new acquisition and I haven't used it yet on game. Every time I pick up one of my rifles, I think back to the places we've been together and the game I have taken with it. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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May, 1946, .300 H&H, 180 gr. bullet @3000fps. May, 2005, .300 WSM, 180 gr. bullet @3000fps. Yeah, a lot has really changed in sixty years............ AD | ||
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