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Originally posted by Wink:
The wood on this rifle is pretty "ho-hum" and I don't like the tight radius of the grip. I would only consider buying the barreled action, for a barreled action price.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I could be wrong, but I can't see how either of Jack O'Connor's .416 (asking price $65,000) or Wally Johnson's .375 ($75,000) will sell for anywhere near those prices.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Ray,

It is too bad someone like Robert Peterson didn't build a hunting museum and have these yahoos donate all their old stuff to the museum, or have Peterson buy it when they were gone.

All this stuff, Keith, Roy Rogers, O'Connor is going to go to the highest bidder to never be enjoyed by the public. I don't get that people want to buy it.

Shooting a rifle owned by someone like that doesn't do anything for me.

If I won a billion dollars tommorow I wouldn't buy it, unless I was going to build a museum, which I won't because 99.9% of these hunting oriented museums end up sold when someone passes away. The only ones I know of that is still in exsistence is the Werner Wildlife Museum in Casper, and the Osa Johnson museum.

Maybe the Gun Museum in Cody would take good care of it, if someone left them an endowment.

20 years from now, 99% of the people that knew Jack and Elmer will be dead. 90% of them have been dead for many years. Owning a piece of history doesn't make you historical or connect you with the past.

I like guns, I like old guns, I like interesting guns, but I am not a collector. I am a hunter, and I reckon something like that ought to be on display somewhere.

As for Jack being an Icon. I didn't know him, I know people that have met him. Some of them think the is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people think he was a toff, and an asshole toward people he thought were lesser.

He had an interesting life, a lot of poeple have had more interesting lives, and maybe they ought to have more notoriety than they do.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
At the time that rifle was built that was THE DESIGN, The American classic was in its infancy and Roy Wbys Monte Carlo was popular..It was the Birth of Americas greatest gun builders..If you can't understand that then Jacks guns won't work for you...but that gun isn't for sale to take hunting its a collector depicting a time in the gunmaking art..

It is a functional rifle however and although I like the open grip and my guns are English, I will tell you that the tighter grip will not hammer your middle finger like a heavy recoiling straigt grip rifle that tends to slide, regardless of the sales pitch..The same as the wby design or the Monte Claro, they handled recoil as well as any English rifle, it just that they are butt ugly and Id rather be kicked!

I belive Jack O'Connor was an Icon to American shooters and hunters, he was the king and he was the best shot with a rifle Ive ever known and his guns deserve a place in history every bit as much as any of the African greats. Jack made the American classic popular almost single handedly, He made Jerry Fisher, Al Bisen and a host of other famous gun makers a reputation, I think he deserves his rifles in a museum or sold at auction for a million dollars.Opinnions vari, this is mine.

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Ray,


20 years from now, 99% of the people that knew As for Jack being an Icon. I didn't know him, I know people that have met him. Some of them think the is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people think he was a toff, and an asshole toward people he thought were lesser.

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Met a guy who is now dead that ran into Jack in Alaska. They ended up eating breakfast together waiting on a flight in (or out). After he was done Jack jumped up and exclaimed "Anyone that eats breakfast with Jack O'Connor pays the bill" and left.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Ray,


20 years from now, 99% of the people that knew As for Jack being an Icon. I didn't know him, I know people that have met him. Some of them think the is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people think he was a toff, and an asshole toward people he thought were lesser.

.

Met a guy who is now dead that ran into Jack in Alaska. They ended up eating breakfast together waiting on a flight in (or out). After he was done Jack jumped up and exclaimed "Anyone that eats breakfast with Jack O'Connor pays the bill" and left.

True or not, that sounds like what I have heard to.

I have met Boddington, Chub Eastman, Kai Uwe Denker, Aagaard and a few Australian and German writers that no one has ever heard of.

Eastman was a crachety bastard but a nice guy. Boddington was busy, but was a nice guy. Aagaard was the kind of guy that you like no matter what, he was a jewell of a man. I didn't care for Denker, but I think he was sick when I met him. So I will wait to say how I feel until someday when I bump into him again.

Top 3 things I care about in gun writing.

1. Techincal proficiency, don't write about what you don't know about. If you don't understand it then don't write about it. Rifle Magazine and Eastman's Journal are the worst at this.

2. Tell me about the product, or tell me about the hunt, or tell me about the experience. Don't spend 9 paiges telling me about something else that isn't connected to the subject of the article. Wieland sucks at this. He is the #1 reason I don't subscribe to Rifle magazine.

3. If you were in the military great, if you have combat experience great, if you were not then don't tell me how you have friends that are SEALS or Green Berets and wear a SEAL Team 6 shirt or a RIP Chris Kyle shirt unless you knew the guy. You know who has friends that are Navy SEALS or Green Berets, other SEALS or Green Berets, and some people they served with before they became SEALS or Green Berets. I had several very good ex-drinking buddies from 20 years ago when we were all E-5's together get into the Navy Spec War EOD program Navy SARC Corpsman Program, and one is a Marine Recon Corpsman, we are aquantances at best now. That is how it is. As a DOD civilian I helped a kid get into SARC Corpman school when he got kicked out of BUDS for a panty raid his last month there. Doesn't mean he and I are tight he was a good kid, and a fellow Wyomingite/Montanan. The command didn't know how to make it happen, so I called people I knew that were E8s and E9s from 20 years ago.

I know 20-25 F/A-18 Pilots from my work in a test and development squadron as a civ. We don't go drinking either, people like that hang out with other people like that. We are friendly but not friends. Obviously family is different, if you have a relative that did it, it is one thing.

Everything I just said about military service can be said about being a wanna be and stolen valor. If this is your deal, I am not interested.

Anyway, enough soap box on that for now.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I could be wrong, but I can't see how either of Jack O'Connor's .416 (asking price $65,000) or Wally Johnson's .375 ($75,000) will sell for anywhere near those prices.

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Originally posted by Kebco:
Any one notice shipping is $750 by ground?

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Ray,


20 years from now, 99% of the people that knew As for Jack being an Icon. I didn't know him, I know people that have met him. Some of them think the is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people think he was a toff, and an asshole toward people he thought were lesser.

.

Met a guy who is now dead that ran into Jack in Alaska. They ended up eating breakfast together waiting on a flight in (or out). After he was done Jack jumped up and exclaimed "Anyone that eats breakfast with Jack O'Connor pays the bill" and left.

True or not, that sounds like what I have heard to.

I have met Boddington, Chub Eastman, Kai Uwe Denker, Aagaard and a few Australian and German writers that no one has ever heard of.

Eastman was a crachety bastard but a nice guy. Boddington was busy, but was a nice guy. Aagaard was the kind of guy that you like no matter what, he was a jewell of a man. I didn't care for Denker, but I think he was sick when I met him. So I will wait to say how I feel until someday when I bump into him again.

Top 3 things I care about in gun writing.

1. Techincal proficiency, don't write about what you don't know about. If you don't understand it then don't write about it. Rifle Magazine and Eastman's Journal are the worst at this.

2. Tell me about the product, or tell me about the hunt, or tell me about the experience. Don't spend 9 paiges telling me about something else that isn't connected to the subject of the article. Wieland sucks at this. He is the #1 reason I don't subscribe to Rifle magazine.

3. If you were in the military great, if you have combat experience great, if you were not then don't tell me how you have friends that are SEALS or Green Berets and wear a SEAL Team 6 shirt or a RIP Chris Kyle shirt unless you knew the guy. You know who has friends that are Navy SEALS or Green Berets, other SEALS or Green Berets, and some people they served with before they became SEALS or Green Berets. I had several very good ex-drinking buddies from 20 years ago when we were all E-5's together get into the Navy Spec War EOD program Navy SARC Corpsman Program, and one is a Marine Recon Corpsman, we are aquantances at best now. That is how it is. As a DOD civilian I helped a kid get into SARC Corpman school when he got kicked out of BUDS for a panty raid his last month there. Doesn't mean he and I are tight he was a good kid, and a fellow Wyomingite/Montanan. The command didn't know how to make it happen, so I called people I knew that were E8s and E9s from 20 years ago.

I know 20-25 F/A-18 Pilots from my work in a test and development squadron as a civ. We don't go drinking either, people like that hang out with other people like that. We are friendly but not friends. Obviously family is different, if you have a relative that did it, it is one thing.

Everything I just said about military service can be said about being a wanna be and stolen valor. If this is your deal, I am not interested.

Anyway, enough soap box on that for now.

My last Jack story.

I was hunting antelope in eastern Wyoming many moons ago (1986). I brought up the name Jack O'Connor. The rancher smirked and told about Jack hunting a nearby ranch some years previously. He went out the first morning saw a good antelope right off the bat and shot it from the vehicle. By the time the article came out he had hunted hard for several days finally taking the animal after a long hard stalk.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Ray,


20 years from now, 99% of the people that knew As for Jack being an Icon. I didn't know him, I know people that have met him. Some of them think the is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some people think he was a toff, and an asshole toward people he thought were lesser.

.

Met a guy who is now dead that ran into Jack in Alaska. They ended up eating breakfast together waiting on a flight in (or out). After he was done Jack jumped up and exclaimed "Anyone that eats breakfast with Jack O'Connor pays the bill" and left.

True or not, that sounds like what I have heard to.

I have met Boddington, Chub Eastman, Kai Uwe Denker, Aagaard and a few Australian and German writers that no one has ever heard of.

Eastman was a crachety bastard but a nice guy. Boddington was busy, but was a nice guy. Aagaard was the kind of guy that you like no matter what, he was a jewell of a man. I didn't care for Denker, but I think he was sick when I met him. So I will wait to say how I feel until someday when I bump into him again.

Top 3 things I care about in gun writing.

1. Techincal proficiency, don't write about what you don't know about. If you don't understand it then don't write about it. Rifle Magazine and Eastman's Journal are the worst at this.

2. Tell me about the product, or tell me about the hunt, or tell me about the experience. Don't spend 9 paiges telling me about something else that isn't connected to the subject of the article. Wieland sucks at this. He is the #1 reason I don't subscribe to Rifle magazine.

3. If you were in the military great, if you have combat experience great, if you were not then don't tell me how you have friends that are SEALS or Green Berets and wear a SEAL Team 6 shirt or a RIP Chris Kyle shirt unless you knew the guy. You know who has friends that are Navy SEALS or Green Berets, other SEALS or Green Berets, and some people they served with before they became SEALS or Green Berets. I had several very good ex-drinking buddies from 20 years ago when we were all E-5's together get into the Navy Spec War EOD program Navy SARC Corpsman Program, and one is a Marine Recon Corpsman, we are aquantances at best now. That is how it is. As a DOD civilian I helped a kid get into SARC Corpman school when he got kicked out of BUDS for a panty raid his last month there. Doesn't mean he and I are tight he was a good kid, and a fellow Wyomingite/Montanan. The command didn't know how to make it happen, so I called people I knew that were E8s and E9s from 20 years ago.

I know 20-25 F/A-18 Pilots from my work in a test and development squadron as a civ. We don't go drinking either, people like that hang out with other people like that. We are friendly but not friends. Obviously family is different, if you have a relative that did it, it is one thing.

Everything I just said about military service can be said about being a wanna be and stolen valor. If this is your deal, I am not interested.

Anyway, enough soap box on that for now.

My last Jack story.

I was hunting antelope in eastern Wyoming many moons ago (1986). I brought up the name Jack O'Connor. The rancher smirked and told about Jack hunting a nearby ranch some years previously. He went out the first morning saw a good antelope right off the bat and shot it from the vehicle. By the time the article came out he had hunted hard for several days finally taking the animal after a long hard stalk.

Count down to the Capstick comparison .... 3.... 2.....1......

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I think on page 245 of Boddington's Safari Rifles II that you can see a picture of the rifle with Jack O with a buffalo. It is black and white pic, so I can't say with 100 percent certainty, but under light yeah, I think they are the same.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Bloody hell!

At that price they can keep it!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Its the internet, a big time gossip collum, I have heard bad things on AR about Jack O'Connor, Elmer Keith, Boddington,Peter Capstick, Every author and Gun scribe out there, go back and check..None of them have escaped the wrath of the internet..Its all bullshit and hearsay, He said, she said!! and reeks with jealousy...

All of them that Ive known to one degree or another were decent folks, Jack O'Connor was always good to me, I was his 14 year old Coues and Mule deer guide, I liked him a lot and he was the best off hand shot Ive ever known.

Boddingtons been beat to death, but hes a good guy and a gentleman of a hell of a lot of experience..Ive only talked to him at SCI and he was gracious.

Elmer was an Icon, a tad windy, but he was a hunter and wrote some mighty good stuff. I met him in an assisted living home in Boise some years back..Interesting man.

Finn Aagaard was a fine gentile man as was George Hoffman, knew them both well..

I think judging a man you never met and talked to personally is pretty damn cheap shooting..