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I put this up a few weeks ago. Seems to apply.


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That does not seem to be substantially different than G-2 Steve.
 
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That does not seem to be substantially different than G-2 Steve.


Really isn't other than the dosage. I've tried all the "G" products in racing and these Skratch products work the best for my particular physiology.


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Larry, I have had success with Pedialyte.


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Dehydration plus the great petri dish in the sky, not to mention dust, allergies and lack of sleep during safari has a tendency to get the best of one when returning home. On our trip back from Burkina back in February, I think half of the group were walking wounded and needed medical attention when we arrived home!

I hate to mention age, but my first safari at 35 didn't phase me... 22 trips later, well maybe Fujo is on to something.


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Geez Larry, these guys are over-thinking this and making it more complex than it needs to be. Drink more, ambien, electrolytes, hydration... Nah, I have THE solution!

If you always feel fine flying over (eastward) and feel like crap when flying home(westward) then when it is time to come home, just keep flying 'over'. JNB to ATL via Sydney or Singapore. Voila - problem solved! jumping


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Or a travel agent..


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Or a travel agent..


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Those of us that are not acclimetized loose excessive salt with our sweat when exposed to very hot weather. Low NaCl levels makes it difficult to concentrate urin and worsens any dehydration. The air in a plane is very dry and fluid loss is above normal. On your way home your NaCL levels are low. Ypu are probably lightly dehydrated and the dry air does the rest.
Next time take salt tablets

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About the worst medical advice I have seen. Taking salt drives your potassium level down, upsetting your electrolyte balance. Fluids with electrolytes (which contain Potassium) are the only legitimate way to prevent an imbalance due to dehydration.

Your advice is straight out of the 50's.
 
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I think the next trip , I am going to use more G-2 which I find works very well here in our extremely humid climate. I am going to particularly load up starting the day before the return home. I am to take packages with me on the plane and drink far more on the plane . In addition , I am going to take some potassium tablets.

Hopefully that works.
 
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Those of us that are not acclimetized loose excessive salt with our sweat when exposed to very hot weather. Low NaCl levels makes it
difficult to concentrate urin and worsens any dehydration. The air in a plane is very dry and fluid loss is above normal. On your way home your NaCL levels are low. Ypu are probably lightly dehydrated and the dry air does the rest.
Next time take salt tablets

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About the worst medical advice I have seen. Taking salt drives your potassium level down, upsetting your electrolyte balance. Fluids with electrolytes (which contain Potassium) are the only legitimate way to prevent an imbalance due to dehydration.

Your advice is straight out of the 50's.


I think you are misunderstanding me.

Salt = NaCl = potassium
 
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I think I will bring some salt tablets along with me the next time over.
 
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You poor suffering lot!

Stay home and play golf beer

There will be more buffalo for me to hunt clap

As Walter says, only those with nothing between their ears chase buffalo non stop, all day long in extreme heat, and enjoy it.


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I consumed a bottle of whiskey on a flight and was completely legless on arrival. I put it down to change in altitude.


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While I in general feel more out of it coming back than going, for me it's just the usual jet lag thing.

If you are having serious dehydration on the way back, you may be one of those folks who have more significant cortisol diurnal swings and the adrenal glands being off are causing some change in kidney function for your electrolyte changes. From what you say, I don't think the increased intake of any electrolyte drink will really change how you feel that much. One thing that might help you with this is do a peak and trough cortisol level and find if you do a prolonged period of sunlight deprivation your cortisol levels are really low.

I am just guessing here, but have had a few patients who get wonky if they spend a prolonged time without sunlight, and this is what it ended up being. A little Florinef about half way through might make a difference. Purely a guess, though. You would need some detailed endocrine testing to see if this is the case.

As to the other guy on salt tabs...

NaCl is table salt, sodium chloride. Not commonly supplemented anymore, and anyone with decent renal function in the absence of meds conserves it fine.

KCl is potassium chloride, and is the one that folks tend to have issues with. That is commonly used as salt substitute...but if you take too much it will cause heart arrhythmias, so don't take supplements without someone competent checking in to your kidney function... Most have no issues getting rid of excess, but if you don't have good renal function or are on meds that block it's excretion, it can be very dangerous to take lots of it.
 
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Larry: I'm normally the same way, always "sort-of-sick" for a few days upon my return. Not this trip, though. I, like Saeed and Lake Kariba, drank a bottle of delicious Turgwe River water (didn't know it until after the fact, though) and two days later fell to some sort of intestinal parasite. Had Cipro and started immediately and it helped some and thank goodness for a 20 hour layover in Dubai on the way home. Got home 12 days ago and got two more types of meds and almost over it, I hope. Still pretty weak but would be happy to swap with you. Pretty good diet plan, too. This morning I weighed 14 lbs less than when we left for Zim.


The trackers made dinner for us with boiled water out of the Turgwe, on the first day of our 12 day stay with Mokore Safaris on Sept 13, 2 weeks ago already. I was fine till the last night in camp, last Saturday night, I call it the 24 Zim Cleanse!! Needless to say we had to head for the plane at 5:00 am after up all night calling dinosaurs. I only lost 10 pounds and feel pretty good, just got home last night. Hopefully I don't have some kind of parasite.
 
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While I in general feel more out of it coming back than going, for me it's just the usual jet lag thing.

If you are having serious dehydration on the way back, you may be one of those folks who have more significant cortisol diurnal swings and the adrenal glands being off are causing some change in kidney function for your electrolyte changes. From what you say, I don't think the increased intake of any electrolyte drink will really change how you feel that much. One thing that might help you with this is do a peak and trough cortisol level and find if you do a prolonged period of sunlight deprivation your cortisol levels are really low.

I am just guessing here, but have had a few patients who get wonky if they spend a prolonged time without sunlight, and this is what it ended up being. A little Florinef about half way through might make a difference. Purely a guess, though. You would need some detailed endocrine testing to see if this is the case.

As to the other guy on salt tabs...

NaCl is table salt, sodium chloride. Not commonly supplemented anymore, and anyone with decent renal function in the absence of meds conserves it fine.

KCl is potassium chloride, and is the one that folks tend to have issues with. That is commonly used as salt substitute...but if you take too much it will cause heart arrhythmias, so don't take supplements without someone competent checking in to your kidney function... Most have no issues getting rid of excess, but if you don't have good renal function or are on meds that block it's excretion, it can be very dangerous to take lots of it.



Airline meals are so loaded with sodium, it would be hard to have a salt deficiency while flying.

I generally have an ethanol deficiency so I tend to consume ethanol supplements throughout the flight. Now I know some will say that too much ethanol supplements will cause headaches and in some extreme cases projectile vomik, but I have found that it is impossible to achieve a headache (or worse) if one does not stop taking their ethanol supplements. Plus the flights go faster with all the singing and dancing...


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I'm completely drained by the time I get home and it takes awhile to get back to normal. I know what it isn't. It isn't dehydration, because I'm constantly drinking, it isnt alcohol because I don't drink and it isn't jet lag because I've worked enough shiftwork and obscenely long shifts to recognize the symptoms and have spend decades having my days and nights flipped around. I think its just the end result or running on adrenilin and higher than normal levels of intensity for days and weeks. When its finally over and I can relax a bit my system just crashes. There isn't anything left.
 
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