The anti-hunters promote their freedom of speech to bust in on everything.
I support the freedom-of-hunting for as long as there is freedom of speech.

If Jo did her research so well as she said, then she would know that for one, the White Rhino here in SA was saved because of work/research done by Ian Player, KZN Parks AND HUNTERS!!!

A hunter (maj P.J. Pretorius) is the sole reason why there are Addo Elephants today. The government asked him to exterminate all Elephant in the Addo area and after he shot them all except for a handful he realized that they could be a sub-specie. He then lied to the government and told them that they were all dead. Today the numbers of Addo Elephants are sustainable.

What did Ducks-Unlimited do for the protection of wet-lands to protect it for the hunters.

Jo tries to come from an emotional angle to stop us hunting. Anyone that tries to force someone using emotions as a foundation will only succeed in getting the info that suits them and ignore all the facts.

Yes, uncontrolled hunting did do a lot of damage. Modern sport hunting did more to save species.

Just look at what happened to the total animal population 15 years after Kenya stopped hunting.

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Firstly i looked at who had funded and participated in this research. It's always interesting to know who's word you are taking and in this case i found it to be funded and partially researched by Panthera and various affiliated persons. For me this does not bode well considering Panthera are not impartial and therefore the research is not unbiased.

if anything, Panthera's bias lies against hunting

Fritz, all valid points as of many other posters but with Jolouburn you are just against the wind.

A fair amount of her "research" stems from the information we have been feeding her which regrettably has led to her and her tribe of anti hunters in being heard by authorities supportive of these misguided ideals.

I wouldn't waste any more valuable internet time with her.

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zanzibar leopard

"poached" to extinction maybe.... not sport hunted. Pls differentiate from the two which are polar opposite activities.

Probably a whole bunch on your list suffered the same result.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:

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Firstly i looked at who had funded and participated in this research. It's always interesting to know who's word you are taking and in this case i found it to be funded and partially researched by Panthera and various affiliated persons. For me this does not bode well considering Panthera are not impartial and therefore the research is not unbiased.

if anything, Panthera's bias lies against hunting

Panthera has not been vehemently anti-hunting and seems to be a fairly objective group most of the time. However...if they have bias...it is certainly towards anti-hunting...as Bwanamich states above.

When Luke Hunter (a leader in Panthera) states something prohunting...he usually prefaces it with something like: "...as untasteful as I personally find hunting, it does do good with...".

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zanzibar leopard

"poached" to extinction maybe.... not sport hunted. Pls differentiate from the two which are polar opposite activities.

Probably a whole bunch on your list suffered the same result.

The lady also needs to remember that Z'Bar Island measures roughly 250 sq miles (22 x 11) of which 90% is encroached by humanity - and even though hunting is prohibited (as far as I know)the rare and fast disappearing Z'Bar Duiker still finds its way to the local market (dead of course).

Encroachment of space and poaching Dear Lady, not the legal hunting, is what you need to be looking at.

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I think if you read closely this isn't banning the import of lions into the EU. Rather the CITES check box on the import form must be more closely monitored. From now on the shipper will simply move the pencil 1/2" up and check the "not wild" box.

They are making a rather profound announcement out of not much.

In any event the forms should be filled out correctly anyhow.

John,

Surely you are not suggesting that the hunting industry and those involved will corruptly fill in wild lions as canned just to get them exported? (shock horror)

Not at all. Rather I suspect that canned lions are listed as "wild" on the form today. Either through ignorance or some deep dark conspiracy.

I don't think that there are all that many truly wild lions killed in SA.

Much ado about nothing