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The only way it will ever stop would be for the hunting community to publicly shame those that participate in such hunts. Until that happens, they will continue. I am not holding my breath. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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I think the unfortunate reality is that many, if not most of these guys don't understand what they are doing. There is not a single "lion" hunt from the RSA on TV that bears any resemblance to my lion hunts in TZ or Zim. Colorado Buck's hunt was embarrassing as was another for a most impressive lion with, guess who? TAM. | |||
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It will never stop as long as people are willing to pay the $$$$$$$$$. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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i'm afraid that i have no stomach at all for canned hunts. In fact i am strong in the belief that those doing so should have their head held in a bucket of water for a minimum of 5 minutes to reconsider. I am also pleased to find a TV personality to have to balls to stand up, for if we don't have the strength to stand for our beliefs we are less than a man and the world is poorer for it | |||
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nobody has yet answered the question-WHO IS NICOLE?? BTW, i completely agree with Tim- DON'T PORTRAY THIS TRAVESTY AS A HUNT- CALL IT WHAT IT IS-A SHOOT Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Nicole Jones has a hunting show called "Driven" on the Outdoor channel. I googled her. It took about five seconds to figure out who she was. STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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She is on a show called "Driven" on outdoor channel with her husband Pat. The show is on Sunday at 9:00 am eastern time. Not the way I would ever shoot a Lion if I had the means. Thanks! Brian Clark Blue Skies Hunting Adventures www.blueskieshunting.com Email at: info@blueskieshunting.com African Cape Trophy Safaris www.africancapesafaris.com Email at: brian@africancapesafaris.com 1-402-689-2024 | |||
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http://cjonline.com/sports/201...king-face-outdoor-tv | |||
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And the comments show just how persuasive her 'better looking face' really is(nt). All the world's indeed a stage... | |||
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The sad part of this issue is that it really doesn't matter what "we" think of this. As I see it there are a number of things involved here. We keep hoping that someone will exercise common sense in how they portray hunting. Ain't gonna happen. There are too many things in the way. Money. Tim, Ivan, etc. are all making money putting a product on TV. If you have a rather poor hunt video wise, you are going to edit it to make it "better" for ratings. Some of the shows do less, some more, but nevertheless it happens. Why would some producer lie about how the footage was obtained unless it makes a financial difference? Also, I assume that for most of the "hosted" TV shows (Tracks seems to be the exception as Ivan is filming his clients instead of himself hunting as a paid hunter...) probably cannot afford to pay for a high risk hunt like lion and get a bunch of essentially worthless footage. I've been on lion hunts. Most of what you do is drive around checking baits- sure there is a lot of excitement in there for the hunter, but its not much visually or for the audience... Paying $50-100K for a hunt and then not getting a usable episode is not a good business model. Then there are other reasons. Ego. Some folks just want to be on TV. They will do any stupid thing to get on TV. Your odds of getting on TV as a "great white hunter" are much better if you kill a glamor animal. They will willingly go and knowingly shoot a drugged up domestic animal and lie about the circumstances just to get on TV. Voyeurism. Like all the home sex tapes on the net, someone wants to watch these train wrecks. Until you get people to not want to watch, you will still get the bad videos being posted. The fact that you are mentioning this stuff shows that you watch. That you may dislike it doesn't matter; you watched it. Lots of folks do. It feeds both the cash driven folks and the ego driven folks. I honestly think that filming a lion shoot is not something that is going to stop. Look at all the dips that get busted for poaching deer here in the US because they filmed their exploits and then show it or post it on the net. You are not going to shame them in to stopping, you are not going to ignore them into stopping, the most one can hope is that it gets lost in the background. Even making it illegal to do will not stop the stuff from coming up. Face it folks, this is something we will as sportsmen have to constantly explain to the uninvolved. Wishing it away is not going to happen. I would think being able to say that it is a form of consumable use, while not particularly palatable to some is probably our best hope. | |||
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Guys, There are a ton of good posts here. My point is to let the networks know you don't like it. What our small number think of canned hunts, really doesn't matter. What are morals are aren't going to change laws, but if you let the networks know, at least there will be valid complaints. Believe me, I get complaints all the time on completely legit hunts (shooting an elephant, killing a grizzly, etc.) the networks pass them on and question us- so when you see this stuff, if you really feel it is portrayed wrongly, let them know. My purpose here was not to debate the "canned lion hunting industry" at all. It was to talk about people on TV portraying canned lion hunting as WILD lion hunting, how we feel about it, and maybe what we can do about it. Good Hunting, Tim Herald Worldwide Trophy Adventures tim@trophyadventures.com | |||
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+ 1 = this is the core , it aint hunting its killing or shooting = which is the choice of the client , but we all know its the lies behind the shoot - how many times have we heard = there is this problem lion .... , a lion killed some cattle ... = its this BS that makes this form of killing unacceptable to hunters. bottom line is SCI /DSC etc should simply make it a rule of publication - that Lions are either wild or not and to ensure no interpretation there to. | |||
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What about Ruarks film Africa Adventure? He and Selby and co drive past lions and claim they dont bother with them!! just sayin'.... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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+1 tim , we also get to see every response that the outdoor channel recieves ... and each show is reviewed carefully before its aired to ensure it fits in with their rules... multiple complaints about a particular style of hunting or shooting will get their attention for sure .. i agree this debate is not about canned hunting , thats a whole other issue , but moreso about how its portrayed on TV. CRBUTLER is right some normal cat hunts are hard to portray as exciting as they may be for the hunter , tough to appear so in TV ...in fact i just got back from a leopard hunt ...huge cat in the tree , enough early morning light to shoot , not enough to film , i was with a sponsor and it was critical that we got a show if we killed a cat ...the cat walked before filming light and we came home empty handed , that said we may still make a show as we have excellent footage of a young male and a couple of large females as well as the bait hunts and its not a bad thing to show a failed hunt once in a while as long as you have the whole process and it will be an entertaining show... what i am saying is Tim is right on ...let the networks know when you dislike what they are allowing to be shown ... "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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Rather than debate the legal and moral issues and the right and wrong and discuss which side of the argument you might sit on. I think the BIGGEST question you have to ask yourself is "Are you really getting a lion hunting experience, thrill, satisfaction by shooting a canned lion"? To those who care to still go-ahead I feel sorry for them as they are cheating themselves ultimately. It's one matter to go and shoot some raised pheasants with friends on a nice fall day, but killing any animal under high fence conditions at the end of the day in my opinion is not hunting. Sadly many new people coming into the sport are introduced to this BS and think that this is what hunting is all about. There are a million things that you cant do in this world and IF you are too poor, too fat, too scared and cant take the failure of coming home without a wild lion fair and square move on to the next item! Arjun Reddy www.huntersnetworks.com | |||
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I watched this, as well as Pat's buffalo hunt that ended with both a airplane, then helicopter finding the wounded buffalo in place of a tracking follow up. South Africa has "game recovery teams" a far cry from trackers. Driven is usually well produced, but both of these episodes gave hunting as we know it a black eye. They were misleading, the "danger" overdone in the extreme, and embarrassing when compared to fair chase, dangerous game hunting. The Outdoor Channel listens to feedback, I will leave it at that. Last year alone Tracks Across Africa teams filmed 10, thats TEN 21 day lion hunts that resulted in a NO SHOW as we did not get a mature cat into position for a shot. It grinds me to see the competition get these "two day lion adventures" on the air , especially when passed off as a real lion hunt. If you were offended, OUTDOORCHANNEL.COM Usually a good show, but they should keep to whitetail deer and leave Africa alone until they decide to take the risk of REAL HUNTING! Dave Fulson | |||
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I know this thread is focused on canned TV Lion Hunts but let's face facts, there are many, many TV hunts where the canned nature is hidden from the viewer. In my opinion many of the deer and elk hunts on TV fall into this category as well. A real hunt is so much more than that. I agree with the comment that it is voyeurism; which is what sells and portrays the TV personality in a positive light since so many don't have the skills or time for a real hunt! I hunt to live and live to hunt! | |||
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Here you go. It only takes a minute to post your comments about a programs false portrayal of a canned hunt as a real one. http://outdoorchannel.com/ContactUs.aspx "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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I think Tim's comments are 100% dead on. It is an absolute joke and travesty for them to portray this is a real, in the wild, lion hunt. If you want to do this type of hunt, your dollar, your business. Step and do the right thing and explain this is not a lion in the wild, its behind a high fence and real lions in the wild do not act like this. Maybe even do a 1 minute discussion on why hunting wild lions is tough and the pressure they are under from cattle, habitat, etc. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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Well, I just watched the show in question - "Driven" with Pat & Nicole. My lord, the worst thing I have seen on TV in a long time! The lion was less than 100 yards from the TRUCK, laying 10 feet from the road. They "stalked" it, all while it watched them get off the truck and come kill it. Totally oblivious to what was about to happen - and this was portrayed as lion "hunting". I have already sent an email to the OUTDOOR CHANNEL, I encourage others to do the same! | |||
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Aaron, By accident I turned on the TV just an hour ago and the show in question was just starting. I have to agree with you "stalking" was a real stretch. They did not say this is a wild lion hunt but I can see how someone not familiar with African hunting might see this as the way it is done. Nicole is an attractive lady, articulate and a fair bow shot but she did not have what I concider a real lion hunt by any stretch of the imagination. I too will comment to the Oudoor Channel. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Thanks for the link Jay..I just left my comments and thoughts about how poor this was handled\portrayed. DRSS Sabatti 450\400 NE Merkel 140-2 500 NE | |||
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I watched the "hunt" in question. What a joke. They find a lion in one afternoon of hunting and walk up while it just lays there looking at them. To say that the show was less than truthful would be an under statment. I did send an email to the outdoor channel. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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I also just watched Driven. One particular description of lions before the big stalk was an obvious fraud. Obvious if you know anything about wild lions. Nicole talked about how ferocious lions are and how they are not afraid of people. This was a flimsy rationalization of why this particular lion just laid there by the side of the road watching the hunting party "stalk" up to him. A better explanation are that canned lions are use to people walking up to them and feeding them dinner hence the lack of fear of humans. There was also some footage of lionesses before the hunt implying that they were part of the pride Nicole was hunting. What a disgusting sham! STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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I watched last night. Not sure what I was expecting after reading all the comments here but was surprised the lion "hunt" segment was only the last 10 minutes of the show. But after seeing it, the entire "hunt" probably didn't last much longer. It was laughable. My wife, an avid hunter herself, asked: "You wouldn't ever do anything like that, would you?" To which I replied: "No, honey" My comments were off to Outdoor Channel earlier today. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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Dave: You should have made some of those "no shows" shows. I for one get really tired of the fact every hunt on TV ends in success. Takes the mystery out of it. As one guy said, the "kill shot" is the same as the "money shot" in the porn industry. After a while, they get kind of boring. | |||
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Tim: I see nothing wrong with criticizing the industry. I watched the Colorado Buck lion hunt and it made me ill. It deserves criticism. | |||
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I just saw the Nicole lion kill last night. That was pathetic. NRA Patron member | |||
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Also, I went to the Outdoor channel website and sent them an email on how pathetic this show was. NRA Patron member | |||
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Heym, I believe people are referring to "Driven with Pat & Nicole". This is part of the hunting show genre that has the guy with the pretty lady hunting together. I am actually a little embarrassed to admit I saw this a couple of days ago. Nicole with her pink bow and nice makeup does a spot and stalk on a "wild lion". The lion looks like the MGM cat and just lies there while a film crew and shooter walk to within 25ys and stick it with an arrow. http://outdoorchannel.com/Shows/Driven.aspx | |||
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Well, based on this thread I DVRd the episode, since I typically refuse to watch "the cheerleader & the quarterback" shows. They're all lame, but this was disgusting. I sent my very first feedback to TOC. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Well, I wanted to see this show, so I set my PVR to record all the shows yesterday. Sadly, I did not get it, but got a couple of what looks like interesting shows. One was WARDENS and one was BOONDOCKIN' Mud racing. The rest of the so called "hunting" shows seem to be produced in such a silly manner one finds it hard to keep track fo what is going on. I watched a bit of CRUSHERS and then gave up on them. My PVR is recording everything being shown today, and hopefully some African hunting shows will turn up. | |||
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Pat and Nicole, who have been mentioned here, are doing a live web-show on Weds 7/25 at noon EDT. You can submit a question for them here: http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/deer-talk-now-watch I simply asked if the deer they hunt are more wild than the lion Nicole shot. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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