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Tim, I agree. I call him Lou "The Legend" Hallamore. | |||
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I would throw Ian Gibson's hat in the ring. | |||
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 [QUOTE]Originally posted by zzz: Tim, I agree. I call him Lou "The Legend" Hallamore.[/QUOTE JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Rudy Lubin maybe? Would be interested to know if any current PH's who primarily hunt Central or Western Africa might make this "list". | |||
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What about not suggesting anyone for the first group who is still hunting, or has recently retired? Then how about nobody for the 2nd group who has not hunted professionally for at least 20 years? That'd change the list quite a bit, I think, and make it more pertinent. A few names that I've never hunted with, but who come to mind as potentials would include Danny McCallum, Willy Englebrecht, Lionel Palmer? What about PHs such at Erik Stockenstroom, Hugo Seia or Alain Lefol? | |||
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Now now. Don't you two start taking words out of Bill's mouth  | |||
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I too would like to have Geo. Hoffman included. He was not as well known as many but he had many clients return to hunt again and again and that has to say something about a guy that does a good job. I had the pleasure of him for my first safari and a treat it was. There are lots of great guys that do not get the big time PR they deserve but they know their business and give the client a good run. You can borrow money but you can not borrow time. Go hunting with your family. | |||
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Here are some greats for you guys though I don't know what list they belong to..... Magara Dirapenga, Magocha, Dzingai Makoni. Between them they trained a huge number of Zim's current PH's. Magara alone has hunted over 300 elephant bulls with clients. | |||
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Harry Manners? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Kontella Banda, bet very few here have ever heard about him.... I agree with Mike Robinson and Mark Young in that there are some truly great PH's out there that very few will ever have heard about. This may be interesting but in reality it is nothing more than an AR popularity contest. Well known certainly doesnt = good PH! AR is a great resource but some people mistakenly believe that it is the be all and end all of African hunting. Most of the really serious hunters are too busy hunting to be sitting behind a computer logged into AR | |||
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IMO,I good PH is one who doesn't try to be more than that. | |||
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+1 on Angelo Dacey ! | |||
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I am amazed at how many "legends" I knew, know or met over the years are listed above. It must be still another sign of my advancing age. I don't remember seeing Glen Cottar, Eric Rungen, Ian Henderson, Alfredo Ferreira, Bill Reeves, Tony Archer, Bill Winter, Cotton Gordon, Adelino Serras Pires, Jose Simoes, Franz Wengert, Rene Ruchard, and Col. Negussie Eshete mentioned. They surely earned the right to be called "legends," along with guys such as Norman Deane, Frank Voelker, Chappie Scott and Baasie Maartins who pioneered trophy hunting in South Africa and Namibia. I suggest there also be a third category for "legends whose stars have tarnished." David van der Muelen goes right at the top, of course. Bill Quimby | |||
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+1 All the best Roger VIERANAS Bow & Hunting Adventure Safaris Namibia #TPH00157 Roger@vieranasbowhunt.com www.vieranasbowhunt.com http://www.facebook.com/Vieranas.Safaris.Namibia "The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport" Saxton Pope | |||
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and, I will be hunting leopard with him in less than two weeks! .... but, of course... I'm a legend, too. 
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Can't possibly leave out Baron Werner Von Alveslaben. 465H&H | |||
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One of the best? Ivan Carter!  The more people I get to know, the more I love my dog! | |||
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A few among the forgotten: Gerard Pasanisi, Gerard and his late father, Frank Miller. | |||
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Folks, I have to say that as there are very few guys on here who have hunted with SEVERAL PHs, then it is pointless everyone of us nominating one person or the next.I agree with Saeed that you have to compare Apples with Apples. Some of the best Hunters I know are not PHs but are consumate bushmen with an intimate knowledge of their craft. Some PHs I know hardly know the difference between a Mopane and a masasa. The other way of looking at it is from a professional perspective. Ask PHs to provide a list of who THEY think are the best PHs and who the Legends are. Compare that list to the many names you have posted here and I think the cream will certainly rise to the top. Anyway, heres my 2 cents worth 1/ Clive Stockil(by miles the best Bush Man and PH I have ever met) 2/ Ivan Carter 3/Buzz Charlton 4/ Gordon Duncan 5/ Nigel Theisen 6/ Don Heath 7/ Lou Hallamore 8/Glenn Stockil 9/Myles Maccallum 10/Thiery Labat I would bet that PHs themselves would vote at least 4 of the above as being "Most likely to gain legend status" | |||
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I think that the old Safariland´s stars should not be excluded: Sid Downey and Donald Ker.  | |||
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Old School... Lionel Palmer David Ommaney | |||
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Gerard Miller | |||
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Barry Duckworth | |||
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Now there's a real living legend.... Chaps, I don't think you can lump all the puppies in with the real legends....I mean, going through all the names posted here, there must be more legends than those who are not! Sure, there are a lot of good hunters out there but just because a guy conducts a successful hunt or three doesn't mean he should be accorded legendary status. A lot of my friends are very capable hunters but I certainly don't consider them legends. Not yet anyway. In any case, what makes a legend? What is it based on? His success in field? How many books he has written/movies he has starred in? To what extent he is able to bullshit his clients? Here are some true hunting legends in my book (Zim only), both living and dead: The three fellows I mentioned in my previous post. Barrie Duckworth, Roger Whittall, Lou Hallamore, Sten Cedegren, Ian Nyschens, Paul Grobler, Richard Harland, Adelino Pires, Ian Piercy, Alan Lowe..... Those are real hunting legends. Let's keep it real - I don't think guys who have been PH's for a decade or so can be considered up and coming legends yet. Those who should be accorded legendary status are those who have resisted jumping on the bandwagon of thieves during these troubling times, and who are still trying to manage their hunting concessions properly. Cheers, David | |||
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Here we call him 'Lou the leopard.' | |||
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David I beleive that Kims original post referred in part to "legends in the making". Therefore many of these"young Pups" have the POTENTIAL to be legends. Others have already in my opinion attained that status. I still go with Saeeds original statement that one must compare Apples with Apples. To compare Selous , who shot freely and recorded his own works, with a modern day hunter, bound by modern legislation, qoutas and arm chair critics, is comparing apple with microsoft | |||
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Kim has posted a very interesting question that I think is nearly impossible to answer. In the days that the legends hunted there were only a handful of companies and PH's, and making a name for yourself was a bit easier than it is today. David Hulme has made some good points and as he said, there are those unseen hunters that you and I may not be aware of but could be deserving of legend status. Any guy that's mixed it up with over 300 elephants and is still alive is a very good hunter indeed. Something to keep in mind when dreaming up a list of potential legends, is that it takes more than one person to become a legend in the hunting business. Tracker/s, camp staff and of course his safari clients all contribute to a PH's success and eventual legendary status. | |||
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frosty, Of course you could make a number of lists - true legends, living legends, legends in the making....As far as legends in the making go, let's see how they do for the next 20/30 years. FYI, I think there are many clients who have hunted with more than one PH.... Furthermore, I don't think you can ask PH's who they think are the 'up and coming legends', ridiculous phrase as it is. They too will be biased towards their buddies, the same as clients are towards their own PH's. After all, how many other PH's has any particular PH personally hunted with, besides the guys he trained under and the chap who follows him into the thick stuff after some wounded beastie. No, you can't ask the PH's, ask the freelance hunting writers/cameramen, sure.... David I didn't write 'young pups', I wrote puppies. It wasn't meant to be derogatory to anyone - puppies grow up to be fierce and brave dogs sometimes. Regardless, I can assure you that the majority of the PH's names posted on this thread would be considered puppies (or young pups) by the likes of Barrie Duckworth and Magara Dirapenga. Hell, not they would be, they are! Hey, I respect a lot of these PH's, I have worked with a number of them and been impressed by most everything I've seen, but who can say who is an up and coming legend? How can the level of competence required to make the grade of an 'up and coming legend' be adjudged? One may as well start a thread titled 'Post the names of good PH's......' | |||
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I will narrow then: Historic non-hunting legends: I nominate Alan Lowe Presently hunting Legends: I nominate these 2 1) Paddy Curtis 2) Nigel Theisen I could write a book why for all 3. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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ledvm, Write it sir, that would surely be an exciting read! | |||
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David, For the record...I agree with all your nominations and thoughts as well. I am sticking with these 3 as they are the only ones I personally have knowledge about. Will write some "whys" though when I get some time time to do it real justice. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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David For the record , I agree with all of the names you have posted, in fact I consider many of them Legends already. Barry Duckworth is most certainly a legend. Hss own sons seem set to follow in his footsteps. The very fact that there are so many names to choose from makes it impossible to judge and therefore nominations to such lofty status is very subjective . You and I may not agree on what even constitutes a legend and that was the point of my first post. I say potato , you say tomato ..............or something like that.Say hello to your folks for me, missed them last time I was down | |||
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Hi frosty, I don't know who you are! I think my parents will be a bit confused when I pass on regards from Zimfrosty! Send me a PM or email hulmour@yahoo.com and reveal your identity, if you wish. Yeah, I hear you apples and pumpkins.... | |||
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To his list I'd certaily add Hallamore, Duckworth and Richard Harland • John Sharp • Peter Johnstone • James "Buzz" Charlton • Ivan Carter • Tony Sanchez-Ariño • Andrew Dawson • Mark DeWet • Jeff Rann • Johan Calitz • Steve "Shakari" Robinson • Kevin Robertson • Robin Hurt • Geoff Broom jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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