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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
hunting IS all about killing. If it were not, you could make the stalk, shoot the animal with your camera, and walk away with the same sense of satisfaction that killing the animal gives you.

X2...

Hunting without killing = camping...

Don't think it is something hunters should flame each other over...

Every one feels their own way after a kill because every one is different...

Most people only continue to do recreational activities that provide them with overall positive experiences...

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
hunting IS all about killing. If it were not, you could make the stalk, shoot the animal with your camera, and walk away with the same sense of satisfaction that killing the animal gives you.

Rich

Dear Rich:

I would expand upon your opinion on the killing aspect of hunting by asking the following question:

Why do you hunt?

Obviously, killing is an aspect of hunting, but how important is it to you?

I hunt, because I love to do it, and I love to eat game meat, be it birds or big game. Cook it myself. So, I have to kill the animal to eat it.

Nevertheless, the killing part is not my favorite aspect of hunting. Its just necessary.

Out thinking the animal, and placing a shot perfectly, while using the best handgun, rifle or shotgun possible, and now we're talking.

Sincerely,

Chris Bemis

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hunting IS all about killing. If it were not, you could make the stalk, shoot the animal with your camera, and walk away with the same sense of satisfaction that killing the animal gives you.

Many people feel this exact way.

If you walked in your backyard and shot all your goats would you say you hunted them or killed them?

I think killing is the final test of the pursuit of an animal. You work hard to get to within range by knowing your target animal, sometimes yes by luck, but more often by hard work and when you get the point you have overcome every other obstacle to get within effective range of whatever weapon you are using, your last job is to make an accurate and effective killing shot. It is a part of a whole, not the whole thing. It is the part, that when done right, caps the whole hunt like frosting on a cake and if done wrong and you induce undue suffering, can nearly ruin the whole effort of what led you to that point. Just my personal take on it.

I like to hunt, admitely I have shot a number of different animals on this earth. Sometimes my shot placement was better than others. I have often wished the animal I have shot could get back up so I could hunt him again but quickly let those emotions go on the task at hand at getting the animal taken care of including the meat. I have no remorse. When I look back at the money I spent on conservation by this activity I have nothing but pride that I supported a system that has many great people involved that have dedicated their lives in protection of habitat and the animals that live there.

It is my opinion, by others and myself hunting a few animals this activity has helped so many more animals than it ever did any harm even with some mistakes on my part. Also,in my opinion if your not buying a hunting license are you helping conservation of habitat and wildlife as much as you could? I am also so very proud of the professional hunters dediction to same thruout the world that I have had the priviledge to hunt beside.

Bob, you apparently don't post often, but in this case the response is thoughtful.

Tom

Thank you Bob Keeler.
Well said.

To me hunting is a sacred experience.

Harvesting meat and consuming it or giving it to family or trusted friends is akin to a religious experience.
So is having a taxidermist apply his arts to the trophy.

Amen.

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The issue with post-Boddington TAA is that Craig could make each episode new and different and enjoyable to see. Ivan has not gotten to that state yet. He guides for $$$, and his approach must needs be a bit different.

- ISS

Rich.

Seems to me this is a rather broad statement and that is a matter of your personal opinion and certianly not mine. Both are fine and capable outdoorsmen and each his own style. Ivan is not Craig nor is Craig, Ivan. I have no desire to be anyone other than myself and nor should one expect this of these good men.


Remember this is produced by a team .. Safari Classics and now we have a presentation that is a bit different. The producer is responsible for the content and execution of the production. Look at True Grit, two very fine actors,same story,two sucessful movies. Different, yes, sucessful, yes again.

As to guiding for money... I hope that is not an aspersion. Both Craig and Ivan must work for money and that is fitting as Scripture says"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse [Greek: more evil] than an infidel." (1 Timothy 5:8)

Per quote it would be wrong for either to not work for money as the provider. I simply do not understand your last sentence. Every man's needs are different.

I would expect to pay Ivan for his expertise and Craig as well for his fine books and tapes etc.


I know both men and hold both in high regard as to integrety,skill, individual presentation and presense. Both bring to the soil tracks of the hunter and reflect everything from the dream and preperation ,the skill of the shot and finally to reflection.

The only men that "have gotten to that state" are lying in state.

It is my observation that we are not all tracking the same trail or quarry.

Elton