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The problem with current Afican Politics, stems from the fact that the British, and the rest of Europe, did not know how to play Cowboys and Indians. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | ||
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Another question what stopped the Boers to trek into Botswana, Zimbabwe and settle in there as well as their own country like they did with the Free State and Transvaal????? The British! Can you imagine what paradise it would have been if South Africa comprised out of South Africa, Zim, Zambia, Botswana, Namibia and Mozambique. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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Baised on what I have seen of South Africa there was not near enough of Cowboys and Indians there either. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Take it to the political forum. But as long as you brought it up  ,When I fly over Africa and when I fly over the US, the most obvious difference is that the US is settled. There is not a blade of grass unmowed, a field not plowed. Compared to some large parts of Africa there is an insignificant amount of big game. In most States, you can hunt deer for about two weeks a year. A whoop big deal! One cannot keep do-gooders at bay. Most of us old guys qould be already dead without modern medicine. So time and population growth and idiot politicians will transform what is left of the US into one big suburban sprawl and Africa will become one big tribal urban squaller, where the game is gone and where many will feed on guilt-ridden foreign food stuffs because they are so disadvantaged, as they always have been viewed and will always be viewed until the end of time. So...just consider yourself lucky that your insignificant time on this earth was, for a few moments, filled with those magical, game-filled days under the hot, African sun. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Lone Ranger: "Look Tonto, here comes 10 million Mashona & Matabele, and there lookin' to kill white men! We better find a good place to hide." Tonto: "What do you mean WE, pale face!" Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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You can add the U.S. in there when you talk about mishandling Africa as well. We could have jumped in there and kept Ian Smith in as leader of Rhodesia with very little effort. But where were we??? Putting presure on South Africa to cut off supplies to Smith's army. Which I will never understand as Mugabe was North Korea trained and the Matabele guy from the south (whose name I can't remember) was trained in China I believe. And we, U.S., pretty much just watched it happen. Then in South Africa, we pretty much supported the whole Nelson Mandelo anti-apartheid (sp?) thing as well. So when pointing fingers about mishandling Africa, you have to point to U.S. as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Will, you really said a mouthfull. Couldn't agree more. I'm 64, so if I get in another Africa hunt or two, I'll be eternally grateful to the Gods of Hunting. If you're a young guy contemplating an African hunt when you get a little older, don't wait. Do it now, and take the wife along, if she'll go. Everyone should see the place at least once before it goes away. I've traveled all over the world and there are many places I'd love to return to. but I'm going to have a friend scatter some of my ashes in the Selous. It's paradise, and how long will it last? | |||
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Come on guys, let´s be fair. What is going wrong in africa is basically every man who can get some power uses it to his own personal gain and fights any opposition with meaningless bureaucracy and/or violence. Who taugth them that? They didn´t make it up out of their own tribal culture. Imagine how magnificent Africa once was and what it would be like if we hadn´t f***ed it up in the first place. Then start slinging blame around... The comparison to america would be that the brittish, and others, stopped while there was still a little left. | |||
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Tribalism is the main problem. And the Big Man. Neither of these developed from colonialism. Tribalism has always existed. Big Men, such as Mugabe, have, also. The introduction of the AK has a lot to do with strife in post Cold War Africa. And diamonds. This discussion really belongs in the political forum. | |||
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Yes, this thread is quite absurd. Tonto would never have said such a thing. Jay Silverheels perhaps, but not Tonto. "This is all I have to say." - Chief Ten Bears | |||
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Besides the dictatorial "Big Man" and "All for One" problems that beset nearly all African nations, modern day African political problems have a lot to do with the fact that the European powers carved up Africa into colonies with borders that suited themselves. They did this, as a general matter, without regard to tribal, ethnic, religious or any other local lines of affiliation or affinity, and those unnatural borders still survive today. And don't kid yourself, the Europeans knew how to play "cowboys and indians" as well as their American counterparts. The European colonists were, however, thwarted by geography and disease, not to mention of course that they were vastly outnumbered, and these factors, together with "African nationalist" politics, led ultimately to the downfall of the colonies. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Self-imposed guilt and a lack of will to win, along with a back-stabbing USA, in great part led to the down fall of the colonies. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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What I find frustrating about the U.S.' role in (recent) S.A. history is the desire for immediate gratification. I think we can all agree - I hope - that aparthied was not the right thing. However demanding it change virtually overnight was and continues to be totally unrealistic. One of the most vocal Americans on the subject was Jimmy Carter. A man who spent the first half of his life living under essentially the same system (by another name) in the southern U.S.! It took 100 years for segregation to officially end here and some issues - real or imagined - continue to persist fourty years after the official end. Yet S.A. was expected to turn 180 degrees overnight without problem. An old man sleeps with his conscience, a young man sleeps with his dreams. | |||
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Jimmy Carter. Possibly one of the biggest fools that ever lived, except possibly for those that voted for him.  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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possibly? how about the biggest looser ever VERITAS ODIUM PARIT | |||
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You might want to get prepared for another "Jimmy Carter like era". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What was so bad about aparthied? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'll second that. The country's still paying for some of the mistakes he made. Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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It depends MR. WE (the US) had a lot to do with it. After WWII, we put a LOT of pressure on the colonial powers to divest themselves of thier empires under the notion of the "right of self-determination." A fine ideal on face value, but africa was about 100 years behind that concept and when you introduce communism, they could not win without US support. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I agree, jorge, and did not mean to discount those influences. The pressure was both external as well as internal. The American pressure for majority rule, and the Russian communist support for radical nationalist causes (and the flood of AKs, RPGs, etc. that the Russians provided) were very big factors. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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