I agree that AR stands head and shoulders above other hunting sites, insofar as hunting knowledge is concerned. I visit other sites, but I hang around here. Some may find it hostile, but I don't. I've learned a lot on AR and made friends as well. Many thanks to everyone involved.

David

Oh my God, I just posted a statement about another site and mentioned Ray posted there as some on here have ask where has Ray gone. Ray may be a crusty old man and may have pissed some off, but the string was highjacked so some idiots could continue their ragging on him.

I didn't know commercial sites would offend so many americans (most believe in free enterprise) but then they did elect Obumma who is telling all everything should be free.

Say what you will this is a contenous site, but only the choosen few have been banned.

I will continue to visit and post on each board (if I am allowed to post here) as I meet different people and get different information on each site. There is nothing wrong with expanding ones horizons, eh.

Have a good day, if you can.

Imagine if SCI had a forum!

One would have to pay to join, then there will be classes of members, depending on how much one actually "donates"!

There would be all sorts of "inner circles" and to belong to them one would have to "donate" some more.

Wasn't Carmelo who set up a site, where certain parts of the forum were only accessible to certain members?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Imagine if SCI had a forum!

One would have to pay to join, then there will be classes of members, depending on how much one actually "donates"!

There would be all sorts of "inner circles" and to belong to them one would have to "donate" some more.

Now, now Saeed, I cannot ban you so will just ask you to please stay on topic.

Dave

In looking at this thread I see only one person "gator" who has brought up 'ol Ray (repeatedly!).
I have not tried the other site yet, but will give it a look sometime.
Peter.

Peter, not so, dogcat and jeffive jumped in and the others joined in to defend Ray.

SCI may have their inner circles, but Don, Steve and Saeed have their own inner circle.

I find it most interesting that the original post was about a civil attitude on another site.. and immediately the thread became a place for some folks to denigrate others.

Sure, I know that I err, too, but someone explain the necessity of such a nurturing and subsequent regurgitation of bile, please.

I guess I'm like Rodney King (without a multi-million dollar settlement and a knotty head). "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"

Thanks, Ernest.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Thanks, Ernest.

Die:

The two of us fuss all the time over the internet (about SCI or doubles v. bolts)... but when I met you in person, I found you to be a gentleman. I think most folks who have differences here would discover the same about the majority against whom they complain if they had a cool one together.

Now, lets complain about Cats and Carmelo! I didn't include them(him?) in the above.

Ernest, a good single malt will mellow any of us, eh. See you in Dallas - party time!

Ernest on second thought how dangerous can a CPA be, after all aren't we the Casper Milktoasts of the world.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
I'll bet Ray bought them that server just so some posts would disappear, probably installed it against their will, too.

Saeed - You crack me up. Leave a little crack open and no mercy. In all honesty maybe they should have a forum and help clear up a lot of misconceptions about the organization?


Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Imagine if SCI had a forum!

One would have to pay to join, then there will be classes of members, depending on how much one actually "donates"!

There would be all sorts of "inner circles" and to belong to them one would have to "donate" some more.

Wasn't Carmelo who set up a site, where certain parts of the forum were only accessible to certain members?

Larry over there (HA) I saw a post about Lions and read the interview and went to the LWL (Living With Lions) site and was happy to see SCI thru SCIF were one of their sponsers, but of course it only listed them as a sponser and did not list the amount of support they received from SCI so as you know it is just window dressing for SCI. It is amazing all the organizations that help SCI with their "window dressing", eh.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Peter, not so, dogcat and jefffive jumped in and the others joined in to defend Ray.

SCI may have their inner circles, but Don, Steve and Saeed have their own inner circle.

Pardon me?? I believe I mentioned Ray twice, once to say he had never done me harm and once to speculate that the new server was part of his diabolical plot.

Well? Diabolical plot is this friendly?

Ain't this fun?

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Well? Diabolical plot is this friendly?

Ain't this fun?

I guess you were the one person who read that post and didn't get that it was a joke. Everybody knows Ray is too cheap to give anybody anything...

Is that what you were referencing about me "jumping in" to denigrate Ray?

I wonder how much Ray's .500 Jeffery weighs over on the other site? That SOB of a rifle had a serious weight/dieting/regaining problem over here. Whatever fit the moment.

Have you guys ever seen something and known that you shouldnt, but just couldnt resist so you did anyway?

I just couldnt help but saying hello to Ray over at the new site.

http://www.africahunting.com/h...ration.html#post1898



Drummond Lindsey

Drum,
You are a cold hearted dude! He probably has sold that monster mule deer in New Mexico about 5 more times and here you go and wreck his deal....

ddd?

Well, I had a good run over there, I'm sure my stay wont be long

I just couldnt help myself

http://www.africahunting.com/h...fitter.html#post1899

Drummond

Hey, let's start a totally useless flame war between sites that serves no positive purpose for either site, just to have a pissing match!!

I don't know Ray, but would read that "discrepancy" to mean he had been hunting for ten years or so before he started booking hunts sometime in the late '60s, about the time I got out of Jr. High school. I'm pretty sure somebody was booking hunts then, I remember seeing ads in Field and Stream, but I don't remember who they were.

Ah, piss on it, ya'll are gonna do what you're gonna do...

Yep! Didnt take long...

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Drummond

I am not suprised..
Oh well, you are welcome here.

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Yep! Didnt take long...

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Drummond

2 posts and seeya!? What took you so long?

Makes me appreciate AR all the more, though it sure has quieted down lately. Maybe there is a DRook rookie in the wings.

Here is what I posted...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Atkinson
It is a dangerous game and every year of my 50 plus years of being involved in the game one or more people, either hunters or PHs or camp staff, have been injured seriously and/or killed.


Hi Ray, havent seen you around much over at AR or 24Hr

50+ years Ray? Did Jack Atcheson and Bert Klineberger put you down as a reference when they founded, errr excuse me, got their start in the booking industry? What an accomplishment that you can hang your hat on Ray.

I was under the impression that Atcheson was the "original" booking agent and was the founder of the industry but on his website it says that he has only been in business since 1955, "Atchesons have been full-time hunting trip planners and consultants since 1955." So was it Atcheson or Atkinson that founded the industry?

Damn Ray, now I'm confused, you put in another thread where it was merely 40 years of service in the industry that you bring to the table. Heres the quote

"In my 40 years of booking I had one individual that had a great hunt but tried to do damage because he didn't get a Lion. He also did the same thing to a Canadian outfitter and then to his taxidermist, so this is a two way street"

50+ years or 40 years Ray?

Oops, here's another reference to 40 years. Must be 40 and not 50 years of service. Jack Atcheson can now sleep at night knowing that he was the originator of the industry. I can understand how upset he might be if you stole his thunder, especially with your names sounding so similar. Heres your quote.

"I have had about two complaints and one major big time poopaw in the last 40 plus years and had to cough up a bunch of deposits to my clients on that major poopaw when he upped and disapeared. I chose to refund them their deposits and let them have wholesale hunts the following year to just make everything right..I hocked my house on that one, but found that bum and got every cent back from him..."

So Ray, when use the word "poopaw" are you refering to when you busted if off in Sheephunters "poopaw" on his Kigosi/Masailand safari or when somebody broke it off in your "poopaw"? Just wondering.

Good to see you Ray, keep in touch. I left you my contact info via pm over at 24HR

Drummond Lindsey

Can you believe I got banned for that?

Good hunting everybody,

Drummond

If your facts are correct, then it appears to me a proper and formal calling of....wait for it...



Jeff

Drummond - Man, I'll remember always to quote facts regarding my 75 plus years in the industry! Last thing I want is you up my ass with a microscope!!

By the way, I talked to your buddy Les at the P&Y convention here in Denver a week or two ago!

Aaron

Drummond, someone must have clicked the "Report Bad Post" icon and ratted you out.

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I don't think what you did was harassment or cyber bullying. It was clearly PG rated. No threats. Not a personal attack, at least not by my standards. Not a trolling or off-topic post.

I think you were just not friendly and respectful enough.

Shame on you.

My ears! My ears! My eyes, my eyes! I never heard or read such bad language and words. Ouch! Did I hear an ego getting dented or the just the wind of big talker getting exhaled?

I did not see or read anything that was wrong or not based on what Ray has said in the past. Ray conveniently left out the details of some of his escapades.

Oh well, he will "out" himself soon enough over there. It appears he is a moderator there as well, hence your quick exit.

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Drummond

2 posts and seeya!? What took you so long?

Makes me appreciate AR all the more, though it sure has quieted down lately. Maybe there is a DRook rookie in the wings.

yea, and i think his new incarnation is Whackemandstackem

Careful or Peter will denigrate you guys in a post.

I guess he never read much from McBragg before Old Ray was laughed off of this site.

Just visited africahunting and I saw many handles that I have seen here before and my, my they sure seem happy there. I did see one poster that (for some reason) felt he needed to use another handle. Why would someone feel the need to post under a different handle Drummond?

I joined.
Good enough for me, I have no eggs in eighter basket and nothing to prove.
If I can learn something, my mind is open.

Good for you Arild, one can always learn more and new things, I know I do every day.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Just visited africahunting and I saw many handles that I have seen here before and my, my they sure seem happy there. I did see one poster that (for some reason) felt he needed to use another handle. Why would someone feel the need to post under a different handle Drummond?

I am more than happy to clear this up for you. The "handle" I normally use on hunting related websites is huntsonora, which is derived from my passion for chasing big deer around Sonora Mexico. Huntsonora is my handle on every website I frequent and was my handle here until my account info was hacked on another site and used here by another person. Because of that my account was deleted and Don asked to create a new account. Due to the fact that I will sign my name on every post I just went with drummondlindsey. I am a little surprised that this is an issue seeing as to how I signed my post over on the new site.

If there is anything else I can help you with please feel free to ask.

Drummond

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Originally posted by Gator1:
Yeah, I see McBragg is now claiming to have hunted in Kenya years ago.

It seems like only last year that he was telling people on HuntAmerica about his first trip to Africa in 1998.

I think you are sorely mistaken sir! I would be very intrested in seeing where you found that little tid-bit of information, because I know for a fact he has been hunting Africa at least 20 yrs before 1998!

How about you find that info you claim to have read posted by Ray, because if you do I'll re-post it all over the net, but I don't think you can find it, because I don't think it exists!

Mac

We are both wrong. I evidently flipped the dates.

I got an email from a friend in Idaho who states that Ray told him that he first hunted in Africa in 1989 in Zim. He forgot the outfitter.

A Lot of difference from what McBragg is posting on the new site about hunting in Africa for over 50 years.

Since he knows Ray personally and business wise I won't post his name.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Good for you Arild, one can always learn more and new things, I know I do every day.

And if you read my previous post you learned something else today!

Drummond

Drum/Hunt or which ever. When I saw the posts on HA the body was deleted and showed no signature, also one place Windsor, Co other Western US. To the "uniformed" not knowing all allias used it appeared to just maybe the poster is a troller. JMO

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Careful or Peter will denigrate you guys in a post.

Gator1 where did you get this from? Are you implying that I denigrated you in a post? If so, where? I do not know you from Adam, and to be honest, I am rather glad of that fact.
Peter.