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Originally posted by Full Roar:
Choices we have to make

-Scenario-

You are at a bar.
A older lady is sitting on a stool, sagging here and there, teeth are not what they once were, Hair thinning a bit,but obviously once a beauty. Just not in her prime anymore, but still a trophy
A much younger lady walks in, in her prime,looking fine and strutting her stuff in front of the crowd.
(A) Do you "mercy fuck" the older gal and consider that you did the "right " thing - or-
(B) Go after the hot young thing to possibly add to your trophy list, knowing full well that she is of legal age and you are legally entitled to if you want, BUT , also knowing that a younger more suitable mate for her would be the best thing


Choices are sometimes tough
My thought, you get the best trophy available at the time

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Originally posted by ManuelM:
I was wondering lately what you gentlemen focus when judging a trophy and I came up with a pair of questions and i would be glad to hear your opinions

First situation: You come across a big group of buffalo and among the herd there are two mature bulls, the first one is a really old animal in bad shape with big mature boss and a little less than 40 inches spread, basically a nice animal but a walking lion meal. The second bull is a vigorous mature male with no scars and sharp horns with mature bosses and maybe a 44 inch spread, not young but in his very reproductive prime. Which one would receive your bullet?

2nd situation: You are on a bait and two lions show up obviously with means of discussing their territory, the 1st lion is a very old looking scarred with a skinny body and sporting a once beautiful but now sparce mane who is making his last stand against a mature vigorous male with a beautiful long and dark mane who is challenging a male for the first time, Would yo go for the trophy of make the best for the ecosystem?

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

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Originally posted by Zimbabwe:
I'll actually give you an honest answer. I would evaluate the shots and take the one with the best guarantee of a trophy irelevant of which animal it was,Period. I really think this is what most would ACTUALLY do.

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Originally posted by MacD37
This type hypothetical hunts usually gets a different answer than it would in the field 10,000 miles from home!

I will give you the answer that most would, if they were looking at the animals right now.

If both are mature and of legal age, I would take the one that looked the best to me!

What I mean by that answer is you couldn't pay me enough money to make me shoot a scrum cap buffalo unless he was already wounded or carrying a snare wire, and suffering. The same goes for the lion if both are of legal age, and it is not evident if either is a pride lion, I would take the best trophy!

I'm sure that is not the politically correct answer, but it is a true answer that would come from most who have traveled half way around the world, and spent many thousands of dollars on the hunt.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Then on that same hunt, we had two male lions on bait. This one who has a very nice mane for the Zambezi Valley, but he is obviously holding a pride:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Originally posted by MacD37
This type hypothetical hunts usually gets a different answer than it would in the field 10,000 miles from home!

I will give you the answer that most would, if they were looking at the animals right now.

If both are mature and of legal age, I would take the one that looked the best to me!

What I mean by that answer is you couldn't pay me enough money to make me shoot a scrum cap buffalo unless he was already wounded or carrying a snare wire, and suffering. The same goes for the lion if both are of legal age, and it is not evident if either is a pride lion, I would take the best trophy!

I'm sure that is not the politically correct answer, but it is a true answer that would come from most who have traveled half way around the world, and spent many thousands of dollars on the hunt.

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Didn't you just get your throat cut? Probably should consult your physician before taking part in such serious debate...
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....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Well, let's see.

Last October, I shot this small, but old buff. He was a dugga boy, paired up with a much larger bull. But we snuck up to them within 60 yards in a well defended location they had picked out, in order to get a good shot with my open sighted double rifle. When they finally became alerted to our presence and stood to face us, this is the one that presented a shot as the bigger bull was completely obscured by brush. So, in this instance, the availability of the shot made the decision for me as both were completely mature, but this one was less of a "trophy" in terms of horn measurement. Was I disappointed? Not in the least.




Then on that same hunt, we had two male lions on bait. This one who has a very nice mane for the Zambezi Valley, but he is obviously holding a pride:



And this one that was well known by the PHs and outfitter as being an older solitary male that was past his pride holding years. His mane is greatly diminished compared to the other, but he showed up on the bait with with a solitary female, and no cubs. He had lost 1/2 of his tail previously and had a deformed foot, both likely the result of earlier fights in his prime. This same lion gave Jines and Buzz the slip for 19 days earlier in the season so he was smart to our ways of deception; that is until he made a mistake on day 15 of my hunt. Was I disappointed? Are you kidding me?

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Originally posted by joester:
I just had the buffalo situation occur in the SAVE last week, I shot the one that presented itself neatly & clearly, no regrets. The shorter but thicker bossed bull was my inital choice, but the wider one presented a perfect shot. I will post report soon but I must first figure out the photo posting part.