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As a fellow Texan, let me apologize for Lane (ledvm).

Stonecreek,

No need to apologize for me. In my posts I was mostly quoting a friend who lives in RSA.

Besides...I am happy to be the "Sarah Palin" of AR.

I stand by my post and views.

KPete, well said I agree with you 100%

Regards
Aziz

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As a fellow Texan, let me apologize for Lane (ledvm). You see, he went to Texas A&M (which is partially my fault) and for an Aggie, he is actually quite literate.

In fact, he is just literate enough to swallow much of the bile being broadcast, printed, and electronically distributed, thus it is difficult for him and alot of other folks to understand the difference between a Mandela and a Mugabe (who began at least a bit better than his outlandishly corrupt end, which is near.)

I promise this is my last post on this subject. But on a lighter note, and in the essence of full-disclosure, which seems to be paramount these days, I wanted to respond to Stonecreek one more time since we (he and I) do represent The Great State of Texas.

In the hallowed grounds of Aggie-Land, we have a name for those who were unfortunate enough to have graduated from "tu" (University of Texas)...they are referred to as "tea-sips" (a group in which Stonecreek is a member- ) for their nature to sit around and sip tea and discuss problems while us Aggies get the job done!!!

Yep...Stonecreek did support me in my younger college years and for that I gave him a great big Texas thank you and a copy of a diploma with the words Magna Cum Laude printed squarely at the bottom.

In my professional years since veterinary school, I have been a staunch supporter and laborer of the Grand Old Party.

Maybe in the essence of disclosure and in the spirit of our Great State...Stonecreek will disclose which political party he is a member there of???

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In the hallowed grounds of Aggie-Land, we have a name for those who were unfortunate enough to have graduated from "tu" (University of Texas)...they are referred to as "tea-sips" (a group in which Stonecreek is a member- ) for their nature to sit around and sip tea and discuss problems while us Aggies get the job done!!!

Well, if it makes you feel better to believe that...

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I have been a staunch supporter and laborer of the Grand Old Party.

Maybe in the essence of disclosure and in the spirit of our Great State...Stonecreek will disclose which political party he is a member there of???

Why?
Peter.

would it be possible for this thread to get any farther afield from the original posted question? this mess should moved to the political forum days ago. got to admit though- 1 man pretty much singlehandedly kept it going.

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Fortunately, in the US there has long been the recognition that freedom is indeed worth fighting - and if necessary - dying for

So how is that freedom thing working out for the man on the street, black or white, in the "new" South Africa? Outside the political class? Or is the liberation movement merely a Trojan Horse for the real agenda ... to take control of the political process for personal aggrandizement and material gain?

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to take control of the political process for personal aggrandizement and material gain?

Russ, sounds just like the Republicans and the Democrats! Human nature is human nature.
Happy Christmas!
Peter.

Shakari:
I have always enjoyed your posts. However, please refrain, in the future, from citing Wikipedia as an authority to anything. That site is extremely flawed in it's "facts". Were I to utilize Wikipedia in an argument before any court of appeals I would be asked to kindly turn in my law license.


Dutch

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Originally posted by Dutch44:
Shakari:
I have always enjoyed your posts. However, please refrain, in the future, from citing Wikipedia as an authority to anything. That site is extremely flawed in it's "facts". Were I to utilize Wikipedia in an argument before any court of appeals I would be asked to kindly turn in my law license.


Dutch

Dutch,

With all due respect and without intending to insult you, what on earth makes you think for a moment that you have the right to tell me what I can or cannot post?

You have a right to tell me you think Wiki might not be accurate and indeed, you can even sign into Wiki to correct what it says there if you feel the need. However, in the case of the links I posted, they were accurate.

As long as my comments are OK with Saeed and the moderators, I'll post what I like and I don't need and won't ask your or anyone else's permission to post a comment.

As a lawyer, you should know all about freedom of speech. If I remember correctly, I believe it says something in your constitution and/or bill of rights about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U..._States_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_bill_of_rights



Sorry about that, but it was just toooooooo good to miss!

Not going back on my promise!!!

I responded to Steve on a new thread in the Political Forum for those who still care about the thread.

Merry Christmas!!!

Shakari:
I'm was not my intention to tell you or anyone what they may or may not say. I should have phrased it better. But I do stand by my statement that Wikipedia is not the most accurate source to quote. And thank you, I do know my Constitution.

Dutch

Dutch,

Yes, perhaps you could have phrased it better, but don't worry about it.

Regards your constitution.... I was only pulling your leg and I'm sure you're very familiar with it, but I just couldn't resist the humour!

Have a good Christmas!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Not going back on my promise!!!

I responded to Steve on a new thread in the Political Forum for those who still care about the thread.

Merry Christmas!!!

Is it entitled "Invective"? Gig 'em!
Class of '82

To say the least this was been an interesting thread. It skewed off slightly but has provided a good read. I still would love to hear from more people on AR that have seen the movie and what they thought of it. I actually thought that a good many hunters/visitors to Africa on AR would have gone to see it considering the garbage that Hollywood generaly spews outs. At least it was based on an actual happening that was not ancient history.
Thanks
Wesley

Enjoyed the movie. Followed Carlin's book well. Thought it was a fair representation of the game in general, as well as the 95 WC. No doubt that Mandela's "human calculation" was both brilliant and pragmatic. Now, if we thought this thread got off track from previous posts, or poster, be thankful there are few Kiwi AR members. My Kiwi friends still claim the AB's were intentionally exposed to food poisining the night before the final. Only way the Boks could have won!

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My Kiwi friends still claim the AB's were intentionally exposed to food poisining the night before the final. Only way the Boks could have won!

of course!

Well No I am not going to spend money to see this one period. Its not because I don't like Clint Eastwood Movies, I do a lot, not that I don't like pretty much watching Morgan Freedman on film, I do. I could care even less about Nelson Mandela, just another African Communist and that second wife of his. I don't care for Rugby, but the real reason, is if I go I put money in Matt Daemon's pocket and that I will not do. Besides I would rather watch White Hunter/ Black Heart. Thou I would have to admit, "The Gods must be Crazy" was one of the better movies I seen in the last thirty five or so years.

Ernest Hemingway said it thus:

"In Africa a thing is true at first light and a lie by noon and you have no more respect for it than for the lovely, perfect weed fringed lake you see across the sun baked salt plain. You have walked across that plain in the morning and you know that no such lake is there. But now it is there absolutely true, beautiful and believable."

In 1965 Mandella WAS a terrorist. In 1994 he was a hero-come-home for most, hope for some and fear for quite a few. In 2009 he is a retired, gentle, successful politician, freedom fighter, and a living legend.

Less African leaderes have willingly stood down and handed over power than the amount of men which have walked on the moon. For that example alone I believe him to be outstanding!

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Originally posted by jetdrvr:

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Your friends are obviously racist scum or have had their land taken away from them!!!

Is that anything like the black racist scum in Zimbabwe who have murdered whites and driven them off their land? That would piss me off.

It all depends on just whose ox is getting gored. Before you start screaming about racists, I would look north and east at Mad Bob's paradise in the sun.

The jury's still out on South Africa. I wish everyone luck. It's going to take a lot of it.

That pretty much sums it up.

As a native Texan I have to say that ledvm does not represent me.

Wow, who could imagine a thread about a rugby movie would evolve into this mess.

I haven't seen the movie, I do however remember somehow watching the game on TV(weird because I wasn't really interested in Rugby) and I thought Francois Piennart(spelling sorry) post game speech was really something that still send shivers up my spine alfter all these years. I looked it up on youtube when I saw the first trailer.

Without trying to flame my neighbors to the south only an American would lecture South African's on their own history. It's a little like Sarah Palin of all people telling us that Canada would be an OK place if only we got rid of our socialized health care.

I know maybe 20 South African's mostly white afrikaaners and all of them believe that RSA is better off today because of Mandela, not perfect, but better off.

I saw the 2007 World Cup Rugby match between South Africa and England, which South Africa won. That's when I found out about the earlier match and a of the little history behind it. I also learned to understand Rugby from the 2007 match. With that said, I have seen the movie twice and I have enjoyed it for the message that "the nearly impossible is achievable", all politics, negative or otherwise, aside.

martinbns

Wow! A Canadian who understands. Spot on.

Remington720. As an Aggie, ditto (FWIW).

Use Enough Gun

I'm ready to see it again, but didn't understand much about rugby until half way through third term of my senior year at Rift Valley Academy in Kijabe, Kenya. You are a fast study!

Haven't seen the ovie (yet). Did they show the All Blacks doing the Haka before the game? That itself would be inspiring!
Peter.

Peter,

Yes, the All Blacks are shown doing the Haka before the game.

I went and saw the movie last night with my wife and daughter, who is home on vacation from college. We thought it was an excellent movie, and I kept thinking about the comments from South Africans on this thread as I watched it. Some of the things Mandela did really were profound based on what you guys have said about him, it had to be incredibly tough resisting what others from his party must have wanted to do.

As we walked out of the theater afterward, my daughter said "It makes me wish we were still in South Africa. I can't wait to go back." That alone made it worth if for me!

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Originally posted by Stephen Palos:
Ernest Hemingway said it thus:

"In Africa a thing is true at first light and a lie by noon and you have no more respect for it than for the lovely, perfect weed fringed lake you see across the sun baked salt plain. You have walked across that plain in the morning and you know that no such lake is there. But now it is there absolutely true, beautiful and believable."

In 1965 Mandella WAS a terrorist. In 1994 he was a hero-come-home for most, hope for some and fear for quite a few. In 2009 he is a retired, gentle, successful politician, freedom fighter, and a living legend.

Less African leaderes have willingly stood down and handed over power than the amount of men which have walked on the moon. For that example alone I believe him to be outstanding!

Very well said. I, for one, fear that may put him in company exclusive and apart from our current President here in the USA. I expect our guy will try to be much more like the rest of Africa's rulers than like Mandela.

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Originally posted by George Semel:
Well No I am not going to spend money to see this one period. Its not because I don't like Clint Eastwood Movies, I do a lot, not that I don't like pretty much watching Morgan Freedman on film, I do. I could care even less about Nelson Mandela, just another African Communist and that second wife of his. I don't care for Rugby, but the real reason, is if I go I put money in Matt Daemon's pocket and that I will not do. Besides I would rather watch White Hunter/ Black Heart. Thou I would have to admit, "The Gods must be Crazy" was one of the better movies I seen in the last thirty five or so years.

+1 If Matt Damon is in the movie, I have no desire to see it!