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It's amazing how they keep them operational under the circumstances. I spent the better part of a day in Arusha last March trying to find a rather simple part for my PH's rifle. I watched a true artist make it from scratch. It was amazing -- dreadlocks and all. | |||
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PH Dalton Tink's pre-64 Model 70 in 458.  | |||
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Looks like the safety is off??? | |||
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I believe you are correct. Pic was taken while Dalton was returning for truck after futile stalk. Head tracker Godzi is holding rifle. Dalton had unloaded prior to leaving, I believe. | |||
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Safety off, unloaded seems to be a popular carry style with PHs. Run the bolt and throw down. Not how I elect to do it, but when in Rome . . . Will J. Parks, III | |||
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IMO, In one way probably not a bad thing.  | |||
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Of the 5 different PH's I can only remember 4 of the rifles... 1) A Win Mod 70 stainless post 64 classic in 416 rem mag completely stock 2) A 495 A Square from Art Alphin, floor plate duct taped shut. 3) A pre-64 model 70 in 458 Win Mag. The rear sight was kept folded down with of course the back side of the sight blade facing up. Two little dollups of expoxy were then place on the sight making a new rear notch. Factory ammo was minute of coffee saucer at 40 meters and that was good enough for its purpose. 4) 45-70 Marlin Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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PH John Hunt's working rifle is a Post-64 Winchedter Model 70 push feed in .375 H&H. I asked him how he has survived all these years without a CRF rifle and he gave me a funny look. He also has a .416 that he never takes out because it is "too pretty". He said he would rather carry the .375 because of: 1. penetration, 2. ammo availability, 3. he can make an aimed shot with the .375 at longer ranges.   | |||
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Not sure I regard a PH carrying a .375 H&H as a good thing, CRF or push feed. Mike | |||
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Here's a pic of my PH's (Deon West) custom BRNO in .416 Rigby and (background) my .375 H&H Winchester Model 70 "Classic" in stainless steel. We did a bit of informal target shooting at the end of our last hunting day and I was grateful for the opportunity to put a few rounds downrange with his gun. The straight combed stock and heavy barrel really made it comfortable to shoot. The "ghost ring" aperture rear sight was extremely rigid (I think welded to the receiver) and just the right size for a fast sight picture. While obviously it's a "working gun", the oil finished walnut stock with hand checkering, accented grip and forend caps was very classy. I've hunted bear in Alaska on four occasions. One of my guides carried a pre-'64 Winchester Model 70 in .375 H&H, his son (who guided me on one of the hunts) carried the same type of rifle in .300 H&H Magnum, and the third guide carried a stainless Marlin "Guide Gun" (18" barreled) Model 1895 lever action in .45-70 with heavy handloads.  "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." Tanzania 2012: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/8331015971 Saskatoon, Canada 2013: http://forums.accuratereloadin...4121043/m/7171030391 Las Pampas, Argentina 2014: http://forums.accuratereloadin...4107165/m/1991059791 | |||
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First, I don't think Tink's is a pre64 M70, unless he has had it restocked and the rear sight replaced. Secondly, I notice the first two rifles and a few others have open sights only. I thought it was some divine decree that any bolt rifle must have a telescopic sight on it, and only doubles are allowed to have only open sights....  | |||
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The idea was it was exactly like cocking hammer rifle! I had a very good PH in Zambia who owned only two rifles, both BRNO 602s! One was chambered for 270 Win, and the other chambered for 375H&H both with iron sights and unmodified. and he could shoot hell of both of them! Back in the 80s and early 90s most PHs had BRNO 602s in 375H&H or 458 Win mag. They are tough rifles! ....................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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To be pedantic, the .270 would be a ZKK 600. There was also a short action (.243, .308) which was a ZKK 601. Funny enough I've seen the ZKK 601 in .223 as well. Once you're used to the way the safety works, might as well make all your rifles BRNOs just so you don't get fatally confused. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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PH Richard Shultz 500 A Square on a Brno 602, an impressive rifle.  | |||
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This is how most if not all PHs have a rifle when unloaded. With a gun on safety one does not know if a round is chambered or not. Rifles are often handled by Staff even trackers who are not familiar with how a rifle actually works and might not be aware if the safety gets pulled off etc etc. By closing the bolt while pulling the trigger the firing pin is slowly depressed, therefore the gun cannot fire and one can see this from a distance. Note: the firing pin is not depressed onto a chambered round. I shoot a Jos Outschar Ferlach .500 3' NE 22 inch barrels 1962, I don't know anything more about it. I do know that Tanzania has decided that they need to put their own serial number on all locally owned rifles so what ever it is worth is about to be halved. Professional Hunter GM Danny McCallum Safaris Executive Officer APHA | |||
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..................Noted!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Mike...the joys of the UN and SADAC protocol...all new firearms in Europe now have to have a national (not makers) serial number and all of Southern Africa has signed up to Japans plan to have a 'common registry' of small arms...so even collectable vintage firearms must be re-marked. | |||
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Tell the japs and all the UN democraps to "come and take them"....  USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Oh Dear Lord, have mercy on us. These Afro Socialist twats that the World's liberals have burdened us with, came out with the "Firearm Control Act, Act 60 of 2000," in the year 2000. Every South African had to re-licence their firearms. It was and is an ongoing cock-up of epic proportions. They have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, that they just cannot organise a tank-up in brewery and now every arm has to be re-marked?  Was this sad exercise not a result from the SADC Protocol. Lord, I am nearly ready to go home.  Yup, I can just picture the scene, an old wagon vice fastened to a tree stump with 8 guage fencing wire and a couple of coach screws, the barrels of a 500/465 "Royale" screwed up tight in the chequered plates of the vice jaws and Joe Dlamini armed with a 4 pound ball-peen, pounding the new serial numbers into that polished blue and then duplicating the serial number onto the lock plates.  | |||
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Scriptus...your fellows seem to have more idea of 'finesse' than ours...fortunately the recent pan galactic mega cock up that was labeled in even the government press as ' the national migraine' - the re-licensing of all cars' and the costs incured will hopefully exert sufficient inertia to action that the problem will just go away. Spending money on re numbering firearms when they cannot even afford to computerise the firearms registry, and the fact that every cent that goes on 'admin' is one less cent that can be spent on a politicians visit to the UN HQ is a pretty good guarantee that talk and new resolutions to replace the waffle and unfulfilled old resolutions will be the only result. | |||
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I think that you might find that the "finesse" found over here could be be of a lighter hue and also of mixed ascendents but they are becoming fewer as they annoy the greater unwashed and are relegated to the far corners of the globe as diplomats, still convinced that Afro Socialism is the salvation of the world. They all have yet to grasp any thing that relates to "cause and effect." | |||
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This exercise has been carried out here in TZ and the equipment used is the real McCoy (pneumatic system). To save your firearm from being defaced it is wise if you assist in setting the barrels and the action (if a double) so that the new numbers are where YOU want them - failure to do so will result in disaster. Same applies to shotguns and bolt rifle (remove the barrel from the stock and print the number on the underside of the action where it will be hidden). | |||
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 The silver looking bands around the PH's rifle are duct tape. Good news was that the rifle functioned and fired. He demonstrated that it would work. Then after the demonstration he wrapped more duct tape around the forend tip where it split as a result of the test firing. Now the rifle has three duct tape bands. Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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I recall Gary Hopkins' push-feed M70 .375H&H with no blueing and a crack in the right side of the stock next to the receiver. He said he also had a nice rifle, a Ruger .416 Rigby, cased in the truck rack. It was a gift from a client whom I had just spoken to before leaving for Zimbabwe, Ed Matunas. Gary liked his used M70 very well. | |||
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Thanks Fujo, I heard this was what to do but, was not sure they would let you dictate where to put the number. Professional Hunter GM Danny McCallum Safaris Executive Officer APHA | |||
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This thread keeps getting better and better. They may not be pretty in the sense that a new rifle is when it is freshly delivered from the gunsmith, but these rifles have a definite beauty to them. ____________________________ If you died tomorrow, what would you have done today ... 2018 Zimbabwe - Tuskless w/ Nengasha Safaris 2011 Mozambique - Buffalo w/ Mashambanzou Safaris | |||
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Duct tape and a "LANDROVER". The two go well together. | |||
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Mr. Dettorre: You saw a PH with a Marlin .45-70??? Is this possible? Hasn't he read the forums? There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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