Glad Zim and Tanz is not US Gov. friendly or there would be no hunting...something to think about!

Maybe we should buy a country home in Zim!

and the US govt gets to show the 3rd world who is the boss.

Sad thing is, we constantly try to tell everyone what to do and how to do and chickens come home to roost
That is the underlying problem here... and it includes both parties unfortunately and overall general thinking of majority of population
Then shit hits the roof and we cry wolf
Yes we gotta do something but it has to start with all of us

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
and the US govt gets to show the 3rd world who is the boss Ignorant!

Fixed it for you Matt.

If the USA was the boss anymore...you would not see Putin running rough-shod over Ukraine...you would not see ISIS over-taking Iraq. Sad...really.

http://www.huntingreport.com/w...te.cfm?articleid=673



What is Being Done to Change USFWS Decision on Zimbabwe Elephant Import Suspension

(posted July 24, 2014)

The US Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) has confirmed the suspension on the import of elephant sporthunted trophies from Zimbabwe, but there is still hope that decision will be rescinded. For now, no elephant trophies from Zimbabwe taken on or after April 4, 2014 will be allowed to enter the United States. This was the decision announced late yesterday, July 23, 2014. This is despite all of the information submitted to USFWS regarding the status of Zimbabwe’s elephant population, its management and the contribution to its survival from hunting programs and revenues. However, there is still work being done that may overturn the suspension this season.

The current news is disappointing to hunting conservationists who have worked round the clock these last three months to lift the suspension. As we have reported during this period, John J. Jackson, III, of Conservation Force has been collecting information from the Government of Zimbabwe, NGOs, safari operators, professional hunter associations and individuals to correct errors in USFWS’ original findings and show how sporthunting not only contributes to the enhancement but ensures the survival of elephant in Zimbabwe. According to a statement issued today, the Service says it is “unable to find that the killing of an elephant whose trophy is intended for import into the United States would enhance the survival of the species in the wild.”

The reasons are provided in a 15-page Enhancement Finding issued by the chief of the Branch of Permits. The reasons given include old management plans that do no provide information on strategies, implementation or meeting of objectives; currently inadequate information on populations; what the Service deems inadequate enforcement of laws and the financial resources to provide that enforcement; and insufficient information on how funds from programs such as CAMPFIRE are actually being used to incentivize communities to conserve elephants. Finally, USFWS believes there is not sufficient support from the Central Government of Zimbabwe and Rural District Councils to make conservation efforts fully successful or to compensate for “management deficiencies.” The Service plans to re-evaluate its decision in December 2014 or when additional information is provided to address the gaps in the data it has identified. You can read the complete announcement and enhancement finding for yourself on the USFWS website.

At Conservation Force, Jackson is not deterred by the decision. On the contrary, he says the Enhancement Finding helps better understand and address the Service’s requirements to rescind the suspension.

“We will be filing an extensive response shortly as I am sure Zimbabwe will as well. Conservation Force already has a supplement to its initial Comment in preparation and it is almost ready for filing,” says Jackson. “The new decision provides us an additional road map to respond more effectively with that supplement. Some of the issues we foresaw and are already addressing: The new national plan and the up-to-date surveying are already in our response. We expected a second round of questions from the USFWS, but this will only serve to clarify the situation. The targets we need to hit are becoming clearer and better defined.”

Look for another enhancement review and finding from USFWS in the near future. In the meantime anyone who can assist Jackson with information gathering or financial support should contact his office in at 504-837-1233 or by email at cf@conservationforce.org.


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Originally posted by shootaway:
Maybe we should buy a country home in Zim!

At this point, I'l bet a guy could have made great money buying such a place about 10 years ago.

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Maybe we should buy a country home in Zim!

At this point, I'l bet a guy could have made great money buying such a place about 10 years ago.

I was never into making money by buying something that gave me no or peanut income and waiting around 10 or 30 yrs hopeing its value increases-it just wasn't for me.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://www.huntingreport.com/w...te.cfm?articleid=673



What is Being Done to Change USFWS Decision on Zimbabwe Elephant Import Suspension

(posted July 24, 2014)

The US Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) has confirmed the suspension on the import of elephant sporthunted trophies from Zimbabwe, but there is still hope that decision will be rescinded. For now, no elephant trophies from Zimbabwe taken on or after April 4, 2014 will be allowed to enter the United States. This was the decision announced late yesterday, July 23, 2014. This is despite all of the information submitted to USFWS regarding the status of Zimbabwe’s elephant population, its management and the contribution to its survival from hunting programs and revenues. However, there is still work being done that may overturn the suspension this season.

The current news is disappointing to hunting conservationists who have worked round the clock these last three months to lift the suspension. As we have reported during this period, John J. Jackson, III, of Conservation Force has been collecting information from the Government of Zimbabwe, NGOs, safari operators, professional hunter associations and individuals to correct errors in USFWS’ original findings and show how sporthunting not only contributes to the enhancement but ensures the survival of elephant in Zimbabwe. According to a statement issued today, the Service says it is “unable to find that the killing of an elephant whose trophy is intended for import into the United States would enhance the survival of the species in the wild.”

The reasons are provided in a 15-page Enhancement Finding issued by the chief of the Branch of Permits. The reasons given include old management plans that do no provide information on strategies, implementation or meeting of objectives; currently inadequate information on populations; what the Service deems inadequate enforcement of laws and the financial resources to provide that enforcement; and insufficient information on how funds from programs such as CAMPFIRE are actually being used to incentivize communities to conserve elephants. Finally, USFWS believes there is not sufficient support from the Central Government of Zimbabwe and Rural District Councils to make conservation efforts fully successful or to compensate for “management deficiencies.” The Service plans to re-evaluate its decision in December 2014 or when additional information is provided to address the gaps in the data it has identified. You can read the complete announcement and enhancement finding for yourself on the USFWS website.

At Conservation Force, Jackson is not deterred by the decision. On the contrary, he says the Enhancement Finding helps better understand and address the Service’s requirements to rescind the suspension.

“We will be filing an extensive response shortly as I am sure Zimbabwe will as well. Conservation Force already has a supplement to its initial Comment in preparation and it is almost ready for filing,” says Jackson. “The new decision provides us an additional road map to respond more effectively with that supplement. Some of the issues we foresaw and are already addressing: The new national plan and the up-to-date surveying are already in our response. We expected a second round of questions from the USFWS, but this will only serve to clarify the situation. The targets we need to hit are becoming clearer and better defined.”

Look for another enhancement review and finding from USFWS in the near future. In the meantime anyone who can assist Jackson with information gathering or financial support should contact his office in at 504-837-1233 or by email at cf@conservationforce.org.


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Important part in Bold!! Obviously contributions to Conservation Force would be a good idea.

Why doesnt USFWS actually do something pro-active and provide some staff to actually HELP the Zim govt actually write the proper management plans??

Rhetorical question..... I apologise....

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Why doesnt USFWS actually do something pro-active and provide some staff to actually HELP the Zim govt actually write the proper management plans??

Rhetorical question..... I apologise....

Probably the same reason your Government can't give a good reason for not allowing you to import leopard or Elephant I guess.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Why doesnt USFWS actually do something pro-active and provide some staff to actually HELP the Zim govt actually write the proper management plans??

Rhetorical question..... I apologise....

Probably the same reason your Government can't give a good reason for not allowing you to import leopard or Elephant I guess.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Why doesnt USFWS actually do something pro-active and provide some staff to actually HELP the Zim govt actually write the proper management plans??

No hunter anywhere would want the USFWS writing a management plan for any species that needs proper management or value placed on it as a game animal!!

Just keep on elephant hunting, then have the tusks shipped to northern Mexico and bring them across the border from the south. Hell, everything else gets in here that way, might as well get your ivory that way too!

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Originally posted by DLS:
Just keep on elephant hunting, then have the tusks shipped to northern Mexico and bring them across the border from the south. Hell, everything else gets in here that way, might as well get your ivory that way too!

Good one!

Sounds like an income opportunity to me. Knowledgeable shipper sets up in a home in another country-sells time shares that include partial ownership-send the trophies there for a period of time then import to the U.S.?

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Originally posted by drj:
Sounds like an income opportunity to me. Knowledgeable shipper sets up in a home in another country-sells time shares that include partial ownership-send the trophies there for a period of time then import to the U.S.?

I reckon we could do something like that with our guest apartment and extra trophy storage space in what is shortly to become a very secure gun and rod room...... and could also lay on hunting, shooting and fishing trips whilst people are here as well.

Periods of around 2 weeks P/A with free trophy import assistance for USD8500 per 10 years (possibly) plus a small annual maintenance/insurance charge sounds about right to me.

Hmmmmmmmm

Vote this fall and help to get out the vote. When Obama and his buddies are gone things will change. In the meantime, hunt elephants in Africa and get replicas of the tusks. I've heard they look very realistic.

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Originally posted by shakari:

I reckon we could do something like that with our guest apartment and extra trophy storage space in what is shortly to become a very secure gun and rod room...... and could also lay on hunting, shooting and fishing trips whilst people are here as well.

Periods of around 2 weeks P/A with free trophy import assistance for USD8500 per 10 years (possibly) plus a small annual maintenance/insurance charge sounds about right to me.

Hmmmmmmmm

I don't think many would be content with a timeshare arrangement. The way to do it would be to build a block of studio apartments in some cool locale that would also be "wife friendly" and then essentially sell "remote trophy rooms". Bet in some places it could be very very reasonable.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Why doesnt USFWS actually do something pro-active and provide some staff to actually HELP the Zim govt actually write the proper management plans??

Rhetorical question..... I apologise....

Probably the same reason your Government can't give a good reason for not allowing you to import leopard or Elephant I guess.

Well they gave a reason thirty years ago; now the elephant situation has changed (increasing numbers) none of them have had the balls to change it back.

We can still import lions and polar bears and other cool things - go figure....

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by shakari:

I reckon we could do something like that with our guest apartment and extra trophy storage space in what is shortly to become a very secure gun and rod room...... and could also lay on hunting, shooting and fishing trips whilst people are here as well.

Periods of around 2 weeks P/A with free trophy import assistance for USD8500 per 10 years (possibly) plus a small annual maintenance/insurance charge sounds about right to me.

Hmmmmmmmm

I don't think many would be content with a timeshare arrangement. The way to do it would be to build a block of studio apartments in some cool locale that would also be "wife friendly" and then essentially sell "remote trophy rooms". Bet in some places it could be very very reasonable.

Certainly a good point but it'd be a lot more expensive.

I reckon the options would be:

Buy/build a block of studio apartments in some cool locale that would also be "wife friendly" and then essentially sell "remote trophy rooms.

A time share such as I mentioned above where trophies are kept in a secure trophy room that owners of the trophies would have access to whilst there.

Simply pay to have them stored in a secure location outside the USA.

The first option would be very expensive (or at least it would be in Europe) and very hard/expensive to organise the security.

The other options would be considerably less expensive and a lot easier. my previous comments were rather tongue in cheek but thinking about it, we could do it here quite easily and at a reasonable price........ but that said, it'd be daft to discuss it on a public forum for the obvious security issues..... So if anyone is genuinely interested and wants to discuss that issue further, please contact me by PM or email and I won't mention it further here.

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Originally posted by Ackley Improved User:
Vote this fall and help to get out the vote. When Obama and his buddies are gone things will change.