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I was just contacted by a reporter from National Geographic after she saw one of my posts on the big bull elephant . They are watching. | ||
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LOL! Good, then they can know I don't give a fuck what they think. | |||
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National Geographic used to be such a wonderful magazine.......... Now it's nothing but a political group of greenie know nothings...... | |||
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What a fantastic opportunity. | |||
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No surprise. Mike | |||
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Nat Geo magazine is now or soon will be owned by fox as a for profit something or other. Dulcinea What counts is what you learn after you know it all!!! | |||
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Last night Bill ORily and Dennis Miller both made not so friendly gestures to the hunting community about Cecil. Pinheads! I don't have a photographic memory something to the effect of "I don't get it, or I don't know why, or I don't like it". When talking about hunting, and specifically safari hunting. | |||
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absolute proof that responsible journalism is dead.....they print their prejudices and ignore the facts.....assholes all! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I,m sure neither one has been exposed to hunting or hunters and have no idea what role hunters play in conservation. I'm not articulate enough to make our case to them, perhaps someone here is. A polite response with relevant facts perhaps from someone at SCI would do more good than slinging mud at them here. | |||
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Wait. A reporter from Nat Geo calls an elephant hunter who posts on AR. I can imagine you saying that had Nat Geo NOT talked to a hunter sympathetic to elephant hunting, but they did. Isn't this what we've wanted? OUR side told by one of "us?" | |||
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Up to you Larry if you want to run with the ball? | |||
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I did speak with her. I gave her our side. I flatly refused to opine on whether the hunt was properly conducted as I was not there. She is going to quote some of the posts from AR. | |||
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This is where it is all leading to: "Animals do have rights!" See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...hins-and-whales.html And: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...mals-like-think.html | |||
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The point is that we are not living in an isolated bubble. Our ruminations are out threr for the whole world to see. It may be time or past time for AR to be pasx word protected. Tou out there Saeed? Jeff | |||
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I canceled my subscription to the magazine years ago when just about every article in one issue blamed all problems on...care to guess?...Bush. | |||
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 Exactly!!!! | |||
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She also contacted me and I spoke to her, she was not too interested in my opinion about the hunt as I have no experience hunting elephants, I did told her I really hoped the story she is writing to be impartial and show both sides of things, she told me it would be that way..... I can only hope she was telling the truth Really surprised that a reported from Nat Geo was here in AR however, just to show we now need to watch what we post  | |||
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Need to fix this site so only members can read the posts. | |||
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90% or more of the posters on this site use pseudonyms. Someone registers as a member and gets a password, how is that going to limit access? People dummy up email addresses everyday too. Why do we feel like we have something to hide? If we are doing and saying things we feel the need to hide from the public, perhaps we need to rethink what we are doing or saying. Mike | |||
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There is such things called security,safety, discrimination and harassment.That is why some people can`t come out in the open about everything they do.It may not apply to you but not everyone is you. | |||
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**Drop the mic** My thoughts exactly. Which is why I thought a reporter actually contacting Larry (who seems a reasonable guy) was a great opportunity to get a solid message out. Sorry to see others feel differently. | |||
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Then don't post . . . Mike | |||
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I can't help it I am addicted. | |||
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I don't advocate hiding.. But password protection makes it harder for people to search. There will be no results from search engine searches, for example. So for instance if someone publishes about a hunting concession and every newspaper in the world does a google search... AR will not yield any results, they will each have to be a member and do an internal search. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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The general media has long been nothing but a mouth piece for those who have agendas to push. So called journalism has died a long time ago. National Geographic needs to look at all the programs they put on show themselves, so many of them are nothing but silly propaganda for those presenting them. The ONLY person who is involved in nature that I trust is Attenborough! The rest are all full of bullshit they cannot even see what lies they put out themselves! They like it or not, that is their problem. We like hunting. We like nature in all its glory. And the money hunters pay does make a difference to conservation. If those idiots put 1% of their efforts to stop hunting in stopping poaching, we might win. Just look at the silly hoopla that was generated by the "cecil" lion, and the big elephant shot in Zimbabwe. During that period, how many lions and elephants were killed by poachers?? Did we hear even a whisper from those stupid idiots?? If National Geographic is taken over by Fox, then the only way it is going to go is down hill! No media owned by Murdoch knows what the truth is! All that bastard cares about is how much money he can make - and how many politicians he can buys! | |||
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We usually keep things that we value secret or shared among friends or at least like minded people.Hunting to me is such a thing.If some think that everyone should make everything easily accessible to everyone I disagree. | |||
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How do you change peoples minds if you don't honestly discuss things they have no working knowledge of? Which is better, having a site only certain people can access and appear to be some sort of secret society/organization, or having a more open/accessible site where people can actually obtain correct and positive information about the activity. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Mike, I have to disagree. Take the debate about the ethics about shooting or not shooting this particular elephant as an example. We should be able to have healthy and robust debate amongst ourselves without the outside world being involved. Yet when we come in contact with the outside world we present a united front. This is what Larry did with this reporter. We are in deer camp together and discussed over dinner last night. If we cannot debate or discuss issues amongst ourselves without fear of the outside world using our own words against us then the site has out lived its usefulness. People treat each other badly enough on here as it is. Jeff | |||
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One of the engravers forums uses a simple trade question that needs to be answered correctly before you can gain access.Just an idea. If they get the wrong answer they can be made to listen to a hunters conservation message-again just an idea. Such a small thing can filter out a bunch of bullshit,IMO. | |||
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"They" have been watching us on here for years! Nothing new there. I've not heard from her, and I've made it clear I have been there several times, and booked lots of clients there too - with lots of returning info. Instead so far she's contacted someone who's not been there, and someone who's never hunted elephant before? My point is, not that I want to talk to Nat Geo - but are they really trying to get insightful/factual info regarding this area, this hunt, etc? Or, are they just looking for propaganda? SSG has sent me lots of info on the hunt, I cannot confirm of course - but it's likely more info than the general public has seen/heard. I can tell you this - one look at the other thread and those of "us" who have questioned the taking of this bull because he's too big, etc, etc! MAN, TALK ABOUT SHOOTING YOURSELVES RIGHT IN THE FOOT! You can guarantee she'll be using that in her article. What next, buffalo over 45" should be off limits? How about 60" kudu, are we making them national treasures?? Hey man, don't shoot that lion - his mane is way too big!! Maybe we'll just hand over our guns too? Shocking to say the least!!!! | |||
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I totally agree. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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That is the kind of conversation while may be productive amongst a closed audience (or not) does not need to see the light of day. I do find it interesting when someone kills a world record marlin that they are the toast of the town. Now Germany; where it is legal to import sport hunted ivory; is trying to hunt down their own citizen and are threatening to block the import of the ivory? Holy Shit! Wake up Call. This all bad news. Jeff | |||
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There are numerous ways we can fight and get our conservation message across and also fight against those that are against our way of life.The important thing is to take action and do something.I don't think we will win overnight but I think we will win.It is not going to be easy however.I think the best way to start is to congratulate the hunter and his PH.Imagine if every single hunter were to do something what can be accomplished. | |||
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Aaron, I can not agree with you more I was sitting out on this one but cant help my self!! It is shocking to see how we hunters fight among our self's! I no absolutely nothing about that hunt or the Cecil hunt " now I even call him Cecil!!" But if it was legal done according to all the rules of that specific area I could not give A continental F.... how big the ele is!! that is what hunting is all about! I feel sorry for that poor client! wow some of the stuff these greenies come up with is shocking!! The bottom line is it will get worse the bloody liberal media is killing the hunting industry! Funny enough when Robert Mugabe stole all that land and kicked the white people out of the country it was hardly on the news now suddenly the greenies go apeshit!! When did the massive amount of poaching start in Zimbabwe.....? right after the farm invasions!!! they are going after the wrong guys! Robert Gabriel Mugabe is the problem!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Do you honestly believe that the public equates a buffalo or kudu to an elephant or lion? That they equate hunting areas not on the boundary of a National Park to hunting Park boundaries? That they equate hunting non-collared animals with collared animals? Hunters have been taking buffalo, lion, elephant and lots of other game for years without the Cecil-type uproar. If you want to hunt a Park boundary and are prepared to shoot a collared animal or some truly exceptional animal that the public has a particular identity with, like lion or elephant, don't acted shocked when the public gets its dander up. I am sure some have heard the phrase, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered . . . push things too far and you can expect to draw a negative reaction and suffer some adverse consequences. Mike | |||
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These hunting areas surrounding parks were set up as a conservation model to preserve wild lands and reduce human / wildlife conflict. A well established precedent that's been in place for many years. It's only now that a few exceptional specimens have been taken that it comes under fire? Is there another side of the coin to be explored such as the conservation model in these areas is working well, evidenced by an increase in the number of exceptional specimens taken over the past few years? From those criticizing hunting these areas, I've still not heard an answer to how they would preserve these lands if hunting is suspended. Are populations in the parks growing or shrinking? If growing, doesn't it follow that more animals, including some exceptional ones, will migrate into these lands? Isn't that we we as conservationist had hoped for all along? Are some here actually advocating the cessation of hunting in these areas, thereby advocating the reduction of wild hunting lands? Make no mistake, the antis do not distinguish between elephant, lion, buffalo, kudu ... not over the long haul. To them, they are are all off limits. They do understand that to achieve that goal, they need to start with the most emotional ploy first, lions, then eles, and they will work their way down the list until they get them all involved ... if we don't counter it. If I'm not mistaken, they have already gotten the airlines to give equal consideration to buffalo as to lion and elephant trophies regarding the recently imposed carriage bans. Actually, I think the real problem is being overlooked, while right in front of us. There is an individual who is responsible for spinning these latest stories to the press with wild claims that cannot be substantiated. He confers "icon" status to individual animals when the locals actually have never heard of them, i.e. "Cecil the Lion". It appears he will now attempt to spin this big ele bull into the same type of scenario. Personally, I'm wondering why a larger effort to expose this individual as the fraud he is hasn't taken place. IMO, that is the root source of this recent rot!! | |||
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Excellent comment Sir. That is the truest and most accurate assessment of the situation as it stands. The Anti's know that the Public can be swayed most by those species that stir the strongest emotions among humans world wide Lions and Elephants among land animals stir the strongest emotions. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Name? Here's a good hint. http://forums.accuratereloadin...911087412#9911087412 | |||
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And then they just sign up for a membership. Takes 5 more minutes out of their day. Won't solve anything. You want to keep your thoughts and opinions private? Keep your (virtual) mouth shut. SCI Life Member DRSS "In those savage countries success frequently depends upon one particular moment; you may lose or win according to your action at that critical instant." Sir Samuel Baker | |||
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