I shouldn't, but here goes anyway...

Ray, Mickey, Mac, and others,
Ask yourself 2 questions. Why do I bother? and What would happen if I didn't reply?

You know what I'm talking about.

Oh ASS CLOWN, you are such a bore. We all grow tired of your poser games.

BUTT JESTER

Having killed a few buffalo, but being far from an expert, I'll add this to the thread for what it's worth. I have a video of me shooting a buffalo. The video is anything but professional, the videographer being on her first safari and taking pictures of something other than a birthday party for the first time. Still, it proves one point.... and that is that buffalo can take a bunch of shooting (in pretty good spots) before they die. It is my somewhat unexperienced opinion (suplimented by periodic reviews of the reference DVD.. that I can't figure out how to duplicate) that if you've shot a buffalo, and can still see it... keep on shooting until it quits wiggling.. then shoot it again. That won't stop every charge and since they don't call buff "dangerous game" for no reason, I'm going to do everything I can to avoid personal pain. I'll spare no bullets. Charges will happen, but every bit of lead/copper/or whatever in a buffalo is lessening the odds somewhat.



As for me... a double rifle with a 500 grain bullet at 2100+ f.p.s. and visualizing (and aiming for) the spine, under the chin on shots in excess of 20 yards, the second calculated for the bullet to exit the brain stem ... that would be my choice (the books, PERFECT SHOT and M'bogo or whatever the book published by African Hunter is??? illustrate this very clearly). In other words, I'm not so concerned about the nose or eyes... I want the bullet of my last shot to hit the back of the brain... that is, if I haven't crapped myself to death already. Heck, I wet my britches this June when I sat on a snake of some kind in RSA ( a nasty looking son-of-a-bitch, if I say so, myself)... I guess I just a whimp. Damn buffalo.. they're just as dangerous and unpredictable as a woman. And how many of us haven't been "hooked" by a lady? Yo' pay yo' nickel and you takes yo' chances.



As an afterthought:

1115 and I hunted buffalo together this June. He had studied both books referenced above. He particularly familiarized himself with the PERFECT SHOT. Right after he shot his buff... one through the shoulder and one at the junction of the neck and shoulder, he smiled and said, " I could see the little red dots right where the bullets needed to go." It worked for him.

Martin,

Would you be so kind as to point out to me what I said in any of MY posts on this thread that were meant to be annoying?

Regarding the handle, let's just say the reasons far predate your arrival at AR.

Thanks,

ASS_CLOWN

" Would you be so kind as to point out to me what I said in any of MY posts on this thread that were meant to be annoying? "

Mainly your questioning of the experience of some of the posters here, without giving any proofs of them being untruthful, in connection with the tone you use. You give an impression of posting for your own enjoyment, not for the benefit of your fellow AR-members, and you seems to take a pleasure in stirring the pot instead of contributing to the discussion.

" Regarding the handle, let's just say the reasons far predate your arrival at AR. "

I have only been here for three years so I guess almost all handles used here predates my arrival in some sense. However, the reasons behind your handle could predate the destruction of the Temple, without me liking it any better.

/Martin

That V is going to be bobbing too.

The bobbing of the head may be slightly more pronounced than the V but not as extreme as most bouncing tennis balls. Actually, most charging buffalo keep their heads pretty stable and pointed right at you, nose first. They are not bucking rodeo bulls.

Aiming at the nose keeps one in the center of the vertical axis, and between V and brain.

If the nose bobbs up the V or spine might be hit, in a low miss.

If the nose bobbs down, the brain or spine might be hit in a high miss.

Aiming at the nose is like shotgunning all three areas (V, brain, spine) in a vertical spread, as long as the buffalo is not faking/feinting right and left as he comes.

Shoot early and shoot often. And visualize those red dot exit wounds.

Up the nose starting at 50 yards. Stay regular and evacuate bowels outside of trousers before setting out for buffalo.

Martin,

I have not questioned anyone's experience, at least I did not think I was. I did point out that many of the answers are too specific. I have noticed that several other posters on this thread seem to share my sentiments in this regard.

I fact, it seems my experience has been called into question, something which pleases me to no end!

I only stir the pot when someone else brings it forth. Kinda like the old saying, "let sleeping dogs lay". They kicked the "dog" not I.

ASS_CLOWN

Dan,

You shure gotta purdy mouth boy! Do you squeal like a pig?

ASS_CLOWN

500grains
Don't be messing with those people.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Walter was reading this thread over my shoulders - he is not allowed to even TOUCH my computer - and he said something very true.

He said we are all talking a load of bloody bullshit, as none of us have any great experience of stopping charging buffalos!

His idea of experience is having been charged by "hundreds and hundreds" of buffalo, and stopping every single one of them, otherwise we won't be able to write about it.

There you have it, the genius has spoken.

Ray,

He started refering to you as "my friend Ray"! Whenever he does this he wants something, so you might wish to be on the look out when you meet him in 23 days

Saeed,
Yep,
Bloody bullshit, that's what it is all about, this gossip by a bunch of little old ladies over the backyard fence.

Tell Walter that was a good one!

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First off, Bwanamich , my post is not theory, but the result of practice on cape Buffalo!

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I WAS REFERRING TO MY POST BEING MORE THEORY! NO NEED TO BE DEFENSIVE

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You are wrong! the nose is NOT VERTICAL to the ground, and the route to the brain is only 3, or 4 inches above the route to the spine, and no wider! The width of the nose pad, being the width of the brain, and the spine as well. But if the nose is missed by 3" on either side, nothing is hit, but the ears, or horn, and is above the point of the shoulder, for a wider shot!

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WHAT I MEANT IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE BUFFALO CHARGE WITH THEIR NOSE IN THE AIR OR STRAIGHT UP. THE NOSE IS BELOW THE LINE OF THE BOSS WHICH IS WHERE THE BRAIN LIES! IF YOU SHOOT IT IN THE NOSE YOU MAY HIT THE SPINE IF YOU GET STRAIGHT LINE PENETRATION, BUT YOU WON'T HIT THE BRAIN!

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I can understand the theory behind hitting the neck spine below the chin but in all honesty, the neck vertebrae are maybe 4-6 inches in diametre located in the middle of a neck that is perhaps 2 feet wide. If your shot hits 3 inches to either side of the middle of the neck you will certainly miss the spine! The brain is larger in cross section then the diametre of the spine!

First off the target is far larger than two feet wide! If a little to one side or the other,on the under the chin shot, a lung, or shoulder joint can be hit, and 3" right or left will usually shock the spinal collume enough to fell, turn, or slow him! The brain is NOT larger in crosssection than the spinal collume, and is harder to hit, till he is very close!

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I THOUGHT 15 FEET (4.5 METERS) QUALIFIED AS "VERY CLOSE"! I DOUBT THAT AT THAT DISTANCE YOU WILL HAVE A CLEAR LINE TO THE SPINE SHOOTING UNDER THE CHIN! MORE LIKELY YOU WILL HIT THE LUNG/HEART WHICH IS NOT A STOPPER.

Will mentioned these photos and descriptions in an earlier post. Maybe they will help a little.


The following photographs illustrate the aiming points to the brain and spine if shooting a buffalo from the front when he is facing you.



Bullet path when aiming for tip of nose (imaginary, starting point of red line in photo). Lower shots will either hit brain or spinal cord if centered.

Note how a shot from the side can not enter attempt to reachthe brain due to the position of the down swept horns.




Bullet path when buff has head lowered, in normal position




Three different bullet paths when buff has his nose in the air. Top one will probably miss brain (dark area). Notice cellular structure of upper skull, similar to that of elephant

NitroX,



That is an excellent post! You have shown the shot placement for a 50 yard head on shot, as well as, the 5 yard "OH SHIT" shot.



Saeed,



There is truth in your words!



Alf,



There is much truth in your words too! However, the training is, in my opinion, the easy part. No degree of training can prepare you for the "fear" you will have to control to get the job done when the proverbial dung hits the fan. It is the controlling of one's fear which I believe most will find difficult in the very limited time available to manage the "charge".



Training and drill (practice) will help one control their fear as things SHOULD be more automatic, but I find it seldom works quite that way.



ASS_CLOWN

NitroX,

I give credit to both you and Will! Afterall, you finally posted them here!

ASS_CLOWN

I was amazed at the placement of a buffalo's spine when I saw my first one dressed out. Look where you would think the spine runs along the neck from the horns, then where it really is inside the animal. While this is not a pretty picture, it does illustrated how the spine dips down;and, look at the size of that artery!

40 to 50 yd.. charge kneel down on one knee and fire at every ten yds approx.you have a straight in aim for chest,, neck, spine and save the last shot if he makes it to 5 yards and give it to him at 12 feet...muzzle blast and all

Mike

Now that is interresting DR458 since you and ASS CLOWN are one in the same, damn boy your dumber than a box of hammers!

Whoa there Ray!!! I am not this DR458 character! How would you like me running around calling you William E Tibbe? This DR458 is a low grade troll, nothing more.

I'd bet he wouldn't even know what a cape buffalo looked like if he saw one.

ASS_CLOWN

That's a awful insult to a tool that works for a living Ray !

Mike,
me thinking:you dont want to give up that easy
what about putting on the bayonet before kneeling down.

Ray,

My hammers are highly offended and want an apology!

Mike

Retriever

At 30 mph a Buff will travel 44 feet/second. You must be greased lightning with that bolt rifle to shoot it every 3/4 of a second.

Mick,

My intent was that if the first shot was a good hit at 40 or 50 yds. by the time he made it to 10 to 15 he would be staggering and slowed down..
Yes I agree about his speed..but a good shot has to be made first..All the gun in the world is no good if one cannot hit the target... Or know where to place the bullet...

Mike