damn shame, but I would not bet against her...

There will be a free-for-all once Uncle Bob departs. Factions within that ZANU and MDC will go to war most likely. Grace doesn't stand a chance to hang on to power.

I doubt that anything positive is going to happen in Zim for a looooong time to come - with or without Uncle Bob at the helm.

It's like fleeing from lions & jumping into a pit of crocs.
You're dead either way.
So incredibly sad. AWA

Interesting. Zimbabwe might get Mugabe's wife as leader, and the United States might get Bill Clinton's. As Dr. Evil said, "we're not so different..."

From the sublime to the ridiculous, in 34 years.

Sublime to the ridiculous? Just look at the polished gem of a productive food-exporting nation Mugabe has shaped and presided over after inheriting it in a shambles from Ian Smith and his European thugs ...

Right on the money Bill!

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Originally posted by Opus1:
There will be a free-for-all once Uncle Bob departs. Factions within that ZANU and MDC will go to war most likely. Grace doesn't stand a chance to hang on to power.

I doubt that anything positive is going to happen in Zim for a looooong time to come - with or without Uncle Bob at the helm.

I tend to agree with you my friend.

I think the fighting has already started.

I am genuinely concerned with our friends that suffer as a result of the world turning it's back on them. As to the rest of the shits....let them kill each other...they're animals anyway.

Dutch

After reading thirteen books about the fall of Rhodesia and a whole of other articles and other research aside, the conclusion I've come to is Zimbabwe is screwed no matter what but no matter what happens, I wish Mugabe a happy death and soon. He's needed it since roughly 1970 or so.

not much to say about who replaces Bob, I just hope he goes soon....and painfully.

Africa's way. Who control's the army and police control's the kings throne. Democracy my big fat backside.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Sublime to the ridiculous? Just look at the polished gem of a productive food-exporting nation Mugabe has shaped and presided over after inheriting it in a shambles from Ian Smith and his European thugs ...

Splutter!! Cough cough! phuken splutter choke true enough splutter!

You should have a look south of the Limpopo, the big difference being that the cash box was a lot bigger but is about empty now, and it took a bit less in time to do it.

What's that you say? The cash box is empty? How did that happen? I blame apartheid.

Zuma is blaming apartheid 20 odd years later for the "Eskom Problem" we have today!

Oh yeah! It goes on and on. Around the corner from me, a 200 mm water main keeps bursting, my count is 14 times in two years. The municipality in it's "wisdom" [ NB oxymoron] in order to increase the rates base has allowed for the building of so called granny flats or garden cottages. In order to keep up with the increased demand for water the pressure is increased and this through an aging cement pipe. This is occurring all over town. What is that I hear? "Replace the pipes!" Don't be silly, there is no money, millions pinched for Mandela's funeral celebration, leather coat purchased by the mayoress in Istanbul using the municipality's credit card ad infinitum!
In the famous words of that fat bloke with the white beard, "Ho HO phuken ho!"

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Originally posted by lal:
Zuma is blaming apartheid 20 odd years later for the "Eskom Problem" we have today!

Funny that, when the last of the white management approached the govenmunt wallahs, to increase output by building new power stations, it was that intellectual giant, [nother oxymoron] Thabo Mbeki, he who said that the HIV/Aids pandemic was the fault of the white man [told that to Jimmy Cartah himself] "NO, not going to happen, just switch on the plug."

They will never take the fall for anything just look north of South Africa they always blame it on the white guys or as they call it "Europeans" or "imperialist" the facts are there is not A single government in Africa that is working or functioning! I am sure we will here this apartheid they for the next 100 years.

And they are all in bed with the Chinese now so it will only get worse.

A friend of mine a few years back appointed a black Manager for one of his stores. 4 months later guess what happened to the shop?.....FU%$#^%%!!!

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Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
They will never take the fall for anything just look north of South Africa they always blame it on the white guys or as they call it "Europeans" or "imperialist" the facts are there is not A single government in Africa that is working or functioning! I am sure we will here this apartheid they for the next 100 years.

And they are all in bed with the Chinese now so it will only get worse.

I think you have the facts just about right!

Sadly for all of Africa and the rest of u too!

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
What's that you say? The cash box is empty? How did that happen? I blame apartheid.

It was full during apartheid but somehow got emptied later when apartheid was no more - did it not?

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
What's that you say? The cash box is empty? How did that happen? I blame apartheid.

Snippets from the local news:

The United States has lately warned aid-reliant Tanzania that further assistance, under a program that rewards countries for good governance, depended on its success in fighting corruption.

Tanzania won a five-year package of grants in 2008 worth $698 million under the U.S. government's Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) program, but the award of a second round of grants would now depend on the government's anti-graft effort.

An October report of the Budget Support Development Partners (DP) Group said the group of 12 international donors delayed budget support for Tanzania until findings of an investigation into charges of corruption in the energy sector were released and appropriate action taken.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
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The United States has lately warned aid-reliant Tanzania that further assistance, under a program that rewards countries for good governance, depended on its success in fighting corruption.

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US Aid depends on clean good governance and no corruption? Yes. Given the publicly generally known prevalence of corruption in South African Terrorist Government, I bet a kilo gold against a pinch of brown stuff that South Africa does not get a single $ of US Aid.


Oh, sh*&, I forgot - we had Apartheid in South Africa 20 years ago - and that exempts our country from the good governance pre-condition to get US Aid!

I feel so bad for my Southern African friends.....

But Maybe Grace would be the best choice as successor.............she already has what's left of the money that Mad Bob stole so she wouldn't have to start fresh from such an empty larder....



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But Maybe Grace would be the best choice as successor.............she already has what's left of the money that Mad Bob stole so she wouldn't have to start fresh from such an empty larder....

The greedy & corrupt are never satisfied.

Correct.

If she takes control she will loot what's left like a black vampire.

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If she takes control she will loot what's left like a black vampire

Oh come on now, she looks like such a warm caring lady

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Originally posted by Bakes:

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If she takes control she will loot what's left like a black vampire

Oh come on now, she looks like such a warm caring lady

The only way a politician looks warm and caring is when they look at themselves in the mirror!

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Originally posted by Bakes:

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If she takes control she will loot what's left like a black vampire

Oh come on now, she looks like such a warm caring lady

Mnangagwa Likened to Jesus
Posted on December 15, 2014 by ZimSitRep_W — 6 Comments ↓
via allAfrica.com: Zimbabwe: Mnangagwa Likened to Jesus 14 December 2014

Choruses of praise-singing and idolising shifted from President Robert Mugabe and the First Lady to new first VP Emmerson Mnangagwa who yesterday hosted a huge party at his Zvishavane home to celebrate his elevation to the new position.

Dozens of politburo and central committee members and senior military officers attended the party during which officials lined up to sing praises to Mnangagwa who is odds on favourite to succeed President Mugabe.

Masvingo political supremo and Psychomotor minister Josiah Hungwe likened Mnangagwa to Jesus Christ, referring to him as the “Son of Man.”

Asked to introduce Mnangagwa, Hungwe went into overdrive, showering Mnangagwa with colourful adjectives and likening him to “The Holy Son of Man”. He said his rise was planned by God.

“This man who has been made VP has various names that we all know but some of the names you don’t know them… He is known as the Son of Man… I can tell you that I received several texts from Bishop Andrew Wutaunashe (leader of the Family of God church) telling me that the Son of Man will be ordained VP way before these things happen and I just told him that I had heard him because I know he is a Man of God,” Hungwe said.

Several Zanu PF officials have in the past used the Messianic analogy on Mugabe and Mnangagwa was yesterday elevated to the same “divine” realm.

Mnangagwa could have become VP in 2004 but was blocked by Mugabe who preferred Joice Mujuru at that time. A decade later, Mugabe made a summersault and last week dumped Mujuru in favour of his long-time lieutenant.

Hungwe said Mnangagwa was a patient, principled and calculative VP whose meteoric rise to political stardom was ordained by Mugabe and God.

Hungwe said Mnangagwa, affectionately known as Ngwena (crocodile) behaved like a real crocodile which does not hunt for its prey but lays in wait in muddy waters only to strike without fail at the opportune time. He said Mnangagwa was the most resilient person in the country.

“It’s a matter of calculation because a crocodile does not hunt but waits for its time… those who wanted it to strike in 1980 got it all wrong. It only caught at the right time,” he said.

In the run up to the Zanu PF Congress the attention was on the first family as Grace Mugabe addressed nationwide rallies at which she denounced former VP Mujuru, while promoting Mnangagwa’s candidacy as VP. Party officials followed her around the country singing praises to her and the president.

Mnangagwa who arrived accompanied by former Labour and Social Welfare Minister July Moyo, was full of praise for President Mugabe for the appointment.

He said his family and close team had lined up parties to celebrate his appointment.

One of the parties, Mnangagwa said, would be held in Zvimba, Mugabe’s home area to thank him for his love.

Another one will be held at Mnangagwa’s Sheerwood Farm in the Midlands mining town of Kwekwe.

“July Moyo and Mai Mnangagwa have planned these parties. The first one will be in Zvimba where we are going to invite all the newly-appointed politburo members and central committee to thank the President and his family for his love,” Mnangagwa said.

The VP said he had travelled for 52 years in the company of Mugabe, a principled leader who at 90 was still stronger than a 41-year-old because God loves him. He also said that President Mugabe had taught him very important lessons of loyalty in his life. His wife, Auxillia, who is also in the politburo, sweated heavily all afternoon as she jumped barefoot, dancing with other Midlands women thanking God for the appointment of her husband. She went down on her knees, thanking Mugabe and his wife, Grace for the elevation of her husband.

“The Mnangagwa family comes before President Robert Mugabe and Amai Grace to thank him for this appointment, she said.

The celebrations were however not without incident as deputy Mines minister Freddy Moyo, was ejected out of the heavily fenced compound on allegations that he supported Mujuru.

Youths led by Mnangagwa’s confidante, Owen ‘Muda’ Ncube, who manned the gates, screening delegates, fished Moyo out accusing him of belonging to the Majuru cabal accused of plotting to topple Mugabe. He was labelled “Gamatox” while many people thought to be previously aligned to Mujuru were also chased away.

Zanu PF politburo members including Jorum Gumbo, Mike Madiro, Chris Mutsvangwa, Shuvai Mahofa and Chief Fortune Charumbira, among others, including central committee members jostled to shake hands with Mnangagwa.

Prosecutor General Johannes Tomana accompanied by permanent secretary for defence Martin Rushwaya led top government officials and several army generals who also converged at the VP’s mansion to congratulate him.

Which ever way it goes Zim is still stuffed. Wonder what their outlook will be towards foriegn hunters.

While I admit it does not look pretty we have survived under "Bob" and I think its fair to say we provided great hunting with good service and standards to go with it- we will manage under Grace or Mnangagwa or who ever else may be in favour at the "right time"! One thing Zimbos have had to learn to survive in Zim is to be optimistic and be able to make a plan!

As for Bill/Oregan posts- wow we are on a different planet!!!!

As for Bill/Oregan posts- wow we are on a different planet!!!![/QUOTE]

Buzz, he is joking with you

Frank: I thought Bill's posts were obvious, especially the one about Ian Smith! Buzz: Chill out brother, we're all on the same planet and on the same side about this!

This thread makes me think of the Twitter parody account, @zanu_pf it's hilarious.

Damn! I wonder if it is not too late to ask Santa Claus [not the freak from Kirkwood] to send a rubber leg to Zim?? As a Christmas pressie.

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
While I admit it does not look pretty we have survived under "Bob" and I think its fair to say we provided great hunting with good service and standards to go with it- we will manage under Grace or Mnangagwa or who ever else may be in favour at the "right time"! One thing Zimbos have had to learn to survive in Zim is to be optimistic and be able to make a plan!

As for Bill/Oregan posts- wow we are on a different planet!!!!

And whatever happens, I hope you will continue to make "PLAN"

I can't speak for anyone but myself on this.
I for one hate any bad news from Africa that may make the lives of ALL Africans worse than it already is.
I have a great love for Africa & those that I have so far come in contact with both black & white.
I so wish things would get better for ya'll, but I also see things going to hell in a hand basket here in the states as well.
Don't know if or when things will ever get better there or here.
The respect I have for those that endure & continue to "make a plan" is extremely high.
Not sure I'm tough enough to continue under those conditions, but maybe God would give me the strength to face it head on.
I will be praying for better days for my brothers & sisters on a continent so far away, but so close to my heart.
Cecil Leonard

Well said!