Who is Alister Norton?

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Originally posted by chipolopolo:
Like I said before, If I have this big beautiful .500 and a whole pocket full of ammo, I'm shooting till we get to the skinning shed. How about being critical of Alister Nortons shooting? Any takers?
Chipolopolo

Alister can thread a needle with that open sighted Lott of his, I've seen him in action.

David,

Alistair Norton is a PH that worked for John DuPlooy in Zambia and several posters here have hunted with him.

Mark

Thanks Mark

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Originally posted by David Hulme:
Who is Alister Norton?

Dave, here is a picture of Alister off the web:

Thanks Bill, looks like an experienced kind of bloke, like he's seen a few sunsets in his time....

OK...I'll chime in:

Buff 1- 470 1 shot quartering away, 2 more as he decided he wanted some "close-up" action and 1 as he was on the ground .....probably dead.
Buff 2- A REAL long shot on the plains in Zambia...175 yards..404 Jeff...then a 1.5 hour follow-up and a quick right then left with a 450/400 double. Proper.

Steve...how about a thread on double shooting? Caliber, distance to game, number of misses, etc. This could go into the "odds and ends" section at the back of your novel.

Any truth to the rumor that your "ghost name" for writing is Shitstick?

Gary
DRSS
NRA Lifer
SCI
DSC

1. 416 Rigby 400 GR Barnes X solid - 1
2. 416 Rigby 400 GR Barnes X solid - 1 (brisket)wounded and lost after three days tracking
3) 416 Rigby 400 GR Barnes X solid - 1 He tried to get up and PH's 500 NE with 575 GR Kynoch solids doubled and put him down.
4) 416 Rigby 400 Gr TSX - 2

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Originally posted by GarBy:
OK...I'll chime in:

Buff 1- 470 1 shot quartering away, 2 more as he decided he wanted some "close-up" action and 1 as he was on the ground .....probably dead.
Buff 2- A REAL long shot on the plains in Zambia...175 yards..404 Jeff...then a 1.5 hour follow-up and a quick right then left with a 450/400 double. Proper.

Steve...how about a thread on double shooting? Caliber, distance to game, number of misses, etc. This could go into the "odds and ends" section at the back of your novel.

Any truth to the rumor that your "ghost name" for writing is Shitstick?

Gary
DRSS
NRA Lifer
SCI
DSC

No truth to that rumor but I see Bill C has found my photo on line and posted it. Damn, my secret is out.
Chip

Buff 1 375 5 shots Speer AGS
Buff 2 375 4 shots 2 Woodleigh 350PP 2 350 solids
Buff 3 375 3 shots 2 Woodliegh 350PP 1 350 solid
My shooting is getting better or the quality of buffalo is declining?

Holy crap this is old. I was searching for something I said many moons ago. Saw this old thread. Figured I just had to resurect it.

Steve

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Originally posted by chipolopolo:
As many of you know I worship PHC and wish to be a famous African novelist. With that in mind my novel is short just a chapter or two. I would love to do a chapter on the average amount of shots to anchor a Buff. Caliber, weight and quantity please.
My experience is as follows;

Buff 1 470 500gr 6
Buff 2 470 500gr 11
Buff 3 470 500gr 5
buff 4 500 570gr 6
buff 5 470 500gr 3

Thanks for your help with my much anticipated African hunting novel.

Bad shooting or just good times?
Chipolopolo

I cannot give you much detail, but when we tried to work this out a few years ago, we were getting over 70 per cent 1 shot kills on buffalo using the 375/404 and Barnes X 300 grain bullets.

Buffalo are not hard to kill if your first shot is well placed.

I have seen one taking 12-14 shots from a friend, using the same rifle and bullet combination.

I have shot quite a few. Most have been shot with a 416 Remington Magnum. Mostly with 400 grain Swift A Frames. I have shot a few with solids. Probably no more than 5 shot with other rifles( 375 H&H /500 NE).

My guess would be 65-75% one shot kills. I am including those who are clearly down for the count but I put another in to end the suffering .

I will tell you 2 of the worst . One of my one shot kills required an 18 mile follow up . Long story.

I shot one in TZ right through the lungs. A hundred or so yards away I spotted him laying down. The PH has me shoot him on the ground 3 times. Let me add that we were probably at 20/25 yards. I am standing there like a dumb ass reloading. The buff gets to his feet and makes a feeble attempt to get to us. As I recall I shot him 3 more times.

1 buff, 1 shot, 375h&h 300gr tsx.
What year was this thread started?

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
1 buff, 1 shot, 375h&h 300gr tsx.
What year was this thread started?

It was started in 2009. Back in a previous life when I was "Chipolopolo", a notorious troll.

I'll bite
#1 4 shots plus insurance w/.416 Rem & Horn400
#2 3 shots .470 NE 500 gr Woodleighs
#3 1 shot 4 insurance shots as he was still moving and we were only 18 yards away .458 Lott
500 gr Horn DGX
#4 1 shot + insurance .416 Rem 370 gr CEB NonCon
#5 1 shot + ins .458 Lott 420 gr CEB Non Con

A few years ago I surveyed my African hunting partners as to what % of their Cape Buff kills were one shot/DRT. It worked out to 20% and that is exactly what my count was as well. Minimum number of Buff taken was 10. All mine have been taken with a 416RemMag, except one taken in the Moz swaps with a S&W500 revolver. I now carry larger calibers, primarily because Elephant is the DG I hunt most regularly.

I almost choked when I saw the alias posted again. BTW Steve, I like you a lot better in your current persona. Chipolopolo was a dick.

Steve
As happy as I was about a 1 shot kill.
My mindset is also "Shoot till it's ears quit twitching" no matter what I'm hunting.

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Originally posted by David Hulme:
Thanks Bill, looks like an experienced kind of bloke, like he's seen a few sunsets in his time....

Saw a few sundowners....

Multiple shots on buffalo (our buffalo anyhow FWIW) is mostly about the animals ability to stay on its feet and keep moving - as much or more so than accurate shooting and equipment selection. Keep shooting them - unless you broke both shoulders with the first shot you can not know what your first shot did exactly - till the animal is dead.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
A few years ago I surveyed my African hunting partners as to what % of their Cape Buff kills were one shot/DRT. It worked out to 20% and that is exactly what my count was as well. Minimum number of Buff taken was 10. All mine have been taken with a 416RemMag, except one taken in the Moz swaps with a S&W500 revolver. I now carry larger calibers, primarily because Elephant is the DG I hunt most regularly.

I almost choked when I saw the alias posted again. BTW Steve, I like you a lot better in your current persona. Chipolopolo was a dick.

Even though I have a different screen name, I still subscribe to the theory; shoot till unloaded at the skinning shed. What fun is just one shot after all the effort getting to Africa?

And as far as ol' Chip being a dick, the next thing you're going to try and convince me of is Adrook was a dick too.

Steve

I'm just not goin' there!

Actually I liked Chipo and ADrook. Actually really miss ADrook.

This was back before we had given up on the world and were looking for things to do when we could not hunt anymore. I liked it better that way.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Actually I liked Chipo and ADrook. Actually really miss ADrook.

This was back before we had given up on the world and were looking for things to do when we could not hunt anymore. I liked it better that way.

Hi Lane,
I think something has happened to internet forums in general. I frequent several boards, all different interests. A boating forum a bike forum and AR.

People seem to have lost their sense of humor. Andy and I were just having laughs and pointing out irony. We were never, ever serious.

All the forums seem to have devolved to less posters and those left seem very intolerent.

If you go back to 2008 and 2009, a thread was on the front page for hours, not weeks like now. Andy and I pissed some folks off but I belive we also made folks laugh.

The thread that got Andy banned was the CB, Brittany thread. CB and Andy are actually pretty good friends now and CB actually mentions Andy by name in one of his articles.

Shame, we take ourselves so seriously, we can't just laugh out loud when something is funny.

Steve

Hi back Steve,
Something didn't happen to the internet forums...it happened to humanity...and it wasn't for the better.

to the then times!

PC, social media, forgetting normal human behavior, glorifying sick behavior.

That is what happened to us.

And it surely not for the better!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Hi back Steve,
Something didn't happen to the internet forums...it happened to humanity...and it wasn't for the better.

to the then times!

Agree on all counts!

Cheers to those times.

I said it before
It's just discussions and arguments, not a tug of war
I agree,too many people take things too personal, but I think it's always been that way

Back on topic
First Buffalo: 375 H&H TBBC 4 shots
Second Buffalo 404j 1 soft, 1 solid woodliegh

In each case I kept firing until the Buffalo was on the ground.

A lot of water has gone under the bridge since I posted this in 2009. A lot of Buffalo have hit the ground as well.

just in 2012, I killed 5 Buffalo, three were Asiatic Water Buffalo from OZ, two were Central Savanna Buffalo from CAR.

The three Asiatic Wtaer Buffalo were killed as follows:

500NE .570 gr Woodleigh, softs. 3 of em, starting at about 10 yards.

450-400 3-1/4 .400 gr Woodleigh softs. 2 shots at about 80 yards. My longest Buffalo shots ever.

450-400 3-1/4 .400 gr Woodleigh softs. 4 shots, all heart lung at about 20 yards.

Central Savanna,

.375 .260 gr Accubonds. 3 shots, two frontal, one raking

.375 .260 gr Accubonds. 4 shots, one standing, three running.

I think I just have a different shooting philosophy on killing Buffalo. I NEVER shoot and see what happens. I shoot, usually both barrels, reload and shoot till the Buffalo is not only down, but dead.

The Central Savanna Buffalo; I didn't bring a DR to CAR. I also really struggled with my choice of .260 gr bullets. I felt more comfortable using only one load for everything on that safari, rather than changing loads based on what might present itself. The performance was actually surprising.

I probably could have stopped at one or two on both of them. But, like I said, dangerous game gets shot at till I run dry or the sun goes down…or both.

Steve

1. Cent. Afr. Sav. Buff; 375H&H, 300gr Nosler Partitions x2.
2. Cape Buff; 458WM, 500gr TBBC x6.
3. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr Barnes Solid x1 (and insurance)
4. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr SAF x3
5. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr SAF x1.
6. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr SAF x1 & Barnes Solid x5
7. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr Barnes Solid x1 (and insurance)
8. Cape Buff; 375H&H, 300gr TBSH Solid x1
9. Cape Buff; 375H&H, 300gr TBSH Solid x1 (and insurance)
9. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr SAF x2
10. Cape Buff; 416RM, 400gr Barnes Solid x1 (2 insurance from 470NE)
11. Cape Buff; 375H&H, 300gr Norma Soft x1 (insurance from 500NE)

Steve - thanks for the 'flashback'. We indeed did have some good times back then. Seems I was always on the other side but really enjoyed it none the less. Meeting and visiting with you at SCI a couple of years ago was really great and I continue reading your posts even now with a chuckle under my breath.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International)Life Member
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter
R8 Blaser
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Actually I liked Chipo and ADrook. Actually really miss ADrook.

This was back before we had given up on the world and were looking for things to do when we could not hunt anymore. I liked it better that way.

Hi Lane,
I think something has happened to internet forums in general. I frequent several boards, all different interests. A boating forum a bike forum and AR.

People seem to have lost their sense of humor. Andy and I were just having laughs and pointing out irony. We were never, ever serious.

All the forums seem to have devolved to less posters and those left seem very intolerent.

If you go back to 2008 and 2009, a thread was on the front page for hours, not weeks like now. Andy and I pissed some folks off but I belive we also made folks laugh.

The thread that got Andy banned was the CB, Brittany thread. CB and Andy are actually pretty good friends now and CB actually mentions Andy by name in one of his articles.

Shame, we take ourselves so seriously, we can't just laugh out loud when something is funny.

Steve

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Steve - thanks for the 'flashback'. We indeed did have some good times back then. Seems I was always on the other side but really enjoyed it none the less. Meeting and visiting with you at SCI a couple of years ago was really great and I continue reading your posts even now with a chuckle under my breath.

Larry Sellers
SCI (International)Life Member
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter
R8 Blaser
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Actually I liked Chipo and ADrook. Actually really miss ADrook.

This was back before we had given up on the world and were looking for things to do when we could not hunt anymore. I liked it better that way.

Hi Lane,
I think something has happened to internet forums in general. I frequent several boards, all different interests. A boating forum a bike forum and AR.

People seem to have lost their sense of humor. Andy and I were just having laughs and pointing out irony. We were never, ever serious.

All the forums seem to have devolved to less posters and those left seem very intolerent.

If you go back to 2008 and 2009, a thread was on the front page for hours, not weeks like now. Andy and I pissed some folks off but I belive we also made folks laugh.

The thread that got Andy banned was the CB, Brittany thread. CB and Andy are actually pretty good friends now and CB actually mentions Andy by name in one of his articles.

Shame, we take ourselves so seriously, we can't just laugh out loud when something is funny.

Steve

Hi Larry,

Really enjoyed our time together in Reno as well. You were one that "got it"


Regards,

Steve

Buff #1 250g 9.3 Barnes X one shot - heart

Buff #2 220g 8mm Nosler partition one shot - forehead

Buff #3 450/400 400g Woodleigh Sp two shots - shoulder. 2nd not essential but double rifles are fun to shoot!

Buff #4 same as Buff #3

Buff #5 225g Combined Technologies .338 one shot - high shoulder shot. Used two more as insurance when he was down.

Buff #6 250 TSX solid and TSX Solid was frontal chest shot which pissed him off. The TSX calmed him down.

Buff #7 9.3 RWS H-Mantle one shot - shoulder

Buff #8 450/400 400g Hawk. Two in the shoulder and two more when he was down. Buff are mean and double rifles fun to shoot. No need in leaving the left barrel loaded, you know!