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Have any of you had tusks taken in Africa mounted on stands over there and then shipped to the States? Any trouble clearing USF&W? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | ||
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My understanding is that you can't do it. | |||
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I WAS ADVISED LAST YEAR WHEN IN HUNTED IN BOTSWANA THAT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE AT THE TIME. I HAD THE IVORY SHIPPED HERE AND THEM MOUNTED. MARK | |||
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Hi Frostbit... We have exported over 50 sets of ivory last year into the US and continue to do so without any hassle. If you would like any further detailed information on this please contact me on cuan@tci.co.zw or visit www.tci.co.zw | |||
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As we all know, USF&WS are a right bunch of awkward bastards and (IIRC) there has been cases in the past where people have tried to import sport hunted ivory that had been fitted with base mounts but the applicant had failed to tick the right box on the permit to show the tusks were mounted and USF&WS had used that as an excuse to make life difficult for the importer. I guess one way over it might be to import the tusks alone as one consignment and mounts as an entirely separate consignment and then just drop the tusks into the mounts when you have them safely at home. | |||
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http://www.huntingreport.com/c...ion_force.cfm?id=265 Worked Elephant Ivory Tusks Not Importable: US Court Holds Import Violated Four Laws and Orders Forfeiture of Zimbabwe Elephant Tusk Written By John J. Jackson III, Conservation Force Chairman & President(posted December 2012) After two years of litigation, the US District Court in the Eastern District of New York upheld seizure and ordered forfeiture of a scrimshawed elephant tusk imported from Zimbabwe. This is the definitive case on the import of worked elephant tusks under the new definition of “trophy” adopted by US Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) in 2007. Under that definition, you’ll recall, no “worked” or embellished animal part is a trophy. The Court found import of the aforementioned tusk absolutely prohibited. Furthermore, the USFWS argued that this ivory import was four separate violations, and the Court deferred to the position and arguments of the agency on each violation. Graham Kent Fuller took his elephant on safari in Zimbabwe before the USFWS changed its definition of “trophy” to exclude “worked” or “crafted” parts of trophies. He also had the substantially larger of the two tusks scrimshawed on one face with the “Big Five” because the tusks were not symmetrical enough for display together. This too was done before the new USFWS “trophy” definition. The Federal Register notice of the 2007 change in the definition of “trophy” states that the change does not mean the worked/crafted part can no longer be imported. Rather, it can still be imported if coded “P” for personal, non-commercial use, instead of “T” for trophy in the Purpose section of the CITES export permit. In a good faith effort to comply, the Zimbabwe authorities did purpose code the export permit “P,” but to no avail. This case clarifies that the “P” code will not cure a worked trophy part if it is ivory. The USFWS took the position that even though the Zimbabwe elephant is on Appendix II of CITES, Fuller’s tusk was not on Appendix II because the downlisting at CoP 9 in Harare was with an “annotation” that it was only for “trophy” trade and certain other items and for all other trade those elephants remain on Appendix I of CITES. We argued that the US could not unilaterally change the listing of a species by changing its own definition of a trophy part. The meaning of “trophy” to the Parties to CITES governs its listing, not a later US definition. The after-the-fact US definition can’t change the intent of the CoP or meaning of the Parties without the passage of a new proposal by a two-thirds vote of those voting at a CoP. Our argument was to no avail, even though the Parties had passed a regulation at the time of downlisting that as long as a tusk remained whole it was to be treated as a raw, whole tusk – not worked ivory. Another rather ironic fact is the annotation for Zimbabwe includes more than “trade in hunting trophies for non-commercial purposes.” It includes trade in “ivory carvings for non-commercial purposes.” This ivory carving annotation has existed in the listing of Zimbabwe elephant since it was first downlisted, and remained part of the annotation each time it became an issue at CoPs, including in 2000 and 2007. Thus ivory carvings from a trophy should be on Appendix II despite the seizure and Court decision. The first violation cited by USFWS was that the Zimbabwe CITES export permit was invalid because that permit misstated the tusk was on Appendix II. The position was that the trophy had been converted by the working on the tusk. Of no avail were arguments over the position of the other 170 Parties, the long-term practice, or how the Act of State Doctrine required the USFWS honor the official acts of other governments, namely the act of the Zimbabwe government in this case. The Court held that the Zimbabwe export permit should have said the tusk was Appendix I, not Appendix II, and that was a violation that invalidated the Zimbabwe export permit. Second, the import required a CITES import permit from USFWS because the working/crafting of the tusk converted it to an Appendix I item at the time of import. Importing without an import permit was also a violation of the Endangered Species Act that enforces CITES. The fact that the USFWS had denied import permit applications of other worked ivory was no defense. The USFWS will not grant import permits for import of worked ivory purpose coded “P” even though the Federal Register notice that accompanied the Final Rule for the 2007 regulations states the “working” will not prevent import if coded “P.” The USFWS position is that the annotation in the downlisting speaks for itself, i.e. if not a “trophy” it is on Appendix I, so a USFWS import permit is necessary even if USFWS will not grant the permit. Bottom line: You are free to have your ivory crafted after US entry, but not before the import. The third violation was of the Special Regulation under the ESA for import of elephant hunting trophies. That regulation, 50 CFR 17.40(e), only allows import of elephant “trophies.” Because the elephant is listed as threatened under the ESA, import must comply with the special regulation, i.e. it must be a “trophy” at the time of import, otherwise import is prohibited. The argument that non-commercial trade of Appendix II listed species is exempt from regulation by the ESA, section 9(c)(2), was also to no avail because the tusk had been converted to an Appendix I species by the crafting, according to USFWS. USFWS argued if on Appendix II, then the Special Regulation is not applicable, but the scrimshawing converted the tusk to Appendix I. The fourth violation was of the African Elephant Conservation Act (AECA). That is the Act of Congress that prohibits all ivory imports but expressly exempts sport hunting trophies from its prohibition. Since it was no longer a trophy, import was absolutely and unconditionally prohibited. This was an even greater surprise. In the hearings to establish the AECA, the committee had made two things clear. First, they preferred that ivory tusks be worked in the African nation over the US as a conservation incentive for those who must both tolerate and protect the elephant, particularly Zimbabwe’s CAMPFIRE program, as was the case with this elephant. Second, the committee outright stated that the term “trophy” was to have its ordinary meaning and not to be messed with by the USFWS, i.e. a trophy is ivory taken on a regulated safari hunt for personal use. In effect, the definition of “trophy” was changed by USFWS in the AECA contrary to decades of practice, without a rulemaking process or express notice, and contrary to the intent of Congress. Although the 2007 definition was in the CITES section of the USFWS regulations and represented to be a CITES regulation, its meaning was carried over to the AECA and made applicable to the statute of Congress. Even though Congress had chosen not to define “trophy,” the USFWS did it indirectly. The fact that the Parties at the last CoP of CITES revised the pertinent Resolution to expressly clarify that trophies include “manufactured” (crafted/worked) parts of the animal and that the USFWS has since formally proposed returning to the customary meaning of the term was to no avail. The published proposal by the USFWS to return to the traditional definition of “trophy” does not mention elephant ivory at all, but neither did the 2007 regulation. The fact that the tusk was whole, permanently numbered and fully identifiable with the big game hunt made no difference. It was the letter of the trophy definition regulation that governed. No one in the industry expected that the 2007 change in definition would be used to claim changes to the listing category of the elephant or apply to the African Elephant Conservation Act and Special Rule for elephant as well as CITES. There is scant suggestion of that in the notices published in the Federal Register nor in the correspondence to Zimbabwe and other African nations. Note that the same absolute prohibition probably applies to white rhino horn in South Africa, which is also downlisted with an annotation that trade is still on Appendix I for all other unspecified purposes other than trophies. Though there is no Special Rule or AECA for rhino horn, if it is not a trophy or non-commercial live trade, the white rhino is on Appendix I just like Zimbabwe elephant. The rhino downlisting reads: “For the exclusive purpose of allowing international trade in live animals…and in hunting trophies. All other specimens shall be deemed specimens included in Appendix I….” Unfortunately, one can’t know until there is clarification or a court case for that species. Fuller’s import broker, John Meehan, had conveyed the offer to sand off the pencil etching at the point and time of seizure, but the USFWS Law Enforcement Inspector refused. After all the litigation and oral hearings, the USFWS gestured to accept the offer, but by then it was too late for the attorneys and trophy owner. The owner also had lawyers in Chicago and New York City working on the case. This did lead to settlement in a similar case in Atlanta where the tusk owner, who was a dentist from Mississippi, personally disc-sanded off the etching on the surface in the presence of two Law Enforcement Agents in Atlanta after more than a year of litigation. In that case, we settled because the exporting country had not purpose coded the export permit “P” for personal use as the 2007 regulation requires for crafted parts. The 2007 regulation explicitly states the “P” purpose code will permit the import, but neglects to mention it does not apply to elephant ivory. This case provides that important information. The industry needs to be warned that worked ivory can’t be imported into the US under any circumstances. Some tusks since 2007 have been seized because they had brass rings or the root area painted and even because they had a fancy base. We have been able to get those released amicably thus far. Have your trophy ivory crafted after import, which is perfectly legal. (For those interested, the pertinent regulations are AECA – 16 USC 4224(e); Elephant Special Rule – 50 CFR 17.40(e); USFWS trophy definition – 50 CFR 23.74(b); 2007.) The 25-page decision was rendered in United States of America v. One Etched Ivory Tusk of African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana), Defendant, and Graham Kent Fuller, Claimaint, Case No. 1:10-cv-00308, Document 41, Order filed 5/17/12. We appealed the case in early November. Most particularly we take issue with USFWS claiming to change the meaning of “trophy” unilaterally in a downlisting passed by over 170 other countries. Second, the downlisting annotation includes “ivory carvings.” Regardless, it is fundamentally unfair to apply such an interpretation and carry the definition to other regulations and even interpretations of statutes without notice and publication. It was coded “P” and there was no notice that coding in “P” did not apply to ivory as it does other parts and species. The Federal Register explanation states crafted trophy parts can be imported if coded “P.” Once again this demonstrates a readiness on the part of Law Enforcement to punish innocent owners of trophies. In this instance the problem was caused by USFWS’ ambiguity in the rulemaking compounded by complex carryover to other unmentioned laws and regulations and government-to-government disputes. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Incredible isn't it? I hate those guys! | |||
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Steve Shakari is right. Ship the tusks on one crate and the bases in another. USFW get to decide the definition on worked. If there are brass or copper rings to protect the edges of the bases, they should be removed and taped with duct tape or something. USFW and customs have taught me more than I want to know. In fairness, they did not confiscate but allowed us to ship back and re-do the forms. Tom ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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WOW!!! I have not imported anything from my last two Eles, so wasn't aware of this crap from USF&W. What a load of dung! So no brass wrapping and no wood bases? And I guess if you have an ear panel painted by a local native, that would also be a no-no by our incredibly stupid USF&W anti-hunting bureaucracy? No Ele foot-stools or umbrella stands made from the legs? My SIL plans/hopes to take a large Namibia bull in 2 weeks. Guess he can only bring back the tusks and hides unadorned. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I started this thread because a co-worker just had his ivory seized on import. He had the tusks mounted to bases in Bots. The bases were shipped separately but the tusks had the bottoms wrapped with all thread imbedded for mounting into the bases. It got resolved thank goodness but cost him some jingle to have the case handled by a lawyer and reviewed from "higher up". When I finally get to hunt Elephant, should I be successful, all parts kept will come back in a raw state. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Any idea what this means for importation of elephant hide that has been tanned? Does this mean it must be shipped green with risks that are involved in losing it to spoilage? Egad! What happened to reason? Help! | |||
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OMG!!!! Better stock up on those elephant wallets while you can...... xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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