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I have a 21 day safari booked in the Selous for 2009. Have been thinking about other options just in case the new fees stick. Zim seems like the best second choice when looking for a Big 4/PG for a few reasons.

By full bag I mean Bull Elephant (45 pounds plus, preferably plus), Lion, Leopard, Tuskless Elephant, Buffalo(bull and cow), Hippo, Croc, Sable, PG (most interested in good Kudu, Bushbuck, Nyala, Grysbok, Waterbuck, Bushpig, Warthog).

So, Where in Zimbabwe would you go for the above safari? Where would give the best chance for success on most of the DG(especially Elephant and Lion) species plus good sable and PG. Would like somewhere where getting close to the Elephant/Buffalo/etc is a real option. Some species will be (spot/stalk) bow hunted. Good fishing nearby is a plus.

Who has the best record for successful full bag hunts?
 
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Ask David Hulme. He's associated with Roger Whittall Safaris. I know their hunts are sold out this year but I believe Roger has a few late season hunts coming up. They've taken some excellent game this season. Good hunting, LDK


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16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
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Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
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Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
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10 days in the Stormberg Mountains
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Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson

Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
 
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Thanks but wouldn't be for this year. Would be 2008 or 2009 and then maybe only if the TZN fee increase stays like it is.
 
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I'd say no worries then on booking with Roger. Check some of the past posts David Hulme has left. He just posted an Nyala yesterday (I believe) that measures 29.5 inches. The pic is posted and he's a toad! GH, David


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Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262
Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142
Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007
16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409
Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311
Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941
10 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322
Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson

Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
 
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For a full bagger I would contact Chifuti Safaris and try to line up a hunt in Chewore North. Good outfit, I took three of the big five there in May of this year. Also saw quite a few lion and ellie bulls on the hunt. See my post on African Hunting Reports for details. Good hunting!


On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch...
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
- Rudyard Kipling

Life grows grim without senseless indulgence.
 
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I have had 2 excellent Safaris in Zimbabwe with Brooklands Safaris.


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Matetsi or Chirisa would be great.
 
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For a full bagger I would contact Chifuti Safaris and try to line up a hunt in Chewore North. Good outfit, I took three of the big five there in May of this year. Also saw quite a few lion and ellie bulls on the hunt. See my post on African Hunting Reports for details. Good hunting!


How were the tuskers and did you see any mature Male Lions?
 
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Matetsi or Chirisa would be great.


Is Lion hunting open in Matetsi? HHK hunts both areas correct?
 
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Omay, Good for DG plus Hippo, Croc and Sable but the area doesn't have good PG.


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Matetsi or Chirisa would be great.


Is Lion hunting open in Matetsi? HHK hunts both areas correct?


Not at the moment but maybe by 09.
HHK, Jumbo Moore and Buffalo range Safaris.
 
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When I was in Matetsi back in February, Unit 1 had been "bought at auction" by a new owner. Things were changing a little even then. We stayed the night in one of the best camps but met with the new owner in Bulawayo later. It will be interesting to see how that unit turns out. LDK


Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris
http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333
Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com
NRA Benefactor
DSC Professional Member
SCI Member
RMEF Life Member
NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor
NAHC Life Member
Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer
Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262
Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142
Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007
16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409
Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311
Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941
10 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322
Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson

Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
 
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Originally posted by L. David Keith:
When I was in Matetsi back in February, Unit 1 had been "bought at auction" by a new owner. Things were changing a little even then. We stayed the night in one of the best camps but met with the new owner in Bulawayo later. It will be interesting to see how that unit turns out. LDK


Changing for the better or worse?
 
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Yuo could contact Gordon Duncan or Glen Stockill with Shaangan Hunters. They have an opening, I think, for later this year. you would not be disapointed
 
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YOU CAN NOT GO WRONG GOING WITH ROGER WHITTALL
 
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Changing for the better or worse?


That remains to be seen. LDK


Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris
http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333
Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com
NRA Benefactor
DSC Professional Member
SCI Member
RMEF Life Member
NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor
NAHC Life Member
Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer
Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262
Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142
Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007
16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409
Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311
Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941
10 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322
Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson

Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
 
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You will probably need to relocate at least once during your hunt to have good chances at your whole list. I know for a fact that there are a good number of elephant, leopard, sable, buff, croc and hippo in the Makuti area near Kariba.

Of course, I will say that Charlton McCallum Safaris is a great option and many others here like them as well. Read some of the recent hunt reports about them.


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Yeah Roger is defiantly the man to hunt with and the animal life in chewer and Humani is amazing and they do a very professional job
 
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How were the tuskers and did you see any mature Male Lions?


Bulldog,
The best bull I saw carried approximately 40 pounds but Dave Fulson killed a 52 next door in Sapi a couple of weeks after I left. They also killed a couple of 50's in Chewore North before I arrived. These are EXCEPTIONS though and I would not pass a nice 40 pound bull holding out for something bigger unless my PH so advised.

I also saw three different lion just riding through the concession. I saw many lioness's and cubs. Lion sightings were almost a daily occurence.

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You will probably need to relocate at least once during your hunt to have good chances at your whole list.


I disagree with this statement. I saw everything you listed in Chewore North including tigerfishing in the Zambezi River. I even saw an nyala bull along the Chewore River but the quota is very limited so you will have to request this very early to be successful. This is why I mentioned Chifuti and the Sapi and Chewore North concessions. You may not get everything on your list (that is fair chase hunting!) but you would have the opportunity.

Omay may be a longshot... it is on Kariba but remember it is a communal area and is pounded hard, especially PG.

Just my $.02 worth.


On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch...
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
- Rudyard Kipling

Life grows grim without senseless indulgence.
 
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Hi Bulldog,

I can assist with the big 4 in Zimbabwe. I have arranged bowhunts for Chuck Adams, Pete Shepley, Randy Walk, Garry Bogner, 2 presidents of Dallas Safari Club, to name a few. From elephant down. Leave next month for 3 back to back elephant/buffalo/leopard hunts in Matetsi 5 as as well as Cawston Ranch. 3 TV shows filming. One with Pete Shepley. I have 7 other dangerous game with bow scheduled between now and end of year. I have one lion and buffalo for this year if you can make it. Lion is VERY affordable. I have been doing BH in Africa for 15 years. Visit my website.

Good luck and regards,


RON OLIVER
830-336--3345
234 W. Bandera Rd 310
Boerne, TX 78006
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I truly believe in the end you will have better success by not mixing elephant hunting with cat hunting. 21 days is too short of a time and you very easily could end up running around and not giving yourself the proper time to hunt the each species properly. Just food for thought. Lion hunting, Leopard, and buff go hand and hand. Buffalo is great lion bait.
 
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Lightening has a valid point.

Cat hunting is very labor intensive, shooting and hanging and checking bait.

Elephant and buff hunting is also time consuming.

I would recommend you at least have another "car" with people that can go out and check your baits every morning so you can spend that time hunting.

My first safari was 21 days... to short. my second was 30 and my last 35 hunting days.

The more days the better.

Of course you might just get lucky. On my last Safari I hunted 15 days in Cheowore South and got a buff, elephant and a lion.

Elephant makes good lion bait too, even though I did not shoot my lion over bait.

I could have shot a leopard off of a lion bait one morning, but we did not want to spook the lion if he was nearby, so we let the leopard go.


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John Sharp--#1 elephant and # 1 leopard last year.
 
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Bulldog,
On the other hand, with Pete Shepley in Zambia, he killed lion, leopard, hippo, croc,#1 Puku and others...all with a bow in 21 days. In Zim last year client killed buffalo, leopard and hippo in 14 days..with bow. Other killed buff and leopard in 12 days. Just depends where, when and with who, I guess. Of course execution is important.

Regards,


RON OLIVER
830-336--3345
234 W. Bandera Rd 310
Boerne, TX 78006
www.Africahs@aol.com
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Chifuti Safaris is an excellent option as the have "choice" concessions, excellent PHs and support staff...Professionally managed and have a booking agent based here in the US....Dallas.

Been there, done that....Gonna do it again!

JW
 
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