Peter's advice: "Keep the sun on your back and the wind in your face."

Pretty good advice. Might be a good quote for a tombstone.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Lavaca,
He got torched by several South African groups that were in favor of canned lions, color mutations and other less than ethical hunting scenarios. He stood up to them, got publically ridiculed, then spoke his peace and retired. He still writes and does behind the scenes work.

It is a shame that the Rand or Dollar was the only reasoning by the RSA folks. No ethics, just rand and dollars.

Not to paint all of the RSA folks that way, but there is a massive commercial force that raises animals to be released, then hunted. That "force" trumped ethics and wisdom in many cases.

Why are ethics being brought into lion hunts.

While no one talks about the canned elk and other animals in the us and New Zealand!

Hypocrisy??

No hypocrisy with the real hunters that I know in the US. Canned elk hunt are just as bad as canned lion hunts.

Here is the rub.

Most post are in support of Dog’s stated position. I am.

I agree with many post that set out the rational for these awards. SA identifies ego. I believe it is ego and money. The answer to all your questions is money. Hunter ego has been monetized by the awards. I do not like Boone snd Crocket’s System especially concerning whitetail. The reasons being the arbitrary, common base point reduction rules. If you are going to measure, give the animal credit. There has been more than one controversy over the score of the BandC record non-typical whitetail from this common base nonsense. Second, BandC scoring system has not removed the competitive, monetization from hunting. It has made it worse.l as in the fights and lawsuits over the biggest whitetail.

It is all so kitty and childish that destroys the respect for life in my view.

One really cannot prevent a hunter or outfitter from self-promoting taking the biggest X in the world.

However, gets is my solution of the Organizations want to stop being the source. Stop being the sanctioning body for these cock fights.

The record books should be rebranded as more of an index. The animal is entered based scoring methodology (with the ability to enter recorded weights, length, width with a statement as to how those were obtained preferably with photos or video). The animal’s measurements, date, and general location Init 72 elk Wyoming, or Zambezi Delta, or Denali Mountain Range whatever is entered. The outfitter, guide, or hunter is NOT ENTERD. The hunter, guide, or outfitter achieves no recognition from the entity/organization that maintains the index.
Thus, those entries are

I bell there is scientific value is recording the size of animals. Such indexes would remove the competitor and money.

We could then move to awards based on age or pro conservation environment impact, Voluntarism. I would love to see the Weatherby go to an old hunter who has given decades of free instruction to hunters’ ed classes, and exposed X among of non-hunting youth to his/her segment of hunting. Such a person is how I got into waterfowl hunting having not come from that tradition. We remove the number killed from criteria and entries from the criteria

However, I am not hopeful enough to expect such things.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
"Keep the sun on your back and the wind in your face."

That is one to live by.

I would only edit it as follows:

"Keep the sun on your back, the wind in your face and your rifle always in your hands."

Colonel Jeff Cooper quoted a source I cannot remember, maybe Herodotus, as follows:

"To ride, shoot straight and speak the truth,
Those are the ancient laws of youth.
Old days are past, old times are done.
But the law runs true, beloved son."