This is a sample of our new 700 NE Walterhog bullet, next to a 458 and a 338 caliber bullets for comparison.

This is 1000 grains, and we are thinking of making them up to 1500 grains.

I will let you know how it all goes.

Cool!

Rich

I cant imagine the pain from shooting that thing.

1000, 1250 and 1500 grains 700 caliber next to a 416 Walterhog bullet.

What was Walter's contribution?

Probably to stand there and tell Saeed he was doing it all wrong!

Walter is in South America, creating havoc over there for a change.

Saeed,

What are you planning on hunting with that beast?

thats so cool. how many trucks(lorries) did you kill during the R/D of that monster

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1000, 1250 and 1500

Saeed,

What velocities are you hoping to get with the respective bullet weights?

Matt V

We had over 2500 fps with a 1000 grain bullet, not sure how fast we can get with these though.

We hope to shoot these in early May.

wow that thing would kill on one end a maim on the other

I'm looking forward to the Video!!! LOL

What kind of gun? Any pics?

i'm curious about how you are going to convince walter to shoot it

Or ANYONE for that matter!

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Or ANYONE for that matter!

That's awesome! Can't wait to see the first victim on film????

Saeed, did you consider calling that cartridge the Burj Walter??

Saeed,
Glad to see you attacking boredom full on!

You might consider RL-17 powder for some heavy bullet loads in your bolt action.

Should not be any ignition problems requiring duplex loading.

This RL-17 idea is a gift from Ed Hubel to the 12GaFH 3.85" crowd.
It has been used with 12 Gauge slugs:

.730-cal.--1432-grain lead cast boolits,
and .729-cal.--1085-grain brass FNs

Lessee,
just for giggles,
.700-cal:
1500 gr SD = .437
1250 gr SD = .364
1000 gr SD = .292

Maybe start in with the RL-17 where you left off with the RL-15 and 1000-grain bullets:

Try 190 grains of RL-17 and work up from there with 1000-grain Walterhogs.
Maybe start at 160 grains RL-17 with the 1250-grainers.
Maybe start at 140-grains RL-17 with the 1500-grainers.

Maybe I better go try that in QuickLoad before I go shooting my mouth off like that ...

are you going to offer dental insurance for anyone who shoot's that monster??because it's going to jar there teeth out

Saeed,

There is something very wrong with all your Walterhog solids for the 700 NE:

They are not Flat Nose Solids.


(The RL-17 loads above are about 75% of powder space fillers, so use filler until you get to about 95% case fill ... if you dare!)

Include both dental and eye insurance in the package on that one!

eye insurance might be had to get. due to prexsiting condition. TOTAL stupidity for wanting to shoot that beast but a big ass muzzle brake on it. Then it could deafen you to
lets see what we have so far
1 nerve damage in should
2 dental recostruction
3 optical nerve damage
4 exploded ear drums
5 brain injury from hitting the floor from recoil
6 sterility rattled your nuts off
7 need for Depends adult diapers for the rest of you live from getting all the shit knocked out of you
8 need for life long mental care your babble incoherinty about ringing in ears. kep telling everyone around you to answer the phone
8

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Originally posted by RIP:
Saeed,

There is something very wrong with all your Walterhog solids for the 700 NE:

They are not Flat Nose Solids.


(The RL-17 loads above are about 75% of powder space fillers, so use filler until you get to about 95% case fill ... if you dare!)

Flat nose solids are on the drawing board.

I will post photos when I make some.

Saeed,
Good! FN solid!
If you don't shoot that 700 NE too often, you might keep your senses and your wits about you.

See if Walter will do some load-development shooting for you, he has little to lose from it.

1000 grains should surely be enough, if coupled with FN (truncated cone) nose, and the "patent pending" Walterhog drive band system,
whether in copper or brass.

Standard CIP twist for the 700 NE is 1:29".
Do you have a faster twist?

RIP,

My 700 bbl is 1:20 or 1:22....

s/b good enough for bullets heavier than 1000 gr?

How heavy could I go???

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Originally posted by trophyhunter5000:
RIP,

My 700 bbl is 1:20 or 1:22....

s/b good enough for bullets heavier than 1000 gr?

How heavy could I go???

According to walter it all depends on how much powder you wish to save.

"The heavier the bullet, the less powder. So fill up the case with one big bullet, and you won't need any powder" Says Walter.

Glad geniuses like him aren't born every day!

R.I.P Walter

Where do the batteries go?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by trophyhunter5000:
RIP,

My 700 bbl is 1:20 or 1:22....

s/b good enough for bullets heavier than 1000 gr?

How heavy could I go???

According to walter it all depends on how much powder you wish to save.

"The heavier the bullet, the less powder. So fill up the case with one big bullet, and you won't need any powder" Says Walter.

Glad geniuses like him aren't born every day!

LOL...

I'd be sure not to let Walter near any of my loading benches!!!

Awesome,

1000 grains @ 2500 fps = 13,888 ft lbs of muzzle energy or about 2x a 460 Weatherby!!! Shouldn't that be mounted to the side of a battleship? And now we know why there is a copper shortage and price run up

That thing is big enough you could get "R.I.P." stamped on the nose of each bullet.

I have always wondered if a big male T-Rex could be brought down with a single bullet. I think Saeed's new cartridge will get the job done. Anybody got Steven Spielberg's cell number handy ???

I have just started making a few of these 1000 grainers.

I will post photos of the heavier ones when I make them.

Damn - they look good Saeed.. I like that FN design. Also that 416 Waltherhog bullet of yours... Wonder if I could buy some of those 416 WH bullets from you and try..

Best regards
Ulrik

Saeed,

Beautiful!
My eyeball tells me that FN copper bullet is very nearly 1.500" long and has a .500" FN meplat diameter ... 71.4%?
1000 grains.
The "niche" market for .700 NE solid bullets is now fully served with your pattern.

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Originally posted by trophyhunter5000:
RIP,
My 700 bbl is 1:20 or 1:22....
s/b good enough for bullets heavier than 1000 gr?
How heavy could I go???

trophyhunter5000:
Do you want to do 1000-yard target shooting with a VLD .700-cal bullet or just up-close bashing and penetrating of elephant and buffalo?

I will assume the latter:

WinGyro SF for 1000-grain copper bullet (approximation/generic bullet 1.467" length) at 2000 fps:
1:29" twist = 5.50 SF
1:22" twist = 9.56 SF
1:20" twist = 11.57 SF
Suggested twist for SF 1.5 at 2000 fps: 1:55.6" or 1:55" for 1000-yard target tractability of bullet.

WinGyro SF for 1500-grain copper bullet (2.139" length, stubby, not VLD) at 2000 fps:
1:29" twist = 2.16 SF
1:22" twist = 3.75 SF
1:20" twist = 4.53 SF
Suggested twist for SF 1.5 at 2000 fps: 1:34.8", or 1:34" for 1000-yard work.

Longer bullets than the stubbies above would give lesser SF,
but I bet a 1:20" .700-cal barrel would do anything asked of it.
So would a 1:29".

However, my personal preference for FN monometal solids, within 100 yards range,
is an SF greater than 5.0,
and it gets really good when the SF is greater than 10.0, IMHO.

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close bashing and penetrating

That's my bag man...

Of course I haven't even shot my 700 yet but when I get it I'd eventually like to try bullets heavier than 1000 grains...

With the talk of 700's lacking penetration I think that Saeed's 1250s at 2000 fps+++ would really help...

Does velocity increase SF???

Thanks RIP...

trophyhunter5000:
This WinGyro SF calculator indicates only a small increase in SF with velocity increase, as long as you stay supersonic.

1000-gr bullet in a 1:29" twist:
1500 fps SF = 5.34
2000 fps SF = 5.50
2500 fps SF = 5.60

Subsonic from 500 fps to 1100 fps SF actually decreases with increasing velocity for the same 1000-grain bullet in 1:29" twist:
500 fps SF = 3.50 (Mach 0.45)
1100 fps SF = 2.99 (Mach 0.99)
then becoming supersonic
1200 fps SF = 5.29 (Mach 1.08)

1500-grain bullet in 1:29" twist has these SF values which increase slightly with increasing velocity in the subsonic range, and then jump up considerably when Mach 1.0 is exceeded:
500 fps SF = 1.47 (Mach 0.45)
1100 fps SF = 1.53 (Mach 0.99)
1200 fps SF = 2.24 (Mach 1.08)
1300 fps SF = 2.18 (Mach 1.16)
1400 fps SF = 2.16 (Mach 1.25)
1500 fps SF = 2.15 (Mach 1.34)
2000 fps SF = 2.16 (Mach 1.79)

This is a bit screwy for the difference between 1000 and 1500 grains.
If Saeed posts a weight AND length for his beauties, I will run those through the SF calculator.

I still think the 1000-grainer at 2400-2500 fps
will be the better performer.
That weight will still work in the double rifles, already regulated for 1000-grainers at 2000 fps.