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If you could have one rifle to hunt the entire world with, small to dangerous animals, close to far away, what would that rifle be chambered for? I was looking at the .458 Lott and although it is pretty much a dangerous game round it also appears to be pretty versatile with some of the lighter bullets in the 350 to 400 grain range. Am I kidding myself? Maybe recoil is a factor that I'm not taking into consideration but if you were insensitive to recoil it might be a good rifle. What do you all think? Thanks, jfm. | ||
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The 375 H&H has held that title since 1912 and I don't see any pretender taking over that place yet. 465H&H | |||
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Another vote for the 375 H&H. Aside from "getting it done" ammo availability is great and that is another essential component of a good "World Wide" rifle. Other 375s like the 375, 378 Weatherby and RUM are more versatile, but ammo availability is tough. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I know I've posted this a lot recently, but it's appropriate for this subject. Win Model 70, 375 H&H, 1.75-6 Leupold, D'Arcy Echols "Legend" stock from McMillan. A little lighter barrel profile might be nice; I'm considering fluting this barrel. And, a higher magnification scope could be in order. Otherwise, what big game can't you hunt with this rig? Note: D'Arcy also has said a Montana action should fit this stock. I wonder if that is the action he'll start to use now that Winchester has dropped the Model 70.  If you are going to carry a big stick, you've got to whack someone with it at least every once in while. | |||
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I too would throw my vote behind the venerable .375 H&H with the caveat that if my hunting included more of the "heavies", the various .416's would not be out of line. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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jfm, welcome aboard. Got to go with the 375 H&H as well. Type depends on what you want to spend.I have a parkerised(sp) Whitworth with a syn stock. Love that gun. Also have a Ruger RSM 458 Lott and it is a fine rifle but if I could only have one it is the 375. JMHO Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Ditto Ditto Ditto to the 375 | |||
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Well, 9,3X64 brenneke or 9,3X70 Magnum. Rudolf Sand bagged 281 different species of game with a 7X61 Super  Cheers /JOHAN | ||
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The 375 in either H&H or Weatherby version can really do it all. MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I've also have an Echols Legend, but in .300 Win Mag. How much DG are you going to chase? Why not get a .300 Win Mag and a 416 Rem Mag, for instance? Sports Afield Interview with James Mellon II "SA: What guns did you use for big-game hunting? "JM: I shot almost everything in the world with the .300 Winchester. In terms of larger calibers, I shot my first lion with a .358, a lever-action Model 88 Winchester. I shot my first rhino with a double-barrel .470. All the other big animals that I got were with the .458 Winchester." ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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.375 H&H ...no question. | |||
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When you consider that there are now good bullets in 350 and 380 grain weights for the .375 H&H, it just gets better. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Damn New Yorkers can't count.  He said one hunting rifle not two.....Back on subject I would go with the .375 H&H Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with the majority. I'll take my .416 Rem. Mag., and plenty of 350 and 400 grain bullets, just because I'd rather have too much gun than too little. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Everyone has an opinion and that is just what it is, an opinion. I'll take the .375 H & H and never look back. It;s done it and will continue to do it. | |||
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SInce you would probably be hunting other than DG most often, the .375h&h or a .375wby is the obvious choice. Oh, I like my .404jeffery & the various .416s but good bullets for game beyond 300yds are few for the 40 & up bores. The managable weight of a .40 can also be a problem for say the high country elk hunter. Trajectory w/ the 260grNAB @ 2800fps you have a flat enough traj. to connect out to 400yds or so. With a 300gr bullet @ 2500fps you can effectively take the largest DG. I would want more gun for DG & a bit flatter shooter for longer range game but the .375h&h can & does do it all in a rifle managable enough to hunt rough country. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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The 375 HH fills that bill perfectly, probably been more cape buffalo taken with 375 then anything else. | |||
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The .358 STA is the better all around chambering, and I realize that in some countrys it is not legal according to the law, but I would bet you could shoot it at Buffalo if you so desired. From 185 grain bullet to 310 grain bullets the field is unlimited with the lighter bullets shooting very flat indeed. A 270 grain bullet doing 2800 to 3000 fps, pick your poison. Don't tell me you can find the .375 H&H cartridges anywhere, I know that but we are not talking about the availability we are talking about the best round. I hunted with the STA in Africa and had no problem and would again. If you have never shot the STA, come to my range and I will introduce you to an excellent round.   Good shooting.phurley | |||
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No votes for the .458 Lott? I guess I was kidding myself. Interesting replies though. Please keep them coming and good hunting to all of you. jfm. | |||
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One reason I would take the 375 H&H is ammo is to be had almost in every good shop and most countries. As already posted the 416 Rem and the 416 Rigby get high grades and with damn good reason. If I knew ammo was not a problem then it would be the Lott without a look back. Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Keep in mind that I am trying to be polite . . . HOWEVER . . . those who feel a need for something larger than a .375 are letting their daydreams get ahead of their hunting. The question was for one rifle to hunt worldwide, not just endless DG hunts in Africa. I am thoroughly unimpressed with any need for something larger than the .375 outside of Africa, Even taking into account buffalo, elephant and rhino the over .375's aren't all that versatile in Africa, either. Use a .416 on 'roo? On pronghorn? Whitetail? Capybara? Roe? Oh, do come on! Again, Sarge Holland's .375: One Planet, One Rifle . . . for one hundred years! | |||
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If you were to shoot one or two of each legally huntable species on earth, it seems the vast majority of your game would be under 1000lbs ? Except for the African pachyderms, Eland, buff, giraffe the other bovinae or 'wild oxen' (bison, water buff, Gaur etc) and moose, most game is not huge or super dangerous, so it seem a .375 would be a good choice and possibly as large as one would need to go. Something like a .338 or .358 mag might seem excellent too, although very marginal at best for the biggest/dangerous game like elephant, hippo and cape buff. Best only for expert shots, with good anatomical knowledge in good conditions for the big stuff. No reason why a .416 wouldn't work but I can't see the use of being up after Vaal Rhebuck, Alpine Chamois, springbuck or Turkish ibex with a .458 lott as being the best or easiest choice? A difficult choice, as with the Big African and asian game a 9,3 or .375 is the logical and safe minimum. Without those species in the mix, even the 'terribly boring' old .30-06 would no doubt do the job, as would a .300 of sorts, an 8x68 or a .338. I reckon a 9,3 or .375 is the way to go! | |||
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Another vote for the .375. This is one where I voted with my wallet. Last year I sent my .300 out and had it rebarrelled. ****************************** There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular -- but one must ask, "Is it right?" Martin Luther King, Jr. | |||
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The Lott is a stopper & while you could hunt almost anything w/ one, a 10.5# (my minimum) rifle launching 400gr bullets @ 2700fps isn't my idea of a sheep rifle or Chamois rig.  LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Another vote for the .375H&H. | |||
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376 Steyr...more versatile...I'll ship my ammo ahead  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Ditto .375 H&H. No question. | |||
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You cannot argue with the 375. But for me I would take my 9,3x74R Chapuis scoped double rifle. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Tony, yes I can damn it...we can all argue about anything... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Ya brought me back to the question. African forum and all. He did say world so I have to back off my 2nd post and agree. 375H&H. Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Even if the world was my playground, I'd still spend MOST of my time playing in the dangerous game fields of Africa. So, I'll stick with my .416. With 350 grain bullets, anything within 300 yards is in the bag. And with 400 grainers, nothing would be safe, even at bad breath range. Anything farther than 300 yards would just need a little more walking, climbing, crawling, etc. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Since 1994 Ive shot everything from elephant to coyote with my .375 H&H as of yet no cripples. | |||
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I'm no expert on big game rifles, but the answer seems obvious. 375 H&H. "shoot quick but take your time" | |||
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Tony, You are the ONE person on this board who could realistically expect success using a double rifle as a "global" hunting weapon.  Bet it's been a while since a double rifle took Dall Sheep or Argali.  Best, John | |||
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.333 Jeffery Flanged! | |||
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The world wide hunting calibre, why that's the 375 H&H. A man could wonder all over the planet and have a lot of fun with a 375, as Holland intended it to be used. They got it right in 1912 and it's still right today! | |||
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Well I like the 375 but for a little more slamming I would go with the 416Rem...Heavy loads will give alot of crushing power.. Mike | |||
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Another vote for the .375 H&H. I will like get rid of several of my other guns and hang onto these. | |||
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It simply cannot be done with one rifle. Years ago, maybe, when some PH's would let you hunt dangerous game in Africa with a 300 Wby mag and 220 gr. solids, but no more. Would you really take a 375 H&H or 416 out hunting Dall sheep? Or western antelope? Or Kalahari gemsbok where a 300 yd + shot may be necessary? Two rifles is the minimum, probably a 300 mag and a 458 of some variety would fill the bill. | |||
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