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Just saw this movie yesterday afternoon and was wondering if any fellow AR members had seen the it and what they thought. I thought it was a good movie but wondered what some of the AR members from Africa thought.Granted I am not well versed in RSA history but wanted to ask the question anyway.How much was truthful and how much was hollywood add on.With Clint Eastwood directing I thought it was worth the look.I apoligize if this is not the right forum but thought I would get better feedback here than in other areas.
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I can provide feedback after Friday night....

Apprently its very good? I hear Freeman was OK as Mandela but Damon was excellent?

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I am planning to watch it...soon (babysitter permitting). I will be sure to post feedback once I have watched it.
 
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Been wondering the same thing since its release last week. Ready for whatever spin hollywood puts on Freeman/Mandela but read a quote from Damon to the effect "I know nothing of rugby"
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Damon to the effect "I know nothing of rugby"



That ironic, I was just told by a Kiwi friend that Damon used to play rugby himslef, hence his suitability for the role..however i am not sure where he got that info!
 
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Saw it over the weekend and thought they did a pretty good job for a movie. I thought Freeman did an excelent job, maybe not an Oscar, but one never knows.

Saw a number of areas of Cape Town that I had visited, so that was a plus for me.

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Tried to get some feedback here earlier -- see thread at the 'fire.

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I have not seen it yet but will. My RSA white friends tell me Mandela was nothing but a terrorist no different from those that downed the World Trade Center in NYC. They say he should have been hung and at any other time would have been.


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I have not seen it yet but will. My RSA white friends tell me Mandela was nothing but a terrorist no different from those that downed the World Trade Center in NYC. They say he should have been hung and at any other time would have been.


I'd say your friends are very wrong indeed. If it hadn't been for Mandela, things would have been considerably worse when the time of change arrived as sooner or later, it had to.

His 1st wife however, might be a very different story.

Politics in Africa are never easy and are always complex but let's face it, there was more chance of pigs flying than thing continuing as they had done in the past.

A good example of how he helped the change over of power is the truth and reconciliation commission..... without that, SA would have seen a blood bath and if anyone expects Africa to be like the western world, they're always gonna be sadly disappointed.

FWIW, The movie hasn't arrived in my neck of the woods yet, but it's a helluva good book!






 
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Not trying to nitpick, but Winnie was his second wife.


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I'd say your friends are very wrong indeed. If it hadn't been for Mandela, things would have been considerably worse when the time of change arrived as sooner or later, it had to.


Y'all will just have to disagree on that one. They are multi-generation RSA families and they feel the oposite from you! In fact talked to one today and he still feels Mandela should have been hanged and was a common terrorist.

He set of bombs and killed folks didn't he?


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Politics in Africa can be very cloudy. Seemingly good guys turn out to be the oposite and bad guys are often sponsored by foreign countries for wrong reasons. I am sure that there are claims pro and con Mandela that have validity. As for the movie... made me so homesick for a couple days, I bet it will fetch some awards. On another note I receintly got "faith like potatoes" and plan to watch it soon. It is a "faith film" about a guy in RSA.
 
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I have not seen it yet but will. My RSA white friends tell me Mandela was nothing but a terrorist no different from those that downed the World Trade Center in NYC. They say he should have been hung and at any other time would have been.


Nonsense! He has his failings for sure and yes he did eventually feel the need for militant action but so do many of our so-called heroic world leaders.

He is an astute and patient leader. I for one wish he was younger.

Common terrorist...not at all, what on earth made them think that? I am NOT a bleeding heart and liked FW de Klerk as he had brains and accumen but PW Botha was a kiniving, lying, conceited bastard and was half the man Mandela is.
Mandela is worthy of some criticism...of course, he is not an infallible god but as far as presidents/icons and leaders go is damn good!
 
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Mandela has shortcomings and surely took part in "illegal acts" but in the end RSA for all her shortcomings is a much better place than most in Africa. Few would argue it! Whatever he may have been or done before, I think Mandela deserves most of the credit for this.

At any rate it is good that a big budget international movie has FINALLY come out that does not villanize all white South Africans as opressors and bigots. Maybe we're turning a corner that will at last bring South Africa and South Africans - black, white and brown - the credit and acclaim they deserve in the international community. It is long overdue.


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I have not seen it yet but will. My RSA white friends tell me Mandela was nothing but a terrorist no different from those that downed the World Trade Center in NYC. They say he should have been hung and at any other time would have been.

A more incorrect assessment of Mandela is hard to fathom.
 
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I assume the title was stolen from William E. Henley's poem?
 
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Could you please enlighten us to why Mr Mandela was jailed for 27 years. What were the charges and what was he and the others who stood trial in the Rivonia case charged with and what they were acquited on? What was his position at the time?

I wonder what would the same charge in the USA bring a perpetrator, life or the chair?


I think we're about to find out, if anyone can believe Holder...

Story I heard was he got caught with bombs on the way to plant them. If that's incorrect, someone please correct me.
 
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I'd say your friends are very wrong indeed. If it hadn't been for Mandela, things would have been considerably worse when the time of change arrived as sooner or later, it had to.


Y'all will just have to disagree on that one. They are multi-generation RSA families and they feel the oposite from you! In fact talked to one today and he still feels Mandela should have been hanged and was a common terrorist.

He set of bombs and killed folks didn't he?



What a crock of shit!!! Have you any idea what it was like to live in South Africa as a non - white. You were treated as a 2nd class citizen in every respect!! Mandela was the face of change that eventually came and I'm concerened about your views considering the respect he gets globally from just about everybody!! He must be superhuman to accomodate all races once he came into power after the abuse he went through! Your friends are obviously racist scum or have had their land taken away from them!!!
 
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This is from Wikipedia, so take it at face value:

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Anti-apartheid activities

In 1961, Mandela became leader of the ANC's armed wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe (translated Spear of the Nation, and also abbreviated MK), which he co-founded.[31] He coordinated sabotage campaigns against military and government targets, making plans for a possible guerrilla war if the sabotage failed to end apartheid.[32] Mandela also raised funds for MK abroad and arranged for paramilitary training of the group.[32]

Fellow ANC member Wolfie Kadesh explains the bombing campaign led by Mandela: "When we knew that we [sic] going to start on 16 December 1961, to blast the symbolic places of apartheid, like pass offices, native magistrates courts, and things like that ... post offices and ... the government offices. But we were to do it in such a way that nobody would be hurt, nobody would get killed."[33] Mandela said of Wolfie: "His knowledge of warfare and his first hand battle experience were extremely helpful to me."[10]

Mandela described the move to armed struggle as a last resort; years of increasing repression and violence from the state convinced him that many years of non-violent protest against apartheid had not and could not achieve any progress.[10][34]

Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid regime in which many civilians became casualties.[32] Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, sharply criticising those in his own party who attempted to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.[35]

Up until July 2008, Mandela and ANC party members were barred from entering the United States — except the United Nations headquarters in Manhattan — without a special waiver from the US Secretary of State, because of their South African apartheid regime era designation as terrorists.[36][37]

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On 5 August 1962 Mandela was arrested after living on the run for seventeen months, and was imprisoned in the Johannesburg Fort.[38] The arrest was made possible because the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) tipped off the security police as to Mandela's whereabouts and disguise.[39][40][41] Three days later, the charges of leading workers to strike in 1961 and leaving the country illegally were read to him during a court appearance. On 25 October 1962, Mandela was sentenced to five years in prison. Two years later on 11 June 1964, a verdict had been reached concerning his previous engagement in the African National Congress (ANC).[42]

While Mandela was imprisoned, police arrested prominent ANC leaders on 11 July 1963, at Liliesleaf Farm, Rivonia, north of Johannesburg. Mandela was brought in, and at the Rivonia Trial they were charged by the chief prosecutor Dr. Percy Yutar with the capital crimes of sabotage (which Mandela admitted) and crimes which were equivalent to treason, but easier for the government to prove.[43] The second charge accused the defendants of plotting a foreign invasion of South Africa, which Mandela denied.[43]

In his statement from the dock at the opening of the defence case in the trial on 20 April 1964 at Pretoria Supreme Court, Mandela laid out the reasoning in the ANC's choice to use violence as a tactic.[44] His statement described how the ANC had used peaceful means to resist apartheid for years until the Sharpeville Massacre.[45] That event coupled with the referendum establishing the Republic of South Africa and the declaration of a state of emergency along with the banning of the ANC made it clear to Mandela and his compatriots that their only choice was to resist through acts of sabotage and that doing otherwise would have been tantamount to unconditional surrender.[45] Mandela went on to explain how they developed the Manifesto of Umkhonto we Sizwe on 16 December 1961 intent on exposing the failure of the National Party's policies after the economy would be threatened by foreigners' unwillingness to risk investing in the country.[46] He closed his statement with these words:
“ During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to the struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.[34] ”

Bram Fischer, Vernon Berrange, Harry Schwarz, Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson and George Bizos were part of the defence team that represented the accused.[47] Harold Hanson was brought in at the end of the case to plead mitigation.[48] All except Rusty Bernstein were found guilty, but they escaped the gallows and were sentenced to life imprisonment on 12 June 1964.[48] Charges included involvement in planning armed action, in particular four charges of sabotage, which Mandela admitted to, and a conspiracy to help other countries invade South Africa, which Mandela denied.


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Call him what you will but one thing is certain; he changed the history of South Africa for the better.
 
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No offense guys, this isn't a winnable arguement. Without a common ground, two parties won't be able to reach any agreement.

On one side, you are a member of a repressed caste of people who only received relief from Mandela's efforts.

On the other side, you have victims and the families of victims who suffered harm as Mandela's anti aparteid groups used violence to further their means.

This is the problem of the politics where the ends justify the means. It is possible for one person to be both hero and villian.

In the mean time, be good to your fellow man, especially in light of the holidays.

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Saw the movie last night and it was emotional for me. If it was not, your heart is not in the right place as a South African IMHO. Friend of a friend was one of those white bodyguards that were assigned from Special Branch to protect Madiba, and Clint Eastwood got most of it spot on. I got a phone call urging me to go and see it.

The only thing that bugged me a bit was that they did not manage to capture the spirit of the game of Rugby. I have watched countless Baseball and American Football movies, and enjoyed them all, without exeption. They struggled a bit with getting it right with the rugby. Damon did his best as always, but Francois was a much more flamboyant and inspiring leader to his men.

All in all a great story well told. I enjoyed it, and felt proud. Any South African that feels otherwise do not deserve to live in SA. So by the way, the little tittbits about how this "terrorist" interferred into his own party affairs to not allienate white South Africans, and keep the Springbok emblem.....IT's ALL TRUE, so you be the judge of that banner!


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Yes, you're right he did have another wife that had slipped my mind. I was trying to differentiate between Winnie and his Mozambican wife. - Sorry for the confusion.

Regarding the rest of it, as I said, African politics are always murky but let's face it, the old regime was flawed at the roots and history has proved that it was inevitable such a system would eventually fail..... and it did, as it has everywhere else in the world where such similar systems have existed.

I don't think anyone would argue that if Mandela had not been there at the changeover of power, SA would have become a bloodbath. I'm helluva glad it didn't, because I was driving across Johannesburg at the time. rotflmo

A few years ago, slightly against my better judgement, I read his book 'A Long Walk To Freedom' and have to say, it suprised me. I guess it has a degree of image cleaning but I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about the man and his activities.

As for the current system, it's sure as hell not perfect but it's the one we have to live with now and I for one think it's a considerably fairer system than the previous one. Admittedly, it's a super mega bugly stuff up when it comes to organisation but hey, welcome to Africa! Wink I do have hopes that things will improve for the next generation though. Smiler

As has been said, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Interesting how most comments here from those who live in SA are reasonably pro Mandela and many of those from people who do not live in SA are anti Mandela.






 
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The true hero in the changes that brought about the "new" South Africa was F.W. de Klerk.

At least two years before Nelson Mandela was released, I had the opportunity to hunt pronghorn near Lander, Wyoming with a member of de Klerk's government, and was told that Apartheid could not continue and that Nelson Mandela from would be released from the prison on Robben Island and groomed so that he could run for president in the country's first multi-racial election.

Everything that followed came to pass because de Kerk and his people carefully engineered it.

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Your friends are obviously racist scum or have had their land taken away from them!!!



Is that anything like the black racist scum in Zimbabwe who have murdered whites and driven them off their land? That would piss me off.

It all depends on just whose ox is getting gored. Before you start screaming about racists, I would look north and east at Mad Bob's paradise in the sun.

The jury's still out on South Africa. I wish everyone luck. It's going to take a lot of it.
 
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My RSA white friends tell me Mandela was nothing but a terrorist no different from those that downed the World Trade Center in NYC. They say he should have been hung and at any other time would have been.


One can certainly argue that he was a terrorist. Consider that the US Department of Defense defines terrorism as "the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological". It is not in dispute that he committed himself to the violent overthrow of a standing government.

Of course, the "he" in this case could stand for Mandela, who failed to effect the peaceful eradication of apartheid through political change; or it could be George Washington and his band of revolutionaries who used fear and violence to coerce the government of King George II into leaving the Colonies; or perhaps Menachem Begin (former Israeli Prime Minister) who, as leader of the Irgun, used bombings to intimidate the UK into retreating from Palestine.

As to his imprisonment, Mandela was charged with the sabotage of government and military facilities - which he admitted - and plotting the invasion of South Africa by a foreign power - which he denied. He was opposed to the taking of lives, but in favor of attacking the instruments of apartheid. In his closing statement to the court Mandela said, "during my lifetime I have dedicated myself to the struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if need be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die".

If these are the principles of a terrorist, then Mandela has good company with the likes of John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and the other rabble-rousing Founding Fathers. Mandela was certainly not perfect - how many politicians are - but he was the right man at the right time who, through his force of character, almost certainly kept South Africa from self-destructing when apartheid eventually collapsed.


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Is that anything like the black racist scum in Zimbabwe who have murdered whites and driven them off their land? That would piss me off.

It all depends on just whose ox is getting gored. Before you start screaming about racists, I would look north and east at Mad Bob's paradise in the sun.

The jury's still out on South Africa. I wish everyone luck. It's going to take a lot of it.


That was the exact reaction I expected! There is no way in hell that you can compare Bob to Mandela, in the same way that you can not compare Zim to SA. Zim is a sovereign state, and dont be mislead into thinking that the rest of Southern Africa operates like that! FYI our Botswana president is openly crtical of Mugabe as anyone in their right mind would be. What jury??? As Shakari has said, things are not perfect but SA is surely on the right path!
Terrorist is a very strong word and I was merely showing my displeasure at the use of it.
By the way, my farm in the Gwaai area of Zim was taken away 3 years ago and is currently occupied 'war vets', and when I stopped to have a look a couple months back it was just about ruined with the fences torn up and everything snared!!! So dont tell me about Mugabe, I know Mad
 
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I can't wait to see the movie.

It was truly an inspiring day.

I am a dispossessed white Zimbo. I also used to follow the line that Mandela was nothing more than a terrorist.

I have had cause to eat those words a million times since he was released.

He is probably the greatest man Africa has ever produced, and God knows I wish we had had someone of his calibre to take over in our country.
 
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You might also watch the Movie "Mandela and DeKlerk" 1997 staring Sidney Poitier and Michal Cain. coffee



 
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Thanks Shakari(steve) and Infinito I knew your insight would be helpful.I am sure the arguement on Mandela has facts for both sides(pro and cons) and the truth is somewhere in the middle.Again I thought it was very good and would encourage anyone to go and watch it.
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or have had their land taken away from them!!!


And it is OK to have had their land taken from them???


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he changed the history of South Africa for the better.


He changed the history all right...just as Mugabe has changed the history of Zim.


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He changed the history all right...just as Mugabe has changed the history of Zim.


Perhaps you could tell us why you are of that opinion and what you base it on?






 
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and God knows I wish we had had someone of his calibre to take over in our country.


I hope you don't live in the same as I!!!


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Perhaps you could tell us why you are of that opinion and what you base it on?


Anytime that a person's property is taken from them in the name of giving it back to it rightful owner or when one own's a business and he is forced to take on a 51% partner just because...that ain't right.

And I don't care who calls me a racist or scum or whatever...in my book it is socialism and eventually it will go the same way as apartheid...which I too believe was wrong.

Ian Smith and his parliment probably had it the most correct but they were never given the chance to play it out. Mostly due to our president Jimmie Carter and South Africa's post-apatheid government.


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Anytime that a person's property is taken from them in the name of giving it back to it rightful owner or when one own's a business and he is forced to take on a 51% partner just because...that ain't right.


I don't completely understand that comment. Are you suggesting that Mugabe and Mandela have both pursued those same policies?

Mugabe undoubtedly has pursued illegal land and property grabbing policies along with mass murder of the Matabele and many other people(s) and no end of other theft, corruption and innumerable human rights abuses etc.

However, you appear to think that Mandela has pursued the same policies which isn't the case at all.

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Ian Smith and his parliment probably had it the most correct but they were never given the chance to play it out. Mostly due to our president Jimmie Carter and South Africa's post-apatheid government.


Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and Ian Smith retired some considerable years before SA had a post apartheid Government, not after and therefore SAs post apartheid Govt couldn't have had any bearing on Ian Smith and his parliament because it didn't exist at that time.






 
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However, you appear to think that Mandela has pursued the same policies which isn't the case at all.


I know people in RSA in which had a black partner imposed into their businesses as a 51% partner.

You tell me???


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Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and Ian Smith retired some considerable years before SA had a post apartheid Government, not after and therefore SAs post apartheid Govt couldn't have had any bearing on Ian Smith and his parliament because it didn't exist at that time.


So in 1980 RSA had a pro apartheid government?


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So in 1980 RSA had a pro apartheid government?


Apartheid ran from 1948 - 1994.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...rica_under_apartheid

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I know people in RSA in which had a black partner imposed into their businesses as a 51% partner.

You tell me???


Sorry, I missed this one.

This doesn't apply to all companies and whilst I'm unsure of exact rules, I think you'll find it applies only to companies that want to tender for Govt contracts and even then, is not compulsory but those that do have a black partner get a degree of favourable treatment when it comes to Gvt contracts.

I believe they score it on a points system of some kind.

FWIW, I know an awful lot of guys who own their own companies here in SA and I don't know of any that have a black partner.






 
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