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Watched "World of Sports Afield" yesterday that had a Uganda buffalo hunt with Tim Herald and another hunter. Both hunters each took a buffalo, the Herald went after another. They were following a bull walking directly away from them at over 100yd. I emphasize directly. The bull gives a very slight turn to the left and Herold pulls off a shot hitting the bull, by Herold's admission, in the jaw. The animal was no where near to presenting a quartering target. They did follow up and with a few more rounds delivered killed the bull. I'm wondering what the opinions are of others who saw this episode? Personally I shocked he took that shot and view it as somewhat unethical. Your opinions please. | ||
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Haven’t seen this. But I have taken many shots like these. Last year I shot an eland and a buffalo like this. Both were hit just ahead of the hip. The eland ran a few yards and stopped head down. I shit again, although it was not necessary. The buffalo ran a few yards and dropped dead. One our trackers kept asking my PH why do I take shots like these. “Experience”. Was his answer. Both videos are on my hunt report at the head of this forum. | |||
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I watched the same episode and, like you, found it made no sense for a first shot. But, what really perplexed me was he was shooting into the left side of the buffalo, which meant going through the paunch instead of the liver on the other side. Plus, the buffalo was walking. Tim’s a very experienced buffalo hunter and I’m perplexed at why they didn’t simply wait for a better angle. What I saw made no sense. | |||
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Dan, Ask Alan how many buffalo I have shot this way. On the left side. Never had a problem as my bullets always get into the chest cavity. And that is all what is required for a kill. Hitting it in jaw is definitely a no no. | |||
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Tim does some interesting things.... including with his PH... look at the history here on that. | |||
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Therefore, with no part of the head being visible, Tim was still able to hit it in the jaw. Though not having seen the clip it could be that he initially opted to anchor it with a shot to the left hip but in that split second the buffalo turned its head and body left and got smacked in the jaw. I don't see any other way if the only target you have in your sights is its ass and swishing tail.  | |||
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Over 40 odd years ago, when I started hunting in Africa, we used to wait for the animal to give us a good angle. After a few years experience, I learned one thing. Regardless of what angle is the animal presenting, one needs to get to the chest cavity. Since then I have shot animals from every conceivable angle. Never had any problems! Roy used to make me wait for a good angle. Then that got to the point where he would scream SHOOT HIM UP THE ARSE!  | |||
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Saeed, I’m reminded of a passage in a book by Hemingway that stuck with me. It goes something like “the hunter eventually learns to shoot by anatomy and can kill from any angle using the rapier scalpel of the high velocity bullet.” I think this applies to you beautifully. However, not everyone has been to “Roy Vincent’s Medical School”. Best, Brett | |||
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If you get a chance, watch the episode. The bull's head was slightly visible to the left at the time of the shot. The bull was walking and in no hurry. | |||
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I decided long ago based on volumes of good advice never to take an iffy shot on a dangerous animal, and that obviously includes Cape buffalo. But "never do this or that" is a hard rule to follow and I have violated this one more than once. Bottom line is that I have sometimes regretted it. We all live and learn. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Saeed, I know you use your own bullets and I've never seen one in person, so don't know if they are more like a solid than a soft, but sounds like it. On buffalo, I shy away from hard quartering away shots at the left side. That is after I tried one and after virtually no blood trail, we found a dead buffalo with the Swift AFrame lodged in the heart. Not through the heart -- in the heart. No problem with hard quartering shots from the right side, and this one worked out, just won't do it again. | |||
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In 2021, after putting a good lung shot into a buffalo that would have been fatal in short order, but close to dark, the PH wanted to follow up right away due to the approaching darkness. Then he spotted the bull to the side and proceeded to shoot him through the nose. It didn't slow him down at all or improve his mood, but four shots later from me, he was on the ground. Surprised but the PH didn't shoot again. I wouldn't recommend jaw or side nose shots on buffalo. | |||
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First time I have ever heard anyone has preferences for shooting an animal on the right or left side. Never been a question for me. Right bullet in the right place. That is all that is needed. | |||
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Alan told me I’m not as good a shot as you.  | |||
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“Celebrity” utube hunting for profit. Nuff said. Rarely watch any of that fodder usually a big disappointment and staged or in this case (didn’t bother watching) just trying to get footage so a lousy shot was taken. No surprise here. And more than once i’ve heard this name associated with this subject Not as famous as the number one culprit though White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Yes. This has been the downfall of many celebrity hunters. | |||
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Saeed it is all about bullet construction and penetration capabilities. For Tim to take the shot he must have been comfortable with the bullet. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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The thing is Alan and me are always paying Roy back! For all his unsavory behavior towards both of us. For years he never said “good shot!” Or “well done!” He was complaining non stop about my shooting, despite the animals dying with one shot. Here is a classic Roy Vincent! I shit an impala with my 270 Ackley. He drooped dead. When we got to him, we could see the bullet broke both his front legs just below the chest cavity. It made a sort of line at the bottom of the chest cavity. Did not go in at all. The bottom part of the chest cavity was untouched. Roy got a stick, and was pushing it in the bullet home and then trying to see if he could get into the chest cavity. Which he couldn’t. He carried saying “he shouldn’t have died! He shouldn’t have died!” On another occasion I shot an impala very far away, facing away. It was over 400 meters away. He dropped at the shot. When we got to him we found the bullet hit him in his rear leg, went through all his body and exit by the neck. Roy looked at him, and said “this is not the right place to shoot them!” Alan was our video camera man. Roy never was happy with him. His favorite saying was “he is always fiddling with his camera!” Now Roy is our camera. He is 100 times worse! | |||
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Lol. You have to remember that a lot of American hunters insist on 150lb whitetail to be perfectly broadside before they shoot. It’s a baffling phenomenon. | |||
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Roy… on my first hunt with Roy (1983 and Alan was a barefooted terror running running loose in camp) I shot a nice sable. It was perhaps 40-50 yards away and broadside. I shot it in the shoulder, it stumbled around in a small circle and dropped near where it was standing when I shot. Obviously a very effective shot. When we walked up to it Roy told me I should have shot it better. I asked where he thought I should have shot and he put his finger about 1-2” away and said “there”. At that point I realized there was no pleasing him with my shooting. | |||
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I've never met Tim, but have talked to him on the phone regarding a hunt recently. In my opinion, if there are SO many buffalo in the area, as said, WHY would one take a shot at a bull in such a manner? I would think a much better opportunity would come along soon enough. I did watch and was quite surprised when he fired. But, it was his choice, so.... Wes | |||
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Why are we crapping animals? Lol | |||
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Folks, I know Tim, have hunted with him and considered him a friend long before he got totally in the lime light. A raking shot can be very effective but your aim only needs to be off a very few inches and you miss or in this case you wound. Tim in the last 15-20 years has shot a lot of animals including buffalo. I think he must have been very sure he could make the shot before he fired. We've all made misjudgements in the field so I see no need to pile on Tim. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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All of us have been taught to hunt and especially shoot responsibly and that goes especially for hunting videos aimed at public If we fail to act that way, we affect more than just the animal My 2 cents Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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How many people have shot perfectly standing, broadside, animals and screwed it up? All we need is look at that idiot Mark Sullivan and all his stupid clients, some videos have been posted here. We have all made bad shots, it is part of hunting. I remember an article is SCI Safari magazine, about someone shooting 7 animals with 7 shots. On a farm in South Africa sitting on a waterhole!  | |||
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It's about anatomy. The rumen is on the left side, so if you shoot a buffalo quartering away on the left side, you have to shot through the equivalent of a hefty garbage bag filled with wet grass. I got away with it once, but it wasn't a good idea and I won't do it again. | |||
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Shot them on the right and on the left. Never made any difference! Funny enough, the examples I gave earlier on an eland and a buffalo, both were shot on the left. | |||
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Bell did shoot 23 buffalo with 23 shots from a 22 Savage with 80gr bullets for meat to feed his safari. Not shot all at once of course but out in the field as the need for meat arose. He just wanted to try out the tiny 80gr bullet to see how effective it was. I imagine he probably tried heart lung shots too. | |||
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Ah my friend. Comparing Bell with some little Bimbo SCI trying to glorify is a bit different. I think she was related to someone high up in SCI. They even had pictures of the waterhole. | |||
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DOGCAT: Are you alluding to the time Tim nearly blew his PH's shoulder off? If I were a PH, I would never allow Tim to walk behind or next to Mme with a loaded gun. Jesus saves, but Moses invests | |||
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Yes... terrible accident but I feel as you do.. | |||
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This is the first thing that came to mind when I saw the post, I sure wouldn’t walk in front of him when hunting! I bet Stu feels the same way, too. Karl Evans | |||
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Can someone give us details on that accident? Was it when he tripped? I wonder why his rifle was not on safe? I make it a point my rifle stays on safe until I am on the sticks. On certain occasions, while following wounded animals for instance, I keep my thump of the safety. Intention is to push it off as the rifle comes up to the shoulder. | |||
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interesting to read: https://forums.accuratereloadi...1411043/m/4831030291 | |||
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No matter how careful you are, you can never thwart Murphy's Law. This episode transpired almost 12 years ago, got thrashed out over 8 pages and was finally put to rest until someone decided to (  ) revive it. | |||
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Exactly! It was an accident and could have happened to any of us! Actually, I am surprised this doesn’t happen more often. I have seen videos on the Net where all hell breaks loose once an animal is wounded. On some, they actually scatter all over the place, hunters, more than one PH, cameraman, trackers and so on. Almost asking for it! | |||
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ON a Buffalo hunt in the Selous I was instructed to aim just in front of the right hip on a quarting away shot at 80 yards. My 370 grain Northfork soft from my .416 Rem penetrated all the way from the last rib and lodged in the backbone at the first rib. The Buffalo dropped immediately and then got up and turned broadside and I shot it through both shoulders with a 370 grain Northfork flat nose Solid. He dropped again and then stood up and then dropped for good. We dug out the soft and it was perfectly mushroomed and still had 91% of it's weight. That first bullet destroyed everything in the Buffalo from rear to the neck bone and did it's job perfectly in my opinion as did the solid follow up shot. I learned a lot that day about shot placement and the fact that waiting for the perfect angle is sometimes to late. Good Shooting. phurley | |||
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Very few animals I shot are broadside. Makes no difference. All one has to do is make sure one is using a decent bullet, and make sure it penetrates into the chest cavity, from any angle. A gentleman sitting next to me was saying you should not do that with lions. Told him last 3 lions I shot were not broadside at all! He is laughing!  | |||
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As a young teen. I spent 5 summers living, working with, hunting, shooting practice and listening to his experienced advice as a kid. A high mountain rancher that said he had killed about 350 elk at the time (1949) he shot a buckskin horse out from under one of my Dads hunting partners. "iron sights, too late in the evening to see well enough although he had shot many even later in the same location. This fellow, long dead now, said: "if you do something long enough, sometime you will screw it up, NO one is immune". "Just because you have done something several hundred times successfully, does not mean you can't fuck it up the next time". I have always kept that in mind as very good advice. By the time he died at 90, in 1992. he had killed over 600 elk. Mostly in his hay stack yards in deep snowy winters. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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