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Out of Africa - status of ethics investigation?
09 January 2007, 21:45
500grainsOut of Africa - status of ethics investigation?
Does anyone know if Out of Africa Adventurous Safaris is still a member of SCI, or has the SCI investigation of their "hunting" in Zimbabwe, alleged violations of the Lacey Act, and alleged bilking of clients borne fruit?
Or are SCI directors still getting special hunts with OOA?
09 January 2007, 22:01
Aspen Hill AdventuresI still see the OoA advertisements in the SCI publications. I have noticed that OoA does not list Zimbabwe as a destination on the ad but something tells me they still go there.
~Ann
09 January 2007, 23:05
GrumulkinThe rumors I've heard would make it seem unlikely to me that the operators would venture into Zimbabwe. Maybe they have made amends.
I ran into a guy in Joberg getting back from a hunt with them. It was apparently a marathon trip to the hunting area (though he begged for a night's break in a hotel) in a smoke filled car. A videographer was sent along (not at his request) and had great aspirations of getting a lot of money for the video he was making, etc. It seemed to me he was also pressured into a green rhino hunt he hadn't planned on as well. The guy, suprisingly, didn't seem too negative about it but in my opinion had really been had.
10 January 2007, 05:50
L. David KeithI'll be in Zimbabwe soon, but I do not anticipate any problems. All will be posted when I return.
Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris
http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333
Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com
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Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#926103994110 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
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Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......
"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
10 January 2007, 06:11
wesley timmermanL. David Keith, did you book through Out of Africa
Adventurous Safaris?? Just curious.
thanks
10 January 2007, 07:05
jdollarOOA has donated a Botswana elephant hunt for the Sat. nite auction, so apparently they are still in good standing.. never heard anything more about the ethics investigation. looks suspiciously like a whitewash job
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10 January 2007, 07:07
L. David KeithHello Wesley:
No, actually I going with one of our Outfitters; Imapla African Safaris to scout concessions and camps. I'll be hunting along the way and returning later for Buffalo, Lion and Leopard (2 hunts). I can ask about OOA when I'm there if you like. Good hunting, David
Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris
http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333
Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com
NRA Benefactor
DSC Professional Member
SCI Member
RMEF Life Member
NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor
NAHC Life Member
Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer
Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added
http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#926103994110 days in the Stormberg Mountains
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson
Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......
"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."
10 January 2007, 07:21
BGFI know that OOAAS is still offering hunts in Zimbabwe to clients in Mexico so I guess that the answer to 500 grains question is yes. Since they're having booths at Reno I guess SCI still considers them members...I wonder how can this be with all the troubles they've gone trough in Botswana, Zim and RSA...
10 January 2007, 19:49
peashooter500 grains;
follow the money
10 January 2007, 23:02
quickshotKevin Andersen is one of the SCI's Vice Presidents and is OoAAS personal attorney-----hunts with them regulary. Check their Brochures for his photos
-Mike Christianson sits on the SCI ethics committee---has hunted with them I believe 3 or 4 times--regular customer
-OoAAS rents large booth space--donates tens of thousands of dollars worth of hunts etc..
GET THE PICTURE--OoAAS pays for protection in my opinion---SCI protects them so that SCI continues getting the donated hunts (read as income flow). In return, (IMO) OoAAS preys on SCI members
Ethics with SCI upper management--I don't see it
I know this comment might offend some --sorry but that is just my opinion.
nothin sweeter than the smell of fresh blood on your hunting boots
11 January 2007, 05:45
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by quickshot:
Kevin Andersen is one of the SCI's Vice Presidents and is OoAAS personal attorney-----hunts with them regulary. Check their Brochures for his photos
-Mike Christianson sits on the SCI ethics committee---has hunted with them I believe 3 or 4 times--regular customer
-OoAAS rents large booth space--donates tens of thousands of dollars worth of hunts etc..
GET THE PICTURE--OoAAS pays for protection in my opinion---SCI protects them so that SCI continues getting the donated hunts (read as income flow). In return, (IMO) OoAAS preys on SCI members
Ethics with SCI upper management--I don't see it
I know this comment might offend some --sorry but that is just my opinion.
If one mentions the SCI "ethics committee" in Africa one is laughed it.
They think it is a big JOKE!