Cal posted about cell phones,I have not had any major issues with any PH using their cell phone,my most irritating experience has been to follow a ph who smoked,I will always now after that experience make it clear that I will not hunt with a ph who needs to smoke constantly,yes lets go in the bush & experience second hand smoke

Bill,

In my experience fewer and fewer PH's smoke and the ones that do are aware that it matters to non smokers and sometimes it matters a lot. They are more careful to not smoke where it will be offensive to clients. I am an ex smoker and do not like being around it. I hunted with 2 PH's in '15 who both smoked but they were courteous about it and it was not a problem. If I know a client has a position about smokers I'll do my best to put them with a PH that is a non-smoker. To your original post there is very little as irritating these days to me as a PH that smokes in the vehicle, smokes at dinner and worst of all while stalking your buffalo etc.

Mark

most everybody over there smokes

I asked my Zim PH about smoking while stalking buffalo and he said it lets him see where the wind's going.

Never had a problem with either cell phone use or smoking by PH. Did have a PH lose his cell phone while we were tracking a buffalo I shot less than perfect and after we recovered the buffalo, we had to do a bit of backtracking to find it. Inconvenient, but not a big problem. Never had them use the phone while hunting or at dinner. I was probably more guilty of that my last trip given that even remote camps have wifi.

Sheesh what's next? The PH didn't look professional enough because he didn't have a leopard band on his safari hat?

I'm an ex smoker and I could care less if somebody smokes around me. I can move up wind and the windows roll down in the truck. Too many people spend too much time trying to mind other people's business today. Best they just mind their own!

Can PHs respond much in the same manner with regards to a client's smoking habit?

Having a client light a cigar in the cabin, windows down notwithstanding, is as bad if not worse than cigarette smoke whether one smokes or not.

Ah, but the client being the paymaster, is fully entitled to do as he pleases.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Sheesh what's next? The PH didn't look professional enough because he didn't have a leopard band on his safari hat?

I'm an ex smoker and I could care less if somebody smokes around me. I can move up wind and the windows roll down in the truck. Too many people spend too much time trying to mind other people's business today. Best they just mind their own!

Very good point

I only had one PH (out of 3) who smoked, and he was polite to the point of absurdity. I never once got a whiff of cig smoke, no longer how long we were on the track.

So with him, it was a totally non issue.

BH63

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Sheesh what's next? The PH didn't look professional enough because he didn't have a leopard band on his safari hat?

I'm an ex smoker and I could care less if somebody smokes around me. I can move up wind and the windows roll down in the truck. Too many people spend too much time trying to mind other people's business today. Best they just mind their own!

I expect a PH to be ruggedly handsome, impeccably attired, armed with a $15K double of British manufacture, and, of course, have an Oxford accent.

Anything less, is just not cricket, old boy!

BH63

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Originally posted by Fjold:
I asked my Zim PH about smoking while stalking buffalo and he said it lets him see where the wind's going.

I haven't smoked in 40 years but I don't mind it. You're on Safari not at a Democratic rally in Berkeley for God's sake.

My PH is a pipe smoker...I just let him huff and puff....and we regularly smoke cigars together..

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Can PHs respond much in the same manner with regards to a client's smoking habit?

Having a client light a cigar in the cabin, windows down notwithstanding, is as bad if not worse than cigarette smoke whether one smokes or not.

Ah, but the client being the paymaster, is fully entitled to do as he pleases.

Hey Fulvio, we agreed it kept away the Tsetse flies!

It's not a problem for people who are not bothered by second hand smoke,I could not care less if someone chooses to smoke,if smoke does not bother you? good for you,that is your choice.
It bothers me & I avoid it period,this is not an attempt to bad mouth anybody,I just cannot physically take the smoke,& I will not hunt again with someone smoking in front of me,if someone does not want my business? it's fine with me,no offense taken,I do not understand the sarcastic remarks generated by my post? tell me why there are smoke free zones all over now?

Any PH that has to put up with a client smoking has my sympathy,it goes both ways.

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Can PHs respond much in the same manner with regards to a client's smoking habit?

Having a client light a cigar in the cabin, windows down notwithstanding, is as bad if not worse than cigarette smoke whether one smokes or not.

Ah, but the client being the paymaster, is fully entitled to do as he pleases.

Some people just lack common courtesy.

I was in Tanzania last year with a PH whom was a smoker, a really, really rude smoker. I eventually had to insist he stop in the car.

He smoked on stalks, threw his butts down. The trackers would pick them up. He threw his wrappers down when opening a new pack, which he did several times a day.

I was ready to rip my face off by the end of that trip.

On my second hunt in Africa I was with Two Waters Safari in the Karoo . The jerk PH would smoke when ever he wanted. On the stalk or in the Bakkie. I was too dumb to bust him for it. He was a bad PH! No tip.

An issue I ask about before booking a hunt. I am a non smoker / non drinker and do not want to be around either.

Bill73,

It was not my intent to insult anyone. But if you feel so strongly about it than that should be one of the qualifiers prior to booking the hunt. I'm sure a lot of people here have seen PH's or others with some habit that made their skin crawl.

I was really aiming what I said at those folks who seem to think it's their job in life to inform others about every little nit picky thing. I guess I'm one of those live and let live types and try to meet people half way. If that doesn't work than I'll let them know what's bothering me. If I can voice my expectations prior to the hunt so much the better.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by fulvio:


Having a client light a cigar in the cabin, windows down notwithstanding, is as bad if not worse than cigarette smoke whether one smokes or not.

Hey Fulvio, we agreed it kept away the Tsetse flies!

John,

That was a comment I picked up by several different non-smoking PHs at different times, one being a close friend of Lane Easter's whose L/C cab was of the non-dismantling type - if you recall, mine came off completely and was like riding around in an oversize go-kart.

I most certainly never objected to you lighting up, in fact it gave me all the more reason to join the party.

I agree that any form of smoking at the table or within a confined space, especially in the company of non-smokers is unacceptable and to be discouraged.

One thing I have noticed is that there is a lot of hypocrisy involved as a large number of the same rabid anti-smokers seem to have no problem about smoke or booze when they visit the Casino gaming area

Have the rabid anti-smokers given much thought to the almost unnoticeable but deadly carcinogenic emissions that they live with on a daily basis other than the occasional whiff of the aroma of a particular blend of cigarette?

Cougarz sums it up very well.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:


He smoked on stalks, threw his butts down. The trackers would pick them up. He threw his wrappers down when opening a new pack, which he did several times a day.

Charming....

I was a long time smoker but have not smoked for over 40 years. That said, I simply cannot abide smoking in close quarters like inside the cab of a hunting vehicle or in a blind! If a PH does that in the vehicle I will simply ride on the high seat in the open air. In a blind I will ask he not do it at all.

I had one PH who did not smoke but carried a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocked at all times. When we got close on track in tight bush, he would lite a cigarette to use the same way most use a ash bag, or squeeze bottle to check for wind direction. When I commented on this activity he explained that animals in Africa are used to the smell of smoke, and pay no attention to what is burning but where it is coming from, and even then they don't worry much about it.

Hunt any way you please! You are the one paying the bill, so some request about smoking or drinking too much on safari needs to be addressed, for a workable result!

.....................................................................

I stopped smoking a while back.I like the smell of tobacco I think it is one of the nicest odors.It never bothered me if my Ph or camera man would have a smoke during a break or when driving.If they smoked three packs a day and we were in the vehicle all the time then that might bother me.While hunting it is rare that we stop for breaks maybe once or twice so the guys don't smoke all that much.I have never seen anyone throw a butt on the ground and all the vehicles have been super clean.

What bothers me is smokers who open the car window so I freeze to death while they are smoking!

What does annoy the shit out of me is people who are noisy eaters. I will shoot a PH who is a noisy eater, if he is not family.
I day dream about strangling people I remember eating like noisy pigs from years ago.
I refuse to go to the pictures anymore.


My worst nightmare was realised when I had to have lunch in a Chinese food court, surrounded by tables of Chinese people slurping and mashing their way through their goddamn food. Its a cultural thing you see. They eat noisily on purpose.
The children of the Chinese people I was with told me that they had never met anyone who ate so silently.
I was unable to respond because I was filled with virulent hatred at that moment.

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Sheesh what's next? The PH didn't look professional enough because he didn't have a leopard band on his safari hat?

I'm an ex smoker and I could care less if somebody smokes around me. I can move up wind and the windows roll down in the truck. Too many people spend too much time trying to mind other people's business today. Best they just mind their own!

I expect a PH to be ruggedly handsome, impeccably attired, armed with a $15K double of British manufacture, and, of course, have an Oxford accent.

Anything less, is just not cricket, old boy!

BH63

Funny stuff!

I would prefer a non-smoking PH, but if they don't smoke upwind of me I don't care. As long as they don't smoke in the blind, highseat or on the stalks.

I still remember a lady I met thirty years ago who was so disappointed that I didn't look like Stewart Granger .. She had heard that I had hunted Africa so ....

I don't care if people smoke or not ... but I do remember, about a dozen years or so ago in Namibia my hunting partner took a shot at a running leopard that had been spotted in a high tower .. Great spot to look for game I reckon.

After it ran down the angled ladder and flashed by him he actually shot and wounded it and it ran off into the tall grass.

After a bit of profanity .. We lined up. I was on the right being left handed with my ancient 8 mag wildcat .. the one guide was beside me .. left handed with a semi automatic shotgun with buckshot.

The tracker in the middle and beside him the nimrod who had made the shot. He had his bolt action rifle that was a 300 mag if I remember correctly.

Bringing up the far left was the other PH with an FN that we found out later was set of full automatic .. Meaning if the cat had gotten one of us about everyone would have died in the fullisade .. sheesh !!!

My God, but I love Africa !!!

We started off into the long grass ... made it about twenty yards and stopped ...

????

I asked what the hell was the hold up. ?? The two guides lit cigarettes and one of them stated to me, 'If you smoked .. you'd know why!'

(Epilogue: the cat lived a few extra minutes for the men to calm their nerves a bit but we gunned it a bit later )

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Bill73,

It was not my intent to insult anyone. But if you feel so strongly about it than that should be one of the qualifiers prior to booking the hunt. I'm sure a lot of people here have seen PH's or others with some habit that made their skin crawl.

I was really aiming what I said at those folks who seem to think it's their job in life to inform others about every little nit picky thing. I guess I'm one of those live and let live types and try to meet people half way. If that doesn't work than I'll let them know what's bothering me. If I can voice my expectations prior to the hunt so much the better.

No offense taken,six hunts in Africa & I had never been in a smoke offensive situation,I will on all future hunts now state my preferences very clearly in advance.

Had a PH who actually lit up in a leopard blind He was a chain smoker clearly abducted to cigarettes. I was furious about it and let him know . The hunt turned out to be a complete scam. Have hunted Africa 14 times that was the only bad hunt I have had

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Bill73,

It was not my intent to insult anyone. But if you feel so strongly about it than that should be one of the qualifiers prior to booking the hunt. I'm sure a lot of people here have seen PH's or others with some habit that made their skin crawl.

I was really aiming what I said at those folks who seem to think it's their job in life to inform others about every little nit picky thing. I guess I'm one of those live and let live types and try to meet people half way. If that doesn't work than I'll let them know what's bothering me. If I can voice my expectations prior to the hunt so much the better.

I would rather eat kimshee in a manure pile than smell tobacco smoke. It's not a "nit picky" thing and has nothing to do with live and let live. Tobacco smoke is THE worst stench on the planet. I don't care who you screw, what you drink, how stupid you are with your money, what you drive, what you wear, what you eat, et al. But I WILL NOT smell your tobacco smoke. Would you want me farting bloody farts in your face all the time?

Sometimes this forum is just plain weird...

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Sometimes this forum is just plain weird...

No maybe just Intj is

Mike

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Originally posted by INTJ:

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Bill73,

It was not my intent to insult anyone. But if you feel so strongly about it than that should be one of the qualifiers prior to booking the hunt. I'm sure a lot of people here have seen PH's or others with some habit that made their skin crawl.

I was really aiming what I said at those folks who seem to think it's their job in life to inform others about every little nit picky thing. I guess I'm one of those live and let live types and try to meet people half way. If that doesn't work than I'll let them know what's bothering me. If I can voice my expectations prior to the hunt so much the better.

I would rather eat kimshee in a manure pile than smell tobacco smoke. It's not a "nit picky" thing and has nothing to do with live and let live. Tobacco smoke is THE worst stench on the planet. I don't care who you screw, what you drink, how stupid you are with your money, what you drive, what you wear, what you eat, et al. But I WILL NOT smell your tobacco smoke. Would you want me farting bloody farts in your face all the time?

very well put.

Im happy to put up with bit of smoke or cell phone use just to have the privilege to hunt
big game in Africa!!!!

All you others , maybe stay at home if its that
unbearable.

Nick

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Sometimes this forum is just plain weird...

No maybe just Intj is

Mike

Apparently so.

Really impressed by some of the comments so far, I smoke quite often and when I have clients hunting here in Sonora I smoke more, I am really anxious and as long as we don't have a deer down I am way more, but I never smoke anywhere near them whether if we are talking around the campfire, discussing something in the field or in the high rack, I do smoke during the day but during breaks, lunch, the morning or at night and always away from hunters, I have never asked them if they mind the smoke nor they have commented anything about it, I simply try to be courteous and do my thing away from them as I know some may not like, period.

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Posts: 339 | Registered: 06 September 2008

What about PH's that drink too much?

No cell, no smoke, no booze ... that would be pretty much a null set.

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Originally posted by Cougarz:
Sheesh what's next? The PH didn't look professional enough because he didn't have a leopard band on his safari hat?

I'm an ex smoker and I could care less if somebody smokes around me. I can move up wind and the windows roll down in the truck. Too many people spend too much time trying to mind other people's business today. Best they just mind their own!

This one.

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Originally posted by ManuelM:
Really impressed by some of the comments so far, I smoke quite often and when I have clients hunting here in Sonora I smoke more, I am really anxious and as long as we don't have a deer down I am way more, but I never smoke anywhere near them whether if we are talking around the campfire, discussing something in the field or in the high rack, I do smoke during the day but during breaks, lunch, the morning or at night and always away from hunters, I have never asked them if they mind the smoke nor they have commented anything about it, I simply try to be courteous and do my thing away from them as I know some may not like, period.

Way to go

I have seen people say that they can't stand this and that odor then I see them undertaking the activity so to speak.For example someone I know would hold his nose and make distance from any diesel vehicle including mine saying that the fumes were toxic then I later saw him with a diesel.Others pretend that they don't fart or that their farts don't smell.

For the most part, those that complain about smoke are the former smokers that quit. Did anyone ever smell their smoke? I've had deer come in to a feeder many times while I was smoking.