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I have a friend that is going on a hunt this Summer with lion on the list. He shoots a Blaser in 375 H&H and does not reload. Any recommendations. The A-Square lion loads seems to be on permanent back order at Midway. I thought that maybe the Hornady 270 interlock would give him the expansion needed, but I don't really know. Thanks. | ||
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I believe that Federal still makes a 300gr Nosler Partition load, plus they produce a 300gr TSX and 300gr TBBC. Remingtion offers the 300gr Swift A-frame. I have never hunted lion, but I think these would do the trick. I'm partial to the Noslers though. Good luck -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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The inexpensive Remington 270 gr. round soft point should do the job on lion. I don't believe Remington labels it as a Corelokt bullet. It has proven to be very effective on brown and grizzly bear. Any comments? Geoff Shooter | |||
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He has barnes tsx and solid loads for buffalo. I figured he needed something that opened quickly for lion. | |||
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It's not a very good idea to have a quiver of bullets when hunting. Hard to get them to shoot to the same point of aim and easy to get them mixed up in the field. Plus you don't necessarily know what's going to pop up from behind the next bush. So he should stick to the Barnes - they open plenty quick and then they keep going. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Good thing, do an Advanced Search on "Lion Load". He will need a bullet that can penetrate from the side (assume a baited hunt?) as well as possibly thru the front chest muscles (where the Lion Loads can and do fail - Ganyana saw this once as did my outfitter/PH in the Caprivi and I am sure there have been many more...). If he is leaning towards a softer bullet, consider the Woodleigh non-protected point. Or, use a Barnes X for the lion as well as the rest of the game, and don't think too hard. Good shot placement on an unsuspecting lion and he will have no problem with just about anything. But one never knows. | |||
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I've taken one lion and I'm after another this July. I used a 375 H&H with a 300 gr Nosler Partition. We were tracking 4 lions together and jumped them off a buffalo kill that happened within minutes of us coming along. The shot I had was right at dark and my bullet hit just off center of a 3" diameter tree. The NP opened up completely and deflected to the right. The lion was about 4 feet behind the tree and received the NP too far back for a clean kill. I picked up my 470 double and with flask lights we waded into to the Jesse. After one false charge and lots of lion encounters (his brothers) we found him dead about 3 hours later, shot in the liver. The entrance hole was 2 inches in diameter and no exit. This experience aside, I really like the expansion you get from NP's on thin skinned animals. I've also used the same set up for leopard. BTW I do reload but I shoot factory (Federals) for my danger game hunts. My double is regulated for that ammo. I also run each and every round through the actions, closing them completely, before I pack them for the trip. | |||
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I've used 300 grain A-Frames and IMHO they may be too tough on Lion. They give great penetration, but not enough expansion and tissue damage to stop a charge (without a brain shot). I shot this extremely agitated Cat once in the chest (stop his charge and pushed him back on his haunches), once through both lungs (as he turned to flee) and killed him with a departing shot into his neck...and out the right side of his muzzle. Penetration, yes! Putting the Lion down, a gray area. I'd look hard at Nosler Accubonds. Excellent expansion but retained weight for penetration. Federal manufactures a number of good options. LDK  Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I like to use only one bullet on safari as far as possible and have used 300 grain Swift A frame with good results not only on Lion but also on Leopard, buffalo and Hippo. However, any good quality bullet in .375 should be sufficient for lion with good shot placement. Ahmed Sultan | |||
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Any factory ammo that is loaded with Nosler Partitions, Swift A Frames or WOODLEIGHS. | |||
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Ditto. ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I would recommend Federal Premium ammo. They have a soft point, Trophy bonded bearclaw and Sledgehammer solid in 300 grains that all shoot better than I do. I would strongly recommend soft point for rapdid expansion and maximum damage on thin skinned cats. Assuming you will be hunting over bait you can load accordingly. If I have my .375 out and about I load with Tropy Bonded for come what may. Jeff | |||
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My lion I shot last year was with a .375 using barnes x. first shot was not the best shot. Entered the center of right shoulder and traveled just under skin to the front of the mouth where the bullet was recovered. Second shot hit left flank and exited between the right shoulder and neck (fatal). Third shot went through a tree (approximately 3 inches) and struck the cat in the left side center and was found just under the skin directly on the other side. I was impressed with the bullet performance personally. That cat ate up a lot of bullet energy and the .375 barnes delivered. I am glad I was not using my .300 win as I had originally planned. | |||
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I wonder whether the Nosler Accubond wouldn't be a good all-round choice. It's supposed to open quickly but only partially and then penetrate. It works well on buffalo I have been told by Nosler. And it's supposed to work quite well at lower velocities due to the soft front portion. The poster above who was looking for a bullet to "stop" a lion charge has seen too many hollywood movies. The physics involved are such that no bullet is going to knock a lion backward. A very high velocity bullet might induce nervous system failure via shock but it may also fail to penetrate very far. Most African calibers don't have that kind of velocity. Other than that, a brain or spine hit will cause his system to shut down but his momentum will keep him moving forward. Once he is in charge mode, he is going to keep coming unless his CPU is shut down or his shoulder(s) are smashed. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Another vote for Swift A-frame in 300 gr .375 H&H. Good penetration with reasonable expansion. Never heard of one failing, my bullet was found under the skin on the far shoulder. Also in a charge, I would think you would get the penetration you need to get through the frontal chest muscles. Of course, a .577 double is probably the best medicine,  Dak | |||
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390ish Please have your friend only use one expanding bullet and one solid. As Russ said the possibility of a mix up or having the wrong soft point up the spout is real. Have him use a SAF, TSX or other premium bullet. The A-Square lion load is not a good bullet at all. Your friend's PH will be much happier if the bullet exits the lion with a small hole than having it blow up on a shoulder bone. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I killed one of my lions with Barnes X bullets. They are fine for that job and I wouldn't hesitate to use them again on lion. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I appreciate your replies and will pass along the advice to my friend. His is the only Blaser I have ever shot. I suppose it is the stock design, but the recoil is very tame in that rifle to be so light a weapon. | |||
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This is a very interesting thread. I reload most my bullets but have some factory .375 Remingtons loaded with Swift A-Frames that I was planning on taking this year. They shoot as well as any of my other handloads. My .375 solids will be handloaded as my son will be using this gun for buffalo and hippo. The thoughts expressed here surely make me think that the Swift bullets might not be ideal for the lion I hope to get this year, but I'll likely just stay with them since they will be fine for many of the others things we’ll be after. I don't care to carry around bullets loaded just for a lion. As a result, I suspect I'll hunt a lion using a bullet that might not be perfect for a thin-skinned animal, but hope that what I'll be using will be more than sufficient. | |||
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Hunters would be much safer if the Asquare lion loads were on backorder for the next millenium, they will get you hurt or killed, stick with nosler partition, swift, or Woodies. Even though I am a Swift freak I might opt for the partition on a big cat. Dirk "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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I had no problem at all with Federal's 300 grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaws. Did the job quite well. You can get them in regular and high energy. | |||
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I really like the Woodleighs and the Nosler partition bullets on cats... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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As I stated earlier in the thread, I use Nosler Partitions on cats. I've used NP's for 25 years and 95% of the time I'm hunting, that's what's in my rifle. I'm very comfortable with that bullet, however any of the premium bullets that expand quickly yet retain weight will do quite nicely. NOTICE I said expand yet retain. Even though I've never used the A-square lion loads my reading has lead me to understand these bullets are too fragile. Risking lack of penetration is a good way to turn a dream into a nightmare quickly. | |||
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