GREAT POST !!

A good example of some real knowledge coming out of the woodwork. 52 days until I leave. Hope to not need the info., but believe me I will read it over a few more times. Then look through the Perfect Shot a few times after that.

Two buffs, no charges, but my (unsupported) theory goes like this:
Double rifle - 400 or better. Open sights for sure.
Don't worry about reloading.
First shot goes into the likeliest target - heart,neck, sump'n vital.
Second shot goes top of nose or between eyes, depending on angle. Maybe spine, if he's really close. :<
If then able, change underwear as soon as practicable.

I recall a Jack O'Connor story about "Buffalo Shoot Back". Simple enough situation. He shot it in the shoulder from the side, got heart/lungs as it was lying down. 450 Ackley as I recall. Put one more in for insurance. Buff is clearly dead. While walking up, he and his PH were greatly surprised to find a charging buffalo close in front of them !! After they shot him a few more times, O'Connor sat down and was shaking so badly, he couldn't light his own cigarette.

I read that story somewhere in the early '60s and it was the generator of my dream to someday hunt Africa. And, Buffalo.

Kyler, nice to see your post, and your brutal honesty about the difficulty of a really competent and prepared shooter putting one or two into the vitals in a real charge. Food for thought !!

Shit placement on charging buffalo?
never been there myself, but I imagine I'd place mine all over the inside of my pants

mdv1st...Great Reply!!

Martin

Can I have some more pop-corn I am all out ! And some beer to wash it down please.

It is all real simple. Just do like Mark Sullivan does. Wait until the buffalo gets real close then fire a well placed bullet from a really big gun end of story.
All it takes is that you keep very cool in the moment of truth. But very few people can do just that, again and again.
Like Mark says "IT takes a little... special initiative" to walk up to a wunded buffalo
I have no personal experience with Buffalo hunting / chraging but have been in many dangerous situations where I had the choise of doing it or not doing it and it just feels right for me to DO IT. It triggers something primitive in me.
I undestand why Mark does what he does and I respect it. He is doing himself the favour of feeling alive, in his own special way.

Cheers,

Andr�

I thought we are discussing REAL buffalo charges, not the MS versions

Saeed

I know they are provoked and "fake" but they are still something to study.
Maybe he is just practiceing

Cheers,

Andr�

I think we have all of MS videos here.

We watch them to learn how NOT to hunt buffalo

Interesting reading. I expected more posts from people like Ganyana, that have been there, done that!

Although I have not been there, I have hunted a lot of buff and to my good fortune was always able to avoid such a situation.
I have often wondered where I would aim in case of a charge and made up my mind that I would aim for the brain as opposed the spine! The heart shot on a charge to me seems pointless as I have seen buffalo cover a lot of ground at full speed with a bullet through the heart to know that it would NOT stop them!
Of course this might change should I actually find myself in such a situation depending on the circumstances of the charge but personally I find that aiming for the brain "narrows" my target as the point of aim is much clearer to me than aiming for the spine.
I believe that as a buffalo gallops towards you, his chest/neck area is constantly "bouncing" up and down by the motion of his stride whereas the head will "bounce" less thereby offering a more "steady" target to shoot at.

Therefore, "just below the chin" could end up being too low and just hit the chest which will NOT stop the charge and if you hit above the chin, the bullet will hit the nose and might not hold its course for the spine.

I understand that all the above is really academic but it does indicate - to me at least - that a brain shot would be an "easier" target (for want of a better word!).

I just wish I can get hold of a larger caliber than my current .375 before I find myself having to deal with such a situation

Saeed

I watch them for the entertainment value.
When I will be going on my buffalo hunt I will do it the classic way. Try to get close for a first shot 35-80 m and then unload my .500 as he runs away
As for the follow up I will do as my PH instructs.

Cheers,

Andr�

Saeed as much as we all don't subscribe to MS way of hunting, the charges he has had to face are real and are some of the very few photo/video evidence we have to "learn" from. I certainly wouldn't do what he does to provoke a charge but it gives me an idea of what to expect or attempt to do to stop a charge. Use enough gun, keep your nerves, shoot straight and hit the brain or spine! Easier said then done....

Ganyana

I want to pick your mind a bit, I know you like and use a 9.3x62 say for a charging buff, you are going out after buff don't know where how or when but you know the chances are very good that you will be charged, what bullet combenation will you use in the 9.3

thanks

Cheers

Flip

The reason I chose this post to which to respond was the first few words. When the shit hits the fan, gentlemen, you will quickly find out whether or not you can keep your cool and do what is necessary. Many of you have much more experience at the game of hunting than do I, but I have actually been charged by a buff that wanted to do great bodily harm to me, and I survived. That I survived is all that it is necessary to say, but I will add a bit more.



If you hunt long enough and take enough shots at game, you will eventually wound an animal that manages to get away and have to be tracked to conclusion. You should spend your time that you spend doing such things, praying that the animal in question is not a Cape buffalo. I have been charged by a wounded black bear, and the experience pales in comparison. By the way, I was not the hunter who originally gut-shot the bear, but was following up the shot with the guide when this happened, but that is entirely another story.



After the whole thing is over, you kick yourself repeatedly, or if not double jointed enough to do the job yourself, hire someone else to do the kicking for you. Usually there will be volunteers for the job, perhaps the PH who squired you on your quest for Cape monster. If you have a wounded buffalo on your hands, as I did, you have nobody to blame but yourself for messing up the first shot. I do envy those of you that have never messed one up.



Now that the above has been said, here is the photo. Please look carefully at the right side (his right) of the nose of the buff and you will see where the first shot I fired (after the charge began) hit him. Distance was about 20 paces.





When the moment of truth or consequences is upon you, you raise your rifle and aim as best you can for the best target you have at the moment and pull the trigger as best and as smoothly as several quarts of adrenalin will allow you to do. All of the academic discussions of what to do when the time arises are basically worthless at that moment. You will do what you will do because of how you are trained to act in such a situation. This training can be formal or informal. The formal type would include military or other weapons work. The informal type would be your hunting experience and how much time you have put in practicing with your various firearms. I am not sure one can have too much of the latter. I am just as unsure of what benefit is conveyed by the former. Let the debate begin on that aspect.

Flip

Two points. I use a 9,3 because one of the sons of darkness put a 7.62 bullet through my right shoulder! I own a .404 but every time I fire it, I have to book a visit to the physio and take some propon! The surgeon has had to replace the bolt that holds the arm to the socket twice. That siat though, the reason I own a .404, and until I got married a .450NE, is that when things are going wrong a 9,3 is awfully small. The operational plan is to carry the 9,3 and if needed swap to the .404 when necessary (like a follow up). Just things have never quite worked out that way and have never shot an animal with the .404, .450 or any of the other cannons I have owned.

I use Woodleigh solids and some bonded core, flat nosed softs that Ken Stuart in South Africa made for me. When I started out on the buffalo erradication I had a government issue bruno (CZ) 9,3 and a choice of ancient kynock ammo or fresh RWS TUG's. Opted for the TUG's. All penetrated sufficiently to brain or spine the largest bull.

In reply to an earlier question on open vs scope sights. I aways used a ghost ring sight once I bought my own rifle (a Mauser factory original). Lately I have been playing with a surefire red dot and a Leopold 1-4 scope on the new Dumulion rifle I have. Conclusion:- The sight is irrelevant, provided the rifle fits and the sight does not obstruct access to the bolt handle. At 10 paces in less than a second- who has time for sights. Keep both eyes open look at the target and put the bullet there. Most scopes though obstruct acces to the bolt- even if only slightly and that I don't like.

It is also the reason why I dislike many heavy rifles like A square. Delightful to shoot, but impossible to snap shoot with. The rifle you need to deal with a charge must point as well as any ten grand trap shotgun.

I used to practice extensively with my F.N. FAL, for night contact work (when you cannot see the sights anyway), and the closest I came to getting stomped by a buff was on a night excersise with some trainee PH's and a new ranger. The buff charged from about 40 m. 17 .375 rounds and 3 .404 rounds went crashing in its direction (a fair number hitting), untill it reached about 10 paces. Then the game scout holding the spotlight paniced, threw the light at the buff and took off running. I could just make out the outline of the buff against the sky and decided it was time to intervine or somebody was going to get hurt. I wasn't planning on shooting anything and only had my F.N. A tripple tap got the spine and the brain. Next morning, following up another animal that had unfortunately been wounded in the "contact" I walked right passed the wounded one that had circled round and layed up behind an ant heap. I was concentrating on the bush ahead whilst a game scout followed the spoor. Tracks lead straight ahead through open grassland- but the buff came from behind. I double tapped it in the spine at about ten paces.

My experience is that a great rifle that you can point shoot well is far more important than caliber. Balance is everything and don't give me any rifle weighing much over 8lbs unless it is an F.N.

Lastly, The nicest clients are those who can shoot. I don't like to even unsling my rifle. I would rather watch through my Bino's and enjoy the hunt than have to worry about backing up the client.

Flip

Two points. I use a 9,3 because one of the sons of darkness put a 7.62 bullet through my right shoulder! I own a .404 but every time I fire it, I have to book a visit to the physio and take some propon! The surgeon has had to replace the bolt that holds the arm to the socket twice. That siat though, the reason I own a .404, and until I got married a .450NE, is that when things are going wrong a 9,3 is awfully small. The operational plan is to carry the 9,3 and if needed swap to the .404 when necessary (like a follow up). Just things have never quite worked out that way and have never shot an animal with the .404, .450 or any of the other cannons I have owned.

I use Woodleigh solids and some bonded core, flat nosed softs that Ken Stuart in South Africa made for me. When I started out on the buffalo erradication I had a government issue bruno (CZ) 9,3 and a choice of ancient kynock ammo or fresh RWS TUG's. Opted for the TUG's. All penetrated sufficiently to brain or spine the largest bull.

In reply to an earlier question on open vs scope sights. I aways used a ghost ring sight once I bought my own rifle (a Mauser factory original). Lately I have been playing with a surefire red dot and a Leopold 1-4 scope on the new Dumulion rifle I have. Conclusion:- The sight is irrelevant, provided the rifle fits and the sight does not obstruct access to the bolt handle. At 10 paces in less than a second- who has time for sights. Keep both eyes open look at the target and put the bullet there. Most scopes though obstruct acces to the bolt- even if only slightly and that I don't like.

It is also the reason why I dislike many heavy rifles like A square. Delightful to shoot, but impossible to snap shoot with. The rifle you need to deal with a charge must point as well as any ten grand trap shotgun.

I used to practice extensively with my F.N. FAL, for night contact work (when you cannot see the sights anyway), and the closest I came to getting stomped by a buff was on a night excersise with some trainee PH's and a new ranger. The buff charged from about 40 m. 17 .375 rounds and 3 .404 rounds went crashing in its direction (a fair number hitting), untill it reached about 10 paces. Then the game scout holding the spotlight paniced, threw the light at the buff and took off running. I could just make out the outline of the buff against the sky and decided it was time to intervine or somebody was going to get hurt. I wasn't planning on shooting anything and only had my F.N. A tripple tap got the spine and the brain. Next morning, following up another animal that had unfortunately been wounded in the "contact" I walked right passed the wounded one that had circled round and layed up behind an ant heap. I was concentrating on the bush ahead whilst a game scout followed the spoor. Tracks lead straight ahead through open grassland- but the buff came from behind. I double tapped it in the spine at about ten paces.

My experience is that a great rifle that you can point shoot well is far more important than caliber. Balance is everything and don't give me any rifle weighing much over 8lbs unless it is an F.N.

Lastly, The nicest clients are those who can shoot. I don't like to even unsling my rifle. I would rather watch through my Bino's and enjoy the hunt than have to worry about backing up the client. I don't care if the client is using a 30-06 provided I have confidence in his ability to put it where it counts first time

Nice story
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Cheers,

Andr�

Wow, those eradication programs are a bit annoying as we push the animals out of their own habitat as they are no longer 'suitable'....but I think every guy here would give his left nad to accompany you on your duties!

My one time business partner and ex ph in RSA, previously Tanzania, told me to aim for the nose on a charge. He didn't elaborate on why and I never had to find out if he was right.

More theory:

To me I can't see how a bullet hitting the nose of a buff that is at 15 yds is going to reach the brain as the bridge of the head, IMO, will be vertical to the ground and hence will be 12-14 inches below where the brain is located? Maybe I am wrong but I don't believe buffalo charge with their nose up!

I can understand the theory behind hitting the neck spine below the chin but in all honesty, the neck vertebrae are maybe 4-6 inches in diametre located in the middle of a neck that is perhaps 2 feet wide. If your shot hits 3 inches to either side of the middle of the neck you will certainly miss the spine! The brain is larger in cross section then the diametre of the spine!

Depending on how sick a buff is during his charge will make a difference...but if he is in fair to middlin shape and you intend to wait until he cocks his head and lowers the horn so that you can shoot him down through the boss, I hope to hell that shot is good because if he lifts his head your going to be on it.....Last year with Pierre I shot my bull twice in the shoulder and he took a big circle out on the burned vuga and got our wind and charged, at about 30 yards or a bit more I stuck a Bridger flat nose solid from my .416 in the sticking spot, the V in his neck and it looked like the ground was jerked out from under him, he hit the ground dead, so I wouldn't underestamate the chest shot, its a good shot and much easier to make under real world conditions, save the head shot until he is close enough that you can't or shouldn't miss...I point shoot up to about 20 yards, but I practice that shot a lot..Every time I go to the range I will fire a few point and shoot shots..This is iron sight territory IMO, I want no scope on my rifle up close...

If I hunt Buffalo I have some one carry my scoped 375, 9.3x62, 416 or 404 whichever one I am using that year, and I carry my iron sighted double...I like to hunt Buff with iron sights, but you never know when you might see a big sable or Kudu or whatever at extended range and sometime on the burn in Tanzania you could very well see a monster Buffalo at long range and no way to close on him, then the scoped rifle will come into play...This also is a very good reason to have QD scope mounts..When following up a Buff in the tall grass, I always take my scope off..

ASS CLOWN, your right, judging from your posts I don't think you have shot much of anything..I get the impression that your an internet junky and research each post and pass that information on, be it fact or fiction...

Damn Ray, you got me pegged and good!! I think I have you pegged too. I am just an internet junky, yup that's it, an internet junky. Hey, how many buffalo have you shot anyway?

ASS_CLOWN

I've got both of you pegged. Ray is an honest, no nonsense business man. Ass Clown is...well, an Ass Clown.....and first and foremost a pathological liar.

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Ray you would get a real laugh out of the clown latest streak of lies down in Big Bores and Gunsmithing. He's having a melt down trying to keep up with his lies about what guns he has and doesn't have.
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Scott - (Ass Clown) You've been asking if you should change your member name again. I think you should. Change it to Pathalogic Liar because you've become so stupid and old with your crap that you are not funny any more.

MacD37. Thanks for answering my questions! Based on the thread I had a feeling that the spine curved way down, but wasn't sure. Will check my "Perfect Shot" when I get home.
peter.

Mac,
No reference to you in my post..I know an African and I have seen MS do this shoot'em down through the boss at the moment of truth, a good shot if its a must, but I was suggesting sorting out the affair before it gets to that point..fortunatly or unfortunately, depending on your makeup we seldom have to deal with charges...At any rate you know I respect your knowledge and know your real, I would never question you on such subjects.

ASS CLOWN,
I don't feel obligated to tell you how many Buffalo I have shot but I'd bet dollars to donuts, I can beat your score by 100...and there are people on this board who know about how many I have shot and I know of no one that knows how many you have shot or that you even exist, we have certainly heard a lot of talk, but no pics, just your constant yammering BS...even then we'd have no reason to believe it was you, since your from no place and have no real name, address, tel. no. etc...If you want recognition then crawl out from under your rock and identify yourself and tell us your experience. In other words stand up and be counted...Everyone knows me and I take a hammering from time to time, but I don't hide behind my idenity..By doing so you show yourself to be a internet trol, and I suspect that we have delt with you in the past under many names..You really have all the qualities and sound of Bill Tibbe IMO.

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ASS_CLOWN

Ganyana, Ray ect...
If you get a good V shot in at close range, say 5 yds or so, why not take a dive into the bushes? I've yet to hear anyone tell of a buff that come back at you after that shot, but getting run over, even by a dead-on-it's-feet buff would hurt.
I've been chased by enough plain variety bulls to know they can be dodged, so why not?

Ray,

Since you insisted.

My Win M94 30-30:



Close-up of the barrel designating chambering:



Business end of my 500 Jeffery:



This is me holding the 500 Jeffery:



Enough proof??

ASS_CLOWN

TSJ,
Several things come to mind, one that you probably cannot take a chest V shot at 5 yards as the head is in the way as I recall..secondly a cape buffalo isn't yo daddys Hereford, believe that, and I'm an old cowboy..

Dodging a buffalo is a possibility, but more difficult than dodging a Brahman or whatever, and a Cape Buffalo will definatly turn around and come back for you, he will hunt you down and kill you...also the horns are very hard to escape and you almost invaribly get gored in the crotch up into the abdoman or in the theigh which is even worse as your femur artery is there...He will continue to toss you and mop up ground with you until there is little of you left unless he is killed...My good friend Johan Calitz was gored year before last I believe thats right, and was a year plus convolesing and still has some lost use of his eye and right hand, and he is one of the most famous PHs in Africa, conducts a PH school and hunts full time in Botswana and Mozambique...

At very close range I definatly want to brain or spine a buff and get that instant kill, he can live a long time shot in the heart/lungs..That is a mistake that has been fatal to more than a few over the last century or two...Up close its pretty easy to make that shot by point shooting, unless things go to hell in a bread basket, and that can happen, when it does you sidestep hard and far and then fate decides the outcome.

Doctari tells me that if a bullet hits the heart of a charging or running buffalo at the same instant that his front feet hit the ground, it will be an instant kill..but we both agreed that that kind of timing is impractical to anyone but a team roper who ropes the heels, I added that last part there is a correlation there.

One thing that I am pretty sure of and that is once a Buffalo begins his charge, only death will stop him..I don't believe they quit and wonder off..

At least thats my opinnion...Ganyana may have something to add or subtract from my post and I would tend to yeld to his experience in such matters.

Ass Clown, I have a few questions regarding your recent flurry of pictures if you don't mind.

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Scott, is that the bottle you use to get your "hunting experience" from?

Were these pictures taken in the little basement apartment you live in under your parent's house?

Finally, where did you learn to hold a rifle like that? The Girl Scouts? You look like a faggot trying to strike a pose.

Get a life. A REAL one. You already have several imaginary ones.

Ray,
I've never had a buff charge, and even if I did one or two would tell a person ... nothing. I'm going on the lifetime experiances of folks like Tony Henley and many more that say a heart shot buff, even if it runs you over will not hook or come back at you.
About 20 years ago I had the chance to do some free labour work with a vet at KNP, under head warden Pat Wolfe. It included blood tests on some live captured buff. there was some very skillfull dodgeing going on that day!

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Lets see, we have a Ruger catalog circa 2003, an old Shotgun News, an old Midway USA catalog, and an old Cabela's catalog. No Pecos that is not the library that I take my knowledge from. Although, I suspect the data contained within just those references far surpasses the knowledge of some of the so-called experts here at AR!

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Showing your ignorance again I see. That is how one holds a rifle OFF HAND. Off hand referring to the absence of a bench and bags!

I suggest it is you who needs to get a "real life" as you call it. There are few others here at AR you should take with you, when you go in search of a "real life".

Pecos, you ask for pictures of my rifles. You ask for a picture of me holding one of my rifles. I come through and comply with your request and this is how you respond.

Ray, hunting pictures will most likely get an even BIGGER negative barrage of BS posts like this one of Pecos'. So I do not feel obligated to post any pictures of hunts, or supply any specific details. The AR freaks would all go insane and in the end it would serve no true purpose. Other than to feed the wackos here with all kinds of trolling ammo.

ASS_CLOWN

Nothing in hunting is predictable, especially with buffalo. They are not very bright, and can be relied upon to not follow the book.

Buff's boss varies greatly. On one cull we had a .458 win bullet recochet off an old bulls boss and kill an Honory Parks officer who was in the helicopter overhead.

The buffalo erradication programme was Stuart Hargreaves (director of Vetinary Services) greatest insult to conservation. Stuart is a cattle man, and buffalo were percieved as a threat to cattle. Foot and mouth disease you know. Never mind that not one single cow ever got FMD from buffalo the threat is there. Kill the buffalo.

Same problem with the "transfrontier park" Kruger has TB in the Buffalo, we shoot a game free corridor 10km wide along the border with Kruger park. Wonderful way to have a transfrontier park!!!!

ASS CLOWN,
Your best described as a blender with the top off...

There is only one "AR freak" on this talk show and thats you young man...You talk yourself into more corners than anyone I know, then whine like a baby when caught red handed...

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What corner did I talk myself into? You made a categorical statement about shot placement on buffalo that is only true in ONE scenario! If anyone talked themselves into a corner, it is you my friend.

The whining and name-calling is coming from those that have stated I was a pathological liar, these individuals have been proven wrong so many times, by my posting of pictures, that it simply is no longer funny. Seriously, the pathological liar / prove it with pictures statements, has truly entered the realm of sadly pathetic.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not cryin' about the name-calling, quite the contrary, I am revelling in it! The more pathetic these individuals get, more humorous I find the entire exchange. Seriously, these libelous, unfounded accusation about me, made by many here at AR, you sometimes included, are a source of practically endless amusement for my friends and I!

Carry on.



ASS_CLOWN

ASS CLOWN,
And there in lies the truth, all your replies are for the entertainment of you and your friends..This may be the only time we hear the truth from you I suspect...You are truly a Trol of the highest order...and dumber than a box of rocks.

Ray,
You have it backward. It is your replies, and those like them, that are for the benefit of my friends and I!

MacD, if you hit a cape buffalo in the CNS he dies just EXACTLY as quickly as a milk cow shot in the CNS! That is a FACT, and you can take it to the bank!

What I find so immensely hilarious about this thread is the stuck up attitude of a couple of know-it-alls who seem to think they are the ONLY people that have shot buffalo. At a range of 5 yards or less you have about ~ 1 second before impact, you simply point at the head and fire! Many people will simply freeze, and hopefully the PH or someone else is able to stop or divert the charge before the collision occurs. Of course I have never shot a living creature so I don't have a clue of what I speak . Unlike Ray and his hundreds of buffalo kills.

The best thing anyone can do to prepare for this contingency is to STUDY the structure of the buffalo's skull. Completely familize yourself with the location of the brain within the skull. Make sure you know the brain's location with reference to the boss, eyes, and nostrils, when the head is in various positions. Only by knowing this can you make the brain shot. How you handle the pressure is the only wildcard left, then. Believe me, it can be a difficult card to play! Then again, I have no experience in such manners, and am speaking from what I read in a book (funny I don't seem to recall owning any safari books).

If I am a troll, oh well, what do you expect from a guy named "ASS_CLOWN" for cryin' out loud.

ASS_CLOWN

Sticking to the original question, I'm not one to get distracted by non-sence. I have been told that the nose is the spot and too wait til the last possible second to shoot. I was doubtful of this until I took a skull and started looking at it in the butchery and sure enough there is a nice tunnel right to the brain from the nose with vety little in the way. It seemed that if it was shot above the nose the skull plate could perhaps be at an angle enough to cause a richochet and really uoset things forth comming. From the nose to the brain is for the most part soft tissue.

A CNS shot will stop the charge, a heart shot might stop it, and shooting the boss will only make things worse. With that in mind I'll pop it in the nose everytime.

Handling a charge is like answereing a original question in a thread. If you stick to the matter at hand it wont get out of hand.

I'll agree with LV Eric. That gets you vertically in line to hit either brain or spine as the buffalo starts his charge coming right at you, regardless of the angle up or down that he is carrying the head, within the usual inclinations. Yep, hit him on the nose and hope the nasal funnel leads to the brain or spine.



But I will start shooting anywhere inside of 50 yards and hope to recover in time to get a second shot.



However if it is just one second to impact and the head is down into ramming position, I will aim to part his bosses in the cleavage line, where hair ends and horn starts.



Of course it all depends, there are no absolutes, and everything is relative. Ye Olde Viking Rules of Ruin.