Kawasaki's Under Wild Skies Africa has this description for a program this weekend.

7/24/2005
Ric's Buffalo — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras as they go after buffalo and plainsgame from the Maswa Game Reserve. Ric Story of the U.S. Sportsmen's alliance goes after his first Cape buffalo and Tony takes a nice impala with his Professional Hunter, Mike Branham.

Ron it wasn't much of a show little on Buffalo hunting other than watching an overweight out of shape wannabe buffalo hunter huff and puff after a 12 yd miss and a 100 yd trot.

Cats

I was just excited to see that someone was going to be hunting buffalo. I had no idea as to the content of the show.

How could you have seen a show that has not yet been on?

Here is there schedule for the year. Are these reruns of shows done previously?

TV schedule



7/03/2005
The 8 Bore Speaks Again — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras as they kick off a five-week safari in Tanzania and Botswana. Makris goes after a Cape buffalo with an old 8 bore rifle that is more than 100 years old. A look at the challenges the old timers faced with the weapons of the day and the Cape buffalo, most feared big game animal on the continent.



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7/10/2005
Meat For The Table — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras for a Thompson's gazelle hunt from the Maswa Game Reserve in Tanzania. Ric Story from the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance joins the Safari as our cameras search out the diminutive Thompson's gazelle-renown as table fare, and a look at the luxuries of camp life with Tanzania Game Tracker Safari's-one of the finest outfitters on the continent.



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7/17/2005
Buffalo Interrupted — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras as they hunt for buffalo-until the stalk takes a twist. A rare daytime sighting of a wounded leopard leads to an unexpected hunt, and Makris is forced to take a tough shot to get the old tom. This is a unique event even for those who have spent their lives in the bush, and the native celebration makes it clear just how special the day is.



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7/24/2005
Ric's Buffalo — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras as they go after buffalo and plainsgame from the Maswa Game Reserve. Ric Story of the U.S. Sportsmen's alliance goes after his first Cape buffalo and Tony takes a nice impala with his Professional Hunter, Mike Branham.



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8/07/2005
The Buffalo Paradox — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras as they go after a Cape buffalo with Professional Hunter, Tony Moore in Tanzania's Ugalla Game Reserve. Makris shoots the buffalo with a double gun that is more than 100 years old, but his shot is not enough to bring down this tough beasts and the crew finds themselves on a ten hour stalk through thick cover. The dangers of buffalo hunting revealed...Under Wild Skies.



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8/14/2005
Ugalla Plainsgame — Join Tony Makris and the Under Wild Skies cameras for plains game hunting from the Ugalla Game Reserve in Tanzania. Tony meets a local group of fishermen who pass along information on where the animals can be found, and he is able to trade some meat for some fish-a welcome change after weeks on the hunt. The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, Ric Story goes after plains game as well with his Professional Hunter, Douglas McNeil.

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How could you have seen a show that has not yet been on?

Mine recorded at 5:30 (central) this morning and I am watching it now. I think it runs again tomorrow at 9:30 central.

Ron, I thnk these shows were on before, I've seen them at least once. The shows I saw were on Sunday mornings (9 EST) last year or earlier this year. If you search this forum, there was a discussion relative to Tony shooting the buff with a paradox gun that was also used on birds. I think that is why cats has said he'd seen them.

Brad

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Originally posted by cats:
Ron it wasn't much of a show little on Buffalo hunting other than watching an overweight out of shape wannabe buffalo hunter huff and puff after a 12 yd miss and a 100 yd trot.

I saw the show and it was weak as a buffalo only show. However with your trite editorialization should I call you mr. perfect when addressing you in the future.

I haven't seen the show, but if the guy missed at 12 yards, come on. It shouldn't even have been broadcast.

odie: just calling them like I see them! The client took a snap shot at 12yds rather than wait for the buff to take a few more steps.
The show aired this morning 7/23 at 6:30 or 7 on my cable network here in Pa (RCN)
if you would rather reading a page long report on this show I'll be happy to print one up for you Odie, but guy misses 12 yd shot....huffs and puffs for 100 yds after a hit on it later....pretty much sums it up. IMHO ESPN should have edited that panting out makes all hunters look like overweight tubbies with a funky hat! (that more to your liking Odie????)

what part of I SAW THE SHOW didn't you understand.

You called the guy a wannabe, I would suggest you are one also. You can deride the man all you want but we have all been in those situations. I repeat, are you perfect or perhaps in a perverted way jealous.

Regardless, I'm done with you mr. perfect.

Tony hunted last year with TGT (Tanzania Gametracker Safaris) for much of this year's season of television. He returns to Tanzania next month and begins hunting at Moyowosi (where I just left 2 days ago) to hunt with them again on August 9th. The PH there said that he will have some very attractive woman with him this year though he didn't know who she was going to be.
For what it's worth, ESPN has tried to get their hunts discounted in exchange for television exposure for TGT, but TGT has refused. That's why you will not see them mentioned as the safari company.

The show is beginning right now 7:30 PDT. Make your own judgements.

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Originally posted by Spring:
Tony hunted last year with TGT (Tanzania Gametracker Safaris) for much of this year's season of television. He returns to Tanzania next month and begins hunting at Moyowosi (where I just left 2 days ago) to hunt with them again on August 9th. The PH there said that he will have some very attractive woman with him this year though he didn't know who she was going to be.
For what it's worth, ESPN has tried to get their hunts discounted in exchange for television exposure for TGT, but TGT has refused. That's why you will not see them mentioned as the safari company.

I have a friend that owns a hunting operation; he is constantly bombarded by TV shows not only looking for a free hunt, but they want him to pay.

Spring:

TGT may be the best thing since sliced bread in your opinion, but they are way overpriced in mine. Never hunted with them, and never will. Not when you pay more than double other operators.

I have heard their success on lions is not the greatest either.

Odie I never hunted buffalo never claimed to. But I'm pretty damm sure I can run more than 100 yds and not tell the PH he must wait up for me. and I never EVER take snap shots at any range, I respect the animals more than that. If that means not getting a game animal so be it but snap shots unless usuing a scattergun lead to more cripples than under sized calibers.
You know Odie, I may be perfect come to think of it

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Spring:
Not when you pay more than double other operators.

I have heard their success on lions is not the greatest either.

AZ,
Tgt's prices are on par with the other top TZ outfitters and others around africa. They are probably also twice as good as most outfitters in TZ in terms of service standards and equipment. I doubt any other outfitter in TZ spends as much as TGT on the management of their blocks.

How do oyu measure "success" rat eon lion hunting?

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I haven't seen the show, but if the guy missed at 12 yards, come on. It shouldn't even have been broadcast.

A guy who misses at 12 yards deserves public scorn.

Bwanamich:

You have been helpful to me in the past, and I appreciate it, but I would guess you work for TGT. I stopped reading the TgT flyer when I saw a ten day buff hunt go for over 20K. that is just ridiculous. A safari with a daily rate of 1000 bucks buys some pretty nice digs. I can't imagine what over 2k/day buys, but I would rather go on two hunts for the price of one any day. At some point, I just feel taken advantage of.

Let's put it this way: I never found anything lacking on my last "econo" safari...

AZ,
I have the same flyer/brochure. That $20K includes everythng other than charter and trophy fees. Your $1,000 you mention is just daily rate But you are right, you can buy two buffalo hunts for 20K nowadays and not be dissapointed.

You can also buy jeans for $10 that will wear as comfortably as those that cost $100 Are they the same product though?

Your suggestion is that TGT charges double the price for the same product which is not necessarily true.

Happy hunting

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
That $20K includes everythng other than charter and trophy fees. Your $1,000 you mention is just daily rate

Bwanamich & anyone else,

Either I missed something or you did, $20,000.00 for 10 days works out to $2,000.00 a day. Charters and trophy fees will put the hunt at around $25,000.00.

I don't care what they do for you camping, but they must have some big, private, buff! So big that they would want to keep them fenced in?

What area do they hunt?
Is the PH such a special person that his time is that valuable?
Do they get this area each year?
Are the buffalo that special to rate the bucks?
Are they easier to get for those super rich who can't meet the physical demands?
Is camp one of those million dollar RV's?
Is there a casino, floor shows, flown in special guest's?

I'm sorry, but I can't understand this.

Thanks

Minkman

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Originally posted by Minkman:

Either I missed something or you did, $20,000.00 for 10 days works out to $2,000.00 a day. Charters and trophy fees will put the hunt at around $25,000.00.

The term "Daily rate" generally refers to "outfitting costs" only - no Gov fee or other costs. That is what I assume AZ was referring to when he mentioned other hunts go for "$1000 daily rate" I was pointing out the difference.

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I don't care what they do for you camping, but they must have some big, private, buff! So big that they would want to keep them fenced in?

They certainly pay more attention to trophy standards than most others which in turn usually translates into better trophy quality all around in the long run.

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What area do they hunt?

They have over 12 concessions all over Tanzania.

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Is the PH such a special person that his time is that valuable?

Most of them have an outstanding reputation and have been with the company long enough to know what they are doing. Personally, I wouldn't say they are the best in the business. There are so many great ph's hunting Africa.

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Do they get this area each year?

Other than a few new acquisitions, they have had their areas since the mid 80's.

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Are the buffalo that special to rate the bucks?

there is more to it than great buffalos. Its the package which demands the price; camps, vehiles, staf, service, etc

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Are they easier to get for those super rich who can't meet the physical demands?

I doubt it. Their ph's don't bend the rules. You either hunt their way (Fair chase) or you don't.

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Is camp one of those million dollar RV's?

Their camps are first class if that is what you mean

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Is there a casino, floor shows, flown in special guest's?

I read a quote in one of their literature something in the lines of..."One of the things Sir W. Churchill requested as esential on his safari was a grand piano. Nowadays , unless requested,the camps don't include a piano...." That's their style. They go the extra mile to satisfy your requests.

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I'm sorry, but I can't understand this.

It is rather difficult. I have never been in one of their camps as a client but I have helped them with camp building and other issues and all I can say is "wow"!

Ok boys, help me understand this "price battle." Just to put it in perspective, is $800(US)/day for 14 days plus a 2k trophy fee an excessive price to hunt buffalo? The only other fee is a 2% gov't levy on the daily, plus around 200 bucks for dipping/packing. jorge

Cats, how can you be sure how you would act in a situtation in which you have never been. 12 yds from a Buffalo for the first time in your life, and the man said he was ovefr weight and out of shape. He also said he was a shot gunner and reacted like a bird hunter on the shot and it was his fault. What the H*ll more do your want. Most people complain about the canned apperance of alot of the TV hunts and when they show it like it is you complain. Of course opinions are like *ssholes every one has one.

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Originally posted by jorge:
Ok boys, help me understand this "price battle." Just to put it in perspective, is $800(US)/day for 14 days plus a 2k trophy fee an excessive price to hunt buffalo? The only other fee is a 2% gov't levy on the daily, plus around 200 bucks for dipping/packing. jorge

jorge, is this in Tanzania?
The reason I ask is because you mention 2% govt levy! there is no such thing in Tz. The Gov fees consist of three things; hunting permit, conservation fee and trophy handling. On a 14 day hunt, these add up to $2,300.

To answer your original question, no! $800 a day seems to be a common "daily rate" figure for buffalo hunts in Tz. More importantly is the operator you hunt with!

The thing most people don't realise when it comes to a "buffalo hunt" is that these are normally "special packages". Most of these are designed to use up left over quota and hence are offered at very competitive prices. Are they in any way "lesser: hunts? No. At least they shouldn't be.

You see if I was an operator and I new I had a buffalo quota of 40, and i was compelled to utilise all of them to avoid paying Gov utilisation top-up fees, and to maimise profits I would do my best to sell these. If the competiton was selling at $800 p.d. then i would offer similar prices. The difference betwen TGT and most others is that if TGT do not sell their entire quota of 40 buffalo, it doesn't matter. They are not there to maximise profit by maximising utilisation. I think this can only be a good thing but not a situation everyone can enjoy

It's like, do you sell 40 buffalo at $10K each or 20 at $20K each.

Happy hunting!

Bwanamich: sorry, it's in Zimbabwe. I priced hunts in Tanzania and they tended to be much higher than in Zimbawe, plus the myriad fees for everything really turned me off towards hutning there. I'm a Zimbabwe kind of guy all the way! jorge