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Help with Bullets for smaller animals
30 April 2007, 02:52
lenglengHelp with Bullets for smaller animals
I am leaving in 2 weeks for RSA. On the list this time among other large animals are possibly Jackel and Procupine. I will be using a 300RUM with 200gr. Swift A-frames for most of the plaines game and I will also have a 30-06 with 180gr. Swift A-frames. If I wanted to get a full procupine mount and save the Jackel backskins should I go buy some FMJ bullets to shoot them with? Most likely I will use the 30-06 for them but dont want to mess them up too bad. Any idea how bad the A-frames will mess up the animals compared to a FMJ bullet? Thanks for any suggestions or experiences on similar animals.
30 April 2007, 02:57
retreeverDownload them FMJ...or ask ph if they have a 22 or a 223 rifle and use it on the porky and hit the jackal low in the chest....
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30 April 2007, 03:18
fredj338Depending on the distance of the shot, I'll bet the heavier Swifts do just fine, especially the 06. Stay off the shoulder & you should be ok.
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30 April 2007, 03:38
lenglengThanks,
What do you aim for on a porcupine to do the least dmamge?
On the Jackal I guess I should try to hit back behind the shoulder closer to the gut?
I have never used FMJ's before so I dont know what they do compared to other bullets.
30 April 2007, 03:57
GrumulkinAre you allowed to take two rifles of the same caliber to the RSA? By caliber I mean bore diameter. It was my understanding that you couldn't.
30 April 2007, 04:14
NavalukLast go around I shot a real old tom wildcat and porky with my 375 with 300 grain silvertips. Both right behind the ribs. I life sized the cat. Perfect.
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30 April 2007, 09:04
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30 April 2007, 11:02
John in SCHey lengleng,
I've taken three jackals with a .30-'06 using 180 grain Nosler Partitions. One was sitting looking at us and the bullet hit center of the neck between chin and brisket, the other two were hit broadside behind the shoulder. No entrance or exit holes were bigger than 1" but I don't know of what significance this is for taxidermy. I've also used a .223 with FMJ bullets and of course the holes were minute. I used a borrowed .22 for a porcupine, if you're going with Cruisers again you can see if that's a possibility. Make sure you aim low on the porcupine!
01 May 2007, 01:40
lenglengThanks again for the suggestions. I have talked to the outfitter and there is a 22 at camp if I want to use it on the porcupines. Otherwise I will use my 30-06, I got some FMJ bullets and need to shoot them to see how they shoot from my gun. If they dont shoot well I will just use the 180 A-frames.
01 May 2007, 07:11
L. David Keithquote:
Download them FMJ...or ask ph if they have a 22 or a 223 rifle and use it on the porky and hit the jackal low in the chest
Hard to beat that advice. You can't always control the exact angle a bullet will travel. You can destroy smaller game with a FMJ (which are illegal for hunting by the way) as easily with the '06 or 300, especially if you hit the wrong spot. Most all PH's have a small caliber on hand, but remember: for those hunting in RSA this year, all rimfires become illegal on June 1st. I guess they want to stop Rhino hunting with the 22 magnum
Go with a small caliber from your PH if at all possible. Speaking as a former Taxidermist, I speak from experience. Good luck on your hunt, LDK
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01 May 2007, 08:54
lengleng(which are illegal for hunting by the way)
Interesting, I didn't realize that. Is that just here in the states or in Africa too? I assume its only becuase the bullet keeps traveling making it more dangerous? Or because it dosent kill as good?
lengleng
Every province in SA has slightly different laws when it comes to hunting and it I suggest you check with your outfitter.
Interestingly enough, in the Limpopo province - for example - if I am the owner of the ranch I am allowed to hunt with a .22 rimfire and so is my son and my father (with my written permission) but not my grandfather. Unless he has a permit. It is complicated. Fortunately, almost everything is possible with a permit ...
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03 May 2007, 09:01
Russ GouldA good hard cast bullet with a large meplat at around 1800 fps will take care of this for you. I shot a bunch of porcupines, a bushpig, and a caracal with a 45 long colt from a contender carbine with good effect. You could actually see the bullet's flight in the spotlight.
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03 May 2007, 12:32
woodleyDont want to throw a wrench in the works but you might want to check with Fish and Game about importing Porcupine into the States, I believe they are no longer allowed in but also check, if they have to be Taxidermied in RSA before shipping.
You might want to speak with a real expert in porcupine taxidermy, Andre van Rooyen. I visited his shop with Jaco Human of AR and we found a room full of full mount porcupines, looked like a herd. Here's a link:
http://www.avrtaxidermy.co.za/homefinal.htmAndre explained to us that field prep on a porcupine is particular, specific and important for the trophy to endure without the quills falling out. If I remember correctly he thought the best thing to do after shooting the animal is stick it in a freezer, without cleaning, and bring it to him frozen if possible. Jaco, is my memory correct?
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