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Not really "Big Game", but this seems to be the best section for my question. If you were going to Africa to just hunt members of the "Tiny Ten" what would be your preferred caliber? I don't reload so I'm looking for factory ammo. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | ||
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I took my Dik-Dik and Steinbuk with Federal factory .375 solid. I was hunting for buffalo and took these guys as targets of opportunity. The solid went cleaning through them, and no taxidermy problems. When I'm in lion,elephant and buffalo country, it doesn't matter if I'm after a tiny quarry, I figure I want to be prepared for the others. Regards, D. Nelson | |||
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I'm also starting to gather the Tiny Ten (or Twelve, depending on how much you want to spend). I found out that even with a 416, a soft will do too much damage, even on the Steenbok I took last week in Namibia. I took Suni and Blue Duiker last year in Mozambique with a 12ga and bird shot but it's more convenient to keep a few solids for whatever rifle you're using, as many of these tiny antelope are targets of opportunity; taken when hunting some other game. | |||
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I have zero experience in this, but why not a .22/.24 cal witha barnes solid. Providing you have extra room in your gun case, and/or that is what you are hunting. Mad Dog | |||
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Very interesting animals. I have always been captivated by the smaller deer & antelope. When I was a Tea Planter in India in the early 80's I shot a few Muntjak with No2 12 bore. I even took one on the run. I got one big buck with 4.5" antlers which is a good trophy. In the late 60's we had a few 4 horned antelope as pets. These are very dainty animals about the size of a Duiker I suppose & are unique in that the buck have 2 longer horns of 4" to 6" & another 2 in front that could be 1" or a bit more. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I used a M-92 Winchester in .25-20 on this duiker.....Hornady 60 Gr fp....very little damage and DRT!  To do it again, I'd not hesitate to use a .22 Hornet or even a .22 WMR....check to confirm the rimfire is legal where you're going. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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When afield with my 30-06, I keep a clip of 150 gr. FMJ rounds in my pocket for the little guys and jackals. A soft point will splatter them. Damnest thing, my 165 gr. BTSP's with a 200 yard zero is dead on at 100 with the FMJ's. The first "African" hunter I ever spoke with all those years ago in of all places a caribou camp said every animal he took in Africa, and he had quite a collection, was with a 375. I remember specifically asking him about the small stuff and he said a solid works every time. | |||
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I've been able to rent/borrow a 22 Hornet on a couple of occasions and it seems perfect for the undewr 25 lb antelope. If your primarily hunting DG a solid is the way to go. Shot a red duiker this last season with a 300 gr Barnes Banded solid at about 2,700 FPS. Dime size hole in an dime size hole out. DRT. Perfect! The really small guys like suni and blue duiker are probably best taken with #4 shot. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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416 with solids works good | |||
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I'd submit that the conditions will have a lot to say about what cartridge to use. To my mind, species like Vaal Rhebok and Klipspringer will most likely require something with some reach. Conversely, Dik-Dik, Grysbok, Suni, and the Duikers can be taken with shotguns, depending on the time of year. In addition to Namibia, aren't there some other countries where solids are not allowed to be used on PG? | |||
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Almost all of mine have been taken with a .375 H&H using Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer solids. | |||
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Never went in search of the "tiny ten", they were pretty much targets of opportunity. Usually have my 375, some solids in my pocket, when one of the "tiny ten" show up I just slide in a solid so I don't blow a big hole in them. | |||
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On my first trip to Zululand, we had the potential to shoot a red duiker. The only gun I had was my 300 WM with 180 grain Partitions. PH said to shoot them behind the last rib and it would minimize the damage to the skin. If I get a chance at one of the small guys in August, I'll be using a 7mm-08 with 140 grain Partitions. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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I used a 7mm-08 loaded with 140gr. Nosler AccuBonds to take this record-book quality steenbok ram. Hit him straight into the chest, but his slightly quartering body angle let the bullet exit nicely about halfway back. Exit wound was barely over caliber. I think it was a good choice because it was light enough to not obliterate the tiny critter (nor my shoulder) but heavy enough to also take everything on my list up to kudu and gemsbok. That matters when you're limited on the number of guns you're allowed to bring.  | |||
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My choice is the .223 w/60 gr Nosler partitions. However, many of the .22 calibers are fine. Mark mentioned the .22 Hornet and it is very popular with many PHs. It was the rifle they grew up with. If you have no choice, the solids will work but unless your just killing to add a species to the awards list, try to go light and fast enough to ensure a quick, efficient kill but not blow the hell out of the creature if you want a quality mount. LDK Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I can say with a high degree of certainty that a .338 winchester with 225 grain TB Bearclaws is not a good choice for Klipsringer! Man, did it ever make a HUGE exit hole.  Had real luck with .270 and 150 gr. nosler partitions on sharpe's grysbok and common duiker, also a klipspringer. I think a slower .22-.25 centerfire would be great for them. When using a shotgun, I wonder how some of HeviShot's 'dead coyote' loads would work? They'd kill those antelope very efficiently, but I wonder if they'd do too much damage. | |||
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My concern with a load like that becomes blowing off a horn. Depending on the range and pattern of that particular gun, you could be talking a decent chance for a stray shot to annihilate a prized part of your trophy. | |||
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I've shot oribi, steenbok, bush duiker, Sharpe's grysbok, and klipspringer with my 7 mm Remngton Magnum and 175-grain Nosler Partitions while hunting other game. Only the steenbok's skin was impossible for the taxidermist to repair, and it was the farthest from the gun when I shot it -- about 75-80 yards. The others were 20 to 50 yards away. Bill Quimby | |||
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Lets see, Dik-Dik, Blue Duiker, Red Duiker - 16 GA Buck. Common Duiker, Klipspringer, Orbi, Cape Grysbok - 338 WM Solid. Sharpes Grysbok - 416 Taylor Solids. Steenbok 308 this was borrowed gun and made a mess for the taxidermist. Will be using 12 GA (borrowning from PH) this fall for Suni. If you have a drilling that is #1 in my book, have a solid in the rifle tube and buck in the gun tubes. | |||
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22 Hornet works great. I have take duiker, steenbok, impala and is great fun for night cats and bird shooting. My daughter loves this caliber. She has taken 2 javalina with it. | |||
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MY EXPERIENCED WITH THE SMALL ANIMALS IF HUNTED FOR AS LISTED SPECIES FOR YOUR HUNT A 22 HORNET IS A WINNER,GET THE OUTFITTER TO ARRANGE IT FOR YOU BUT IF YOU ARE WALKING IN THE FLAT COUNTRY LOOKING FOR WHATEVER SPECIE AND ONE OF THE LITTLE GUYS POPS UP TAKE IT WITH A SOLID,GENERALLY WORKS WELL WITH A LAST RIB OR GUT SHOT, THE SHOCK OF THE BULLET IMPACT SHOULD KNOCK IT OUT ANYWAY. GOOD LUCK | |||
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I just dedicated my new Tiny Ten rifle. It's a WJ Jeffery magazine rifle built around 1910 on a Steyr action, and chambered for the 6.5x53 Dutch Mannlicher round. With 160gr solid bullets it should make a great little Antelope rifle. I've been wondering what to do with it! | |||
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The .243 Win. Mag. is quite a versatile little cal. with 100 gr producing almost 2000 ft/lbs at the muzzle. Have witnessed some astonishingly pleasing results on the larger antelopes, including wildebeest at ranges up to 250 yds. A very impressive round IMO and worth keeping in consideration. | |||
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I've hunted and taken some of the small stuff with 12GA shotguns, .308 WIN, .300WSM (made a mess..luckily it was a shoulder mount anyhow), and .257WBY. I'll be after Klipspringer in Zim in Oct. I'll have my .375 with some Sledgehammer solids.. My buddy is taking his .223 and we are taking plenty of FMJs for this little gun. Either gun will be used when we see the right Klippie. | |||
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My son has made the Tiny Ten or Small Five a goal. he has started with a Steinbok and his .243 and sees no reason to change. Flat shooting with plent of Oooomph to finish the job. IMHO a fast twist .223 would also do the job. | |||
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just my opinion only and not a judgement on anyone but I find intentionally gut shooting an animal for lack of a better word offensive. | |||
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That why I like the solids. Small hole going in and small hole going out. And usually, bang, flop, dead right there.  | |||
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I have killed a klipspringer with a 458wm solid and a grysbok with a 375H&H solid. They worked well and didn't do much damamge, small hole in, small hole out. If I were going to target the tiny ten, my selection would be a 30-06 with RN solids for some reach and a 12ga with No 4 buck for larger members of the tiny ten close up, No 2 shot for smaller members close up. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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If you are taking a rifle just for this purpose...take a .22 Hornet! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Will be off at the end of July to Namibia for Damara dik dik and steenbok and klipspringer and to South Africa for red duiker. Bailey Bradshaw's new double in .22 k-Hornet and extra set of .410 barrels should be done and will be along for the Tiny Ten and for some sand grouse/doves. Plan to have a load using the Nosler 60gr partition worked up and have the barrels with appropriate twist for that weight of bullet. Have shot a grey duiker with a double in .375 H&H magnum. Used a solid. Shot well enough for dead right there, with the left barrel through the left eye (Bloody Lucky is the concensus!). Regards | |||
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I was thinking about 22-250 (good excuse for another rifle), but am now leaning toward my .243 or 7mm-08. The 7mm-08 has almost replaced my 30-06 as my deer / hog round and the .243 is so gentle on my aging shoulder. Thanks for all the suggestions. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I just can't see then need for a hot flat shooting round for these guys except for maybe the Klippy. Anyone that has hunted these guys know the range will be close. | |||
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How about for Vaal Rhebok? Or, perhaps I'm mistaken and the Vaalies are not considered one of the Tiny Ten. | |||
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I would not use my 06 on small critters again if I have a choice. it was a little to big for oribi and dik dik. I don't like that much damage on small stuff. I think Lane's got the right Idea if you have access to a 22 hornet or something in that size nothing larger than 25 caliber it would be great. I was kinda lucky with my dik dik he was kind enough to stand facing me so I could shot him in the throat and gut him at the same time without blowing him to pieces. I wont mention who was holding him when all his gut's fell out on there boots  | |||
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As already mentioned...a .25-20 would be kick-ass for these guys too. I have a little model 65 Winchester .25-20 that would be great. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm taking a 22 K Hornet for Damara Dik Dik and Steenbok this August. On my last trip I decided to carry a small caliber rifle for targets of opportunity. I shot four jackals with my 8x57 and absolutely destroyed them... | |||
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pinotguy, I don't count the Vaal Rhebok in the TT. Everyone has their own pick I guess. I count Red and Blue Duiker along with the Common Duiker also the Sharpes and Cape Grysbok, Damaraland Dik-Diik, Klipspringer, Steenbok, Orib and Suni. I guess some would place the Vaal Rhebok in place of the Dik-Dik and some the Mt Reedbuck in place of the Sharpes Grysbok. Keeping them basically in RSA although the Sharpes can be found around the border in the Messina area. The Vaal Rehbok is another story, if anyone thinks the Pronghorn has good eyesight they need a white cane next to the Vaal Rehbok. You do need something to really reach out and touch them. | |||
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I loaded up some Barnes Solids in 270 win mag for my buddy. They were super accurate and had plenty of reach even for Vaal Rehbok. #2pencil hole all the way thru! I think some of the commercially availabe custom loaders can provide them. Best regards Mike Ohlmann Mike's Custom Taxidermy Inc. 4102 Cane Run Rd. Louisville KY 40216 502-448-1309 Mike@mikescustomtaxidermy.com | |||
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Planning a hunt on the tiny antelope with a Hornet, 22 WMR, 25-20, etc is fine, but think of the times you've taken them in the past. Most of the time, they're targets of opportunity....taken while stalking buffalo, glassing for Gemsbok, or hunting some other primary game. I think some solution using your regular hunting rifle is in order (solids), or perhaps plan to have a tracker carry your dedicated "Tiny" rifle. | |||
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