Ganyana says these are based on the .404 Jeffery:
Blaser Magnums:
7mmBM
300BM
338BM
375BM
Info just released this month is sketchy.
Loaded ammo due in August 2009.

Maybe Walter knows the scoop on the poop.
Maybe Walter has arranged this as a token of friendship, and respect for Saeed's wildcat:
A Blaser R93 in .375/404 Jeffery as a factory rifle.
Surely Saeed will have a Blaser of his own now?

Contest:
First person to reveal to me the verified specs of Saeed's .375/404 Jeffery (cartridge maximums, chamber minimums), publicly or in confidence, verified by Saeed , wins this:

Death and Double Rifles book, by Mark Sullivan, dedicated to you and autographed by me, to include an expletive or two, or three,
and about 1/2 dozen MS DVDs.
These will be shipped to your address for disposal as you see fit.
May I suggest gasoline and a match, and optional video of the ceremony to share with friends?

i fear imminent destruction is walter gets a blaser in saeeds favorite caliber

What a pedigree ...

Jeffery, Blaser, Saeed, Ganyana, & Walter all rolled into one ... .375 Blaser Menagerie ...

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Originally posted by Macifej:
What a pedigree ...

Jeffery, Blaser, Saeed, Ganyana, & Walter all rolled into one ... .375 Blaser Menagerie ...

Isn't this one of those Nostradamus end of times predictions come true.

All the more reason to own one ...!!

Once I get a look at the case I'm sure I'll place an order.

Macifej,
If Saeed persists in being so silly as to keep his .375/404 Jeffery poop a secret, I am dumping the MS shit on you!
I am giving Saeed one week, or else you will be punished with MS trash!

There is something special about a Blaser R93 in .375BM ... as long as it approximates a full-length .404 Jeffery case necked to .375, and rim with no rebate!!!
I'll buy one.

A Blaser .375/404 ... when the lambs lie down with the lions ... I'd like to buy the world a Coke ... The Rapture has come!!!!

I've never seen any MS three ring action so it might be entertaining. Send it over - I have something even more ridiculous to trade you.

Saeed will enjoy seeing me tortured a bit anyway.

O.K.
We have a hostage situation.
Send Walter in to negotiate, or else!

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
I've never seen any MS three ring action so it might be entertaining. Send it over - I have something even more ridiculous to trade you.

Saeed will enjoy seeing me tortured a bit anyway.

RIP,

Watch him......whatever he has to trade could be bloody awful

Blair338/378,
Macifej has already sent me too much bloody awful stuff. Just trying to get even!

Then I wanna see the lamb lie down with the lion, a Blaser R93 in .375/404 Jeffery aka .375 Blaser Magnum.

I bet Saeed doesn't feel compelled to pull a Rick Jamison.

Doesn't look rebated in the drawing:

Did Walter smuggle a spent .375/404 case out of UAE?
Germans in cahoots?

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Blair338/378,
Macifej has already sent me too much bloody awful stuff. Just trying to get even!

Then I wanna see the lamb lie down with the lion, a Blaser R93 in .375/404 Jeffery aka .375 Blaser Magnum.

I bet Saeed doesn't feel compelled to pull a Rick Jamison.

Doesn't look rebated in the drawing:

Like that Ratzputz?????

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Blair338/378,
Macifej has already sent me too much bloody awful stuff. Just trying to get even!

Then I wanna see the lamb lie down with the lion, a Blaser R93 in .375/404 Jeffery aka .375 Blaser Magnum.

I bet Saeed doesn't feel compelled to pull a Rick Jamison.

Doesn't look rebated in the drawing:

Well then send the awful stuff I already sent you to Walter ( he'll know what to do with it )and send the awful videos to me. If someone comes through with the data then I'll send the awful videos to that person who can watch them and then offer them in trade for something else awful later in this thread.

Blair - you want in on this action ..??

Awfully good plan if you ask me ...

I'll do it.
Just wanted to draw attention to the possible espionage by Walter.

South American German "gunsmith" infiltrates UAE, as clown:
Shoots himself in fingers checking to see if pellet guns are loaded.
Gains Saeed's confidence as harmless idiot companion.
Plays Tonto to Kimosabe on safari: scarfs the occasional .375/404 hull from the long grass.
Plays Robin to Saeed's Batman back at the Bat Cave in UAE underground reloading lair: grabs a handful of hulls when Saeed is rolling on the floor laughing at some "Champion" with a concussion.

German company now building .375/404 Jeffery UAE wildcat renamed .375 BM.

Get my drift?
Hobby espionage!

Mighty suspicious.

quote:

Mighty suspicious.

Indeed. Perhaps an investigation is in order. Where is Walter anyway? Shouldn't he be answering questions over on his forum?

My worst fears have come true!

Walter has been pstering me to let him take his Blaser on Safari. I have steadfastly refused, saying that I only wanted to take one type of ammo.

He has actually asked me to chamber a barrel for him to take the 375/404. Something I am not about to do in a million years

But, I still have the trump card.

I bet these factory ammo are not PRECISELY the same as my own.

And as long as that is true, Walter's Blaser is going to rot in the gun cabinet, where it belongs!

quote:

I bet these factory ammo are not PRECISELY the same as my own.

What precisely might the new .375 BM case capacity be ...??

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
And as long as that is true, Walter's Blaser is going to rot in the gun cabinet, where it belongs!

Have enough room in there for Walter?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
My worst fears have come true!

Walter has been pstering me to let him take his Blaser on Safari. I have steadfastly refused, saying that I only wanted to take one type of ammo.

He has actually asked me to chamber a barrel for him to take the 375/404. Something I am not about to do in a million years

But, I still have the trump card.

I bet these factory ammo are not PRECISELY the same as my own.

And as long as that is true, Walter's Blaser is going to rot in the gun cabinet, where it belongs!

Jay,

I'll be in on the action but I'm just a poor boy who uses RUMs

You know, it is OK for you guys to laugh, but being around Walter is NOT a laughing matter!

About a month ago I got 150 Norma 404 brass cases which I wanted to form to our 375/404.

I never got around to doing it, as every day someone comes with something to be done "very urgently"

Yesterday Walter walked in, and I was about to start on these cases.

He offered to help - and knowing how lazy he is, I thought I will tell him how many different operations one has to do to each case before one can fire it.

We went through them as I finished one case. I arrived at 14 seperate operations.

Walter "Fifteen"
Me "No it isn't, it was 14 operations, so get started"

Walter "Fifteen, and I am not going to do it"
Me "I thought you said you wanted to help?"

Walter "Not when I have to do each case 15 times"
Me "Fine. Anyway, I wn't let you do the cases I am going to shoot. You never know, I am sure you will find some way of screwing things up"

Walter "Good. But you should try to learn counting. If you do 14 operations, you will not finish the job"

I did another case, deligently counting each operation, and arrived at 14.

Walter "You are missing the most important operation"

Me "Keep on dreaming. The 14th operation is seating the bullet. That is it"

Walter "Still not finished. I keep telling you, the most important job is not done yet"

Me "I give up1 What is it?"

Walter "pulling the triger! Ha ha ha ha!"

I honestly think a shrink would have a field day with this guy!

Walter may have said that operation #15 was to "pull the trigger,"
but he was thinking "send the brass to Blaser."
Yes, indeed Walter had plans for another step beyond your 14 operations in forming the brass!
There is always more to Walter than you think.
He is a Blaser spy!
If the .375 Blaser Magnum turns out to be a .375/404 Jeffery, you will know how it happened.

How different are these to the RUM's, lazzeronis and Dakota's line of magnums (Dakotas being a bit shorter perhaps)??

The market must be bigger than I assumed for new magnums.

Saeed,

If that gun of yours wasn't quite as effective as it is, it might have been worth considering rechambering to avoid the blaser coming along in the future!!



FB

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Walter may have said that operation #15 was to "pull the trigger,"
but he was thinking "send the brass to Blaser."
Yes, indeed Walter had plans for another step beyond your 14 operations in forming the brass!
There is always more to Walter than you think.
He is a Blaser spy!
If the .375 Blaser Magnum turns out to be a .375/404 Jeffery, you will know how it happened.

Saeed,

Has he confessed yet?

quote:

Originally posted by kayaker:
How different are these to the RUM's, lazzeronis and Dakota's line of magnums (Dakotas being a bit shorter perhaps)??

The market must be bigger than I assumed for new magnums.

kayaker,
Dakota has these shortened 404Jeff-based cases around 2.5" to 2.57" in length (varies):
7mm
300
338
375
404

Then they have their full length 404Jeff-based .416 Dakota at about 2.85" case length.

Then there is the 2.5" shortened .416Rigby-based .423 Dakota-Lapua oddball.

Then there is the full length .416Rigby-based 450 Dakota at 2.9" case length.

Lazzeroni cartridges are just a wee bit smaller than the .416 Rigby in case head and rim: unique Lazzeroni brass, bigger than 404Jeff-based cats.

RUMs are a wee bit bigger than 404Jeff in base/head, but smaller in rim: unique case size, rebated.
This only amounts to the thick Remington-brassed .375 RUM case being about 1 grain greater gross water capacity than Saeed's .375/404 which he makes with Norma brass.

Just looking at the cartoon ammo boxes of the 4 Blaser Magnums:

Maybe the 7mmBM and .338BM are shorter than the 300BM and the .375BM?
Two shorts, two longs?
Maybe they are of four different lengths from 2.5" to 2.85" in case length?

We do not know if they are 404Jeff-based, except from what Ganyana let slip.

Blaser and Norma are not talking yet,
except to claim a unique new brass based on nothing before used.

Saeed is not talking.

Walter is not talking.

Jay,
I'll get your booby prize mailed to you Saturday morning.

quote:

I'll get your booby prize mailed to you Saturday morning.

Great! I could use some amusement about now. I'll box up your awfully amusing trade and send it over .....

Thanks RIP,

I thought they were essentially identical to the RUM's.

Interesting, Blaser claims lower pressure, I would be curious to see what they run at.

Cheers

PS I new Blaser R93's were popular but watch an online promo video for hunting in Spain, just about every second hunter had an R93. Seems they are really popular in Europe?

I remember Saeed posting a photo, of a 270 Ackley. His 375 U.A.E. looks like a deadringer. A larger version of course, but very similar.
Saeed, would the 270 Ackley cartridge, that you used in your earlier safaris, served as an insperation for your 375?

kayaker,
The biggest Lazzeroni cartridges have a .5799" head diameter which is smaller than the .589" max for .416 Rigby. Lazz also has a couple of smaller head sizes for his smaller cartridges.

.366torque,
I am glad to see you adopting my previously suggested terminology for Saeed's cartridge, the ".375 United Arab Express." Maybe it will finally catch on?

".375 UAE" sure sounds a lot better than ".375 BM" (Bowel Movement).

Alas, Saeed must not even know the specs of his .375 UAE cartridge.
I guess he delegated the design to an American friend who simply necked down the .416 Dakota to .375 with no other changes. Had the reamers and dies made and sent them to Saeed.

It probably has a 30-degree shoulder at the same location (base to shoulder) as the .416 Dakota, so the neck is shortened appropriately by the .416 to .375 neck down.

The .416 Dakota has a .500"-long neck. Longer than necessary to secure the bullet.
I'll do the trig to figure the neck length of the .375 UAE. This will be the best estimate of this top secret data.

The .375 UAE is 2.85" long.
Simply a necked down .416 Dakota.
I would throat it like the modern spec for the .375 Weatherby, which is even found in C.I.P., if I designed it.

However, Saeed's friend probably just used the .375 Dakota neck diameter and throat specs.

All conjecture on my part.
Still "Super Cosmic Squirrel Top Secret."

quote:

".375 UAE" sure sounds a lot better than ".375 BM" (Bowel Movement).

Ja! Datz zee 3-7-5 Bauhaus Magnum or maybe Bowelhaus Magnum. My secret source says there is a new long action Cro-Magnum R93 ( not to be confused with the shorter French Cromagnon export version ) for the 375 BM. The mag box is now 4.213" ( 107 mm ) and the action is all steel. Looks like Walter may have played us in a game of one-upsmaship ...

Before we arrived at the final measurements, I necked an RWS 404 case down to 375.

Measured the neck thickness, added 0.375 + 0.002 if I remember rightly.

I would never own a cartridge that had "Bowel Movement" as part of it's name! I don't care how good it is.
Peter.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Before we arrived at the final measurements, I necked an RWS 404 case down to 375.

Measured the neck thickness, added 0.375 + 0.002 if I remember rightly.

Ah so!
You really designed it yourself and know the specs, just no blabbing after all these years, eh?

Saeed, you are being too vague about this as usual.
The latest crumb of information could be construed as being your method of establishing a neck diameter,
but whether for chamber minimum or cartridge maximum, I cannot tell.
At first glance it also could imply that the neck is .377" in length.

I am beginning to think that Walter designed the .375/404 UAE.
You really don't want anybody to copy your cartridge, do you?

I had to develop some .395-caliber wildcats to get my own "sole-proprietor" cartridges.
I understand your pleasure in this.
I will leave you alone on this subject ... for now.
Seven years of pestering you over this has got me nowhere anyway.

Here's hoping the .375 Blaser Magnum is a non-rebated, full length, necked down .404 Jeffery.
It cannot possibly be exactly like yours, unless Walter has spilled the beans.

I'm a doctor, not a physicist!
Bones in Star Trek 2009

quote:

At first glance it also could imply that the neck is .377" in length

Sorry my friend, wrong measurement

And speaking of our genius.

He was here day before yesterday with a friend of his.

He wanted to show him the animals in the backyard.

I thought I better go out with them, knowing Walter so well, I suspected something funny is going to happen

The cheetahs like to play with balls. And after having seen so many regular soccer balls get torn to pieces very queckly, we found some plastic balls for them.

These are made of very hard plastic, and are quite heavy.

Walter goes into the cheetah enclosure, saw one of the balls, and decided to kick it for the cheetah.

He was bare foot.

He whacked that ball so hard with his big toe. The ball went bouncing, Jassmin chasing it, and Walter hopping on one leg screaming "AO AO AO AO!

We had to take him to the pool, get him a drink, and put ice on his toe.

Yesterday he came over while we are having a pool party for the kids. He showed us his swolen and rather sad looking toe. I took a photo of it and will post it later in the day.

The kids wanted to see the meercats being fed. Walter wanted to join them.

My daughter said to him "You better follow me. We don't want you to get lost"

That cracked us all up, and the hurt look on Walter's face did not help our visitors laugh even more!

He said "Even this little monkey is making fun of me now!"

Poor Walter ...he's an abused soul.

Crank up your audio for:

Walter's Theme Song

Saeed,
The illustration of possible misinterpretation of your enigmatic specification was done just to help confuse anyone who thought you had actually revealed a single measurement of your cartridge.

After all these years, all we know for sure is that it fires a .375-caliber bullet from a modified 404 Jeffery case.


Walter's Theme Music: Perfect! Thanks to Macifej.
"Oh there's always a funny man in the game, but he's only funny by mistake."
Sergio Mendes and Brasil '66, "The Joker"
Walter's Theme Song

Walter could work that into his next cross-dressing safari road show as a lipsync or karaoke performance.

Can't wait to see the photograph of the latest example of Walter's "self-mutilation humor by mistake."
He is a really funny man!
Bravo Walter!
Bravissimo!
Walter! Walter! Walter!
A standing-and-hopping-on-one-foot ovation for Walter!

RIP - your digital refuse arrived safe & sound yesterday. Is it customary to cradle ones rifle, ocassionally cycling the action, while watching from the couch, drink in hand ..??

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Is it customary to cradle ones rifle, ocassionally cycling the action, while watching from the couch, drink in hand ..?? rotflmo

Macifej,
You say that like it's a bad thing?!
kh

quote:

Originally posted by Macifej:
RIP - your digital refuse arrived safe & sound yesterday. Is it customary to cradle ones rifle, ocassionally cycling the action, while watching from the couch, drink in hand ..??

Absolutely. Be sure your rifle is not loaded and see if you can beat MS to the trigger pull.
He seemed drunk in the later videos anyway.
You can do it.
Burn them when you get sick of them.

Saeed,

When I was a child we had a cartoon character here in the states called "Mr. Magoo". He was a rather uncomplicated soul blissfully unaware of the havoc he created and the danger that always managed to miss him by millimeters. He ventured on through life, wrapped in his own little world, avoiding certain death at every turn while creating a wake of misery for others around him.

For some reason, when I read your latest account of the exploits and times of Walter, I was reminded of that cartoon....