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I disagree. Obviously it was a donor(or Stu himself) but the damage that was done by this false statement harmed Stu far, far more than any $750 donation. The sh** storm that followed this "claim" effectively brought all donations to a halt. Larry Shores stated that it was "from Stu's mouth" that the donations were funding a lawsuit. I would like to know if he heard that from Stu's mouth or if he was simply repeating a rumor. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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It was directly from Stu's mouth. It is not a rumor. Jeff | |||
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Unless you heard it from Stu yourself you are simply repeating a rumor. Did Stu say this to you? Here on this thread he stated that he is not using the donations to fund a lawsuit and that the lawsuit is being undertaken on a contingency basis. Seeing how no one has come forward and said " I talked to Stu, and Stu said ______" I tend to think this is all rumor mill garbage. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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You are certainly allowed to think what you wany. Jeff | |||
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Sir, You were asked a direct question. I respect- fully repeat it's essence now. Did YOU hear with YOUR OWN EARS, STU say that he was using some of the money donated to him to fund a lawyer(s), or legal proceedings? IF NO is your answer, please name the person who told you that STU SAID AS MUCH. {I say again that I am fine with what STU does in this regard.} D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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Gentlemen, I find this rather sad. Stu and Tim had an accident. Many members here thought of helping Stu, by donating items for auction, services or money. As far as I know, none of these individuals know Stu personally. But, they felt a fellow hunter was in need, and they wanted to help him. Some have been donating funds directly to Stu - outside the scope of donations on AR. Now, do you honestly think any of these people would stop further donations to Stu if they were not absolutely sure of the fact that he was taking legal action? It has been mentioned that no stipulation was made as to what the collected money should be used for. That is very true. But, all the individuals involved in the donations have agreed that none of them wishes to finance a law suit. We all wish Stu all the best. | |||
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I won't be answering you or any else in this matter. As I have stated before, I have simply moved on. Intstead of trying to run an investigation, I suggest that you use your energy to write Stu a check. I will not post further on this matter sir. Jeff | |||
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+1 If anyone disagrees with Saeed's statement. It time they actually do something other than rant on AR. (1) Set up a website to collect funds - AR did that. (2) Set up a US tax deductible entity that takes credit cards to do that - Conservation Force did that. Also please note your tax deductible entity that is raising money cannot do so for litigation purposes - its not a charity activity. So by using a tax deductible structure to run your credit card donation, collect your funds and wire the money to Stu you are stipulating it will not be used for litigation purposes. (3) create a separate entity to raise money that can be used in any way - some one credible needs to step in and make sure funds donated actually reach Stu. (4) Donate a print and the professional - Andrew and Roland. (5) Buy 50 plus prints as was done on AR. (6) Donate a hunt like Larry Shores did. (7) Donate books and DVD as Mark Sullivan did. (8) Rebid for prints and hunts (9) Donate hunt in South Africa (10) Donate guns and bid above market for the guns with all proceeds to Stu. All these things were done on AR If more needs to be done - someone needs to step up and do it. Its better than ranting and asking people who have done all the above activity and who Stu has personally thanked to apologize. I am in "the done and dusted" camp with the Stu fundraising effort. But if someone is willing to set up and run a new fundraising for Stu with some great donate hunts, guns or prints I am may be tempted to give money that I have allocated to go hunting to Stu. Its time someone who is so offended by Saeed or Larry Shores or Conservation Force or anyone else who donated to Stu does that. Stu needs help - its time for other people to step up and open their checkbooks. And if they can't step up at least stop whining. Mike | |||
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Money from ME has been sent to STU! With that, I'm out of this thread. D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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Let me provide some comments, clarification, facts and opinions on this matter. I have been mentioned as the source of the comment about legal fees paid. The following is what I said in another thread or at least, very close to a direct quote: "It is straight from Stu's mouth". I can see how this can be read. I should have picked my words more carefully. Let me clear. To the best of my knowledge, I have never spoken a word to Stu Taylor in my life. The following is an excerpt from and e mail I received prior to this hitting AR: "John Jackson at the Conservation Force called me all concerned because there has been about $80,000 raised for Stu, but when he asked for some medical bills, etc. for their records, all he got back was some records showing Stu paying 2 trackers, a cleaning person and then a bill for $5000 for a lawyer last month" As previously reported here by more than one person, CF has cut this matter off. They will handle no more funds for Stu. Why would they do this? The obvious answer is that they think this may jeopardize their tax exempt status. I have to agree. THIS SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE HERE STOP AND THINK. I will also tell you that I have spoken to someone who has spoken directly to Stu. This person says that Stu did give him the same information as contained in the e mail above. If this person wants to speak up, I will let them do so. I am not going to identify this person. Personally, I believe it. That is my OPINION. I was never going to say a word about it as I do not believe Stu is thinking clearly. I also think he has been given some bad advice. I am not faulting him. When someone has been traumatized, they often do not think clearly. Ladies & gentlemen, I have a serious case of always wanting to help those in need. I have done it many times in my life and I am sure I will do more before I die. Everything that happened in 2012 really got to me. I put up a lot of money between direct wire transfers to Stu, hunts purchased, prints purchased and the hunt I donated. I do not regret it at all. Having said that, I became a bit concerned over a matter BEFORE I ever got the e mail above. I offered to have world class surgeons that specialize in this type of injury look at Stu's medical records at no cost with the promise that should there find something, I would work on raising the money for the procedures. STU WENT DEAD SILENT AFTER ACKNOWLEDGING THE OFFER. This bothered me a lot. Let me give my opinions on this entire matter: 1- Does Stu have a right to spend the money however he wants? YES! No legal restrictions were placed on the money donated. 2- Would I have gone to the efforts I have IF I had thought the money would be used for legal fees? NO!!!! That is a personal decision I would have made. others may think differently. A lot of people feel the same way. I have received many messages. 3- Does Stu have the right to sue Tim? Absolutely. However. there are very significant legal hurdles to overcome. Let me emphasize the word significant. Some of the comments on the various threads show a lot of ignorance on the matter. 4- Does Stu have the right to sue Tim's insurance carrier? Yes, remember that anyone can sue for anything in this country. This does not mean they will win. Tim's carrier has a contractual obligation to TIM. It has NO contractual obligation to Stu. A lot is going to depend on which state's law the policy is written under. I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT IN FLORIDA, HE WOULD HAVE NO CASE unless Tim assigned his rights under the contract. Perhaps another states laws are different. 5- As abrasive as he often is, 505 is right about one thing. The total funds raised thus far is not enough to make Stu whole for the rest of his life. My concern is that the legal action will not be successful and most here, myself included, have decided that they will contribute no more. I personally know of at least 4 fundraising efforts that were in the works when this hit AR. ALL HAVE STOPPED. 6- You all are not even questioning whether the opening poster was Stu. I am not saying that it isn't him. I don't know. Hell, I could sign up with a screen name of Barack Obama. Come to think of it, that might be fun. 7- Stu is in a difficult situation. I feel for him. However, I think he has not handled this matter very well. it may just be his personality. I wish him the best. I have said all I am going to say. Now, off to pack for California. I am headed there to see FSU win the national championship. Thanks to everyone who contributed their hard earned funds for this effort. | |||
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No one has stated that Stu isn't proceeding with legal action, in fact, Stu has stated that he has employed an attorney on a contingency basis. You are squirming Saeed, trying to cover the horrible thing you have done with your unsubstantiated allegations.
This is the first logical statement I have seen in this whole clusterf*ck that gives donors a legitimate gripe. Here's another question, past the above statement where you lose your tax donation, what difference does it make if Stu used funds to retain an attorney or hired him on contingency? Supposedly, everyone donated funds to help Stu make his life whole as possible, perhaps that requires an attorney? | |||
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Thank you. You have just proven my point. | |||
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+1 Larry you have done far more for Stu, a person you have never met or hunted with, than a lot of people who knew, hunted or were acquainted with Stu. Lets see if you get any response from the peanut gallery. Go Noles | |||
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+1 The fundamental issue in this whole fundraising is that the intermediary - Conservation Force is being put at risk by Stu litigating. Without the Conservation Force there would have been no fundraising. People would not have gone and bought prints or donated to Stu if each person had to go wire money from a bank or give money to someone in Zim to give to Stu. Conservation Force has the infrastructure to raise money to process credit card transactions to aggregate funds and then to wire it. What would happen if someone disputes the contribution with their credit card company - the Conservation Force would be stuck with the bill. There are many legitimate legal and charitable fundraising reasons why they dropped raising money for Stu. What would happen if the litigation news came out on APril 24 after everyone had filed their taxes? Opening complicated tax returns is no a cheap activity. Its a lot easier to bitch and whine about this fundraising than actually try replicate 10% of it. Try getting credit card facilitation services when you have set up a collection fund to transfer money to someone in Zim for any purposes. Mike | |||
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Hi Larry. My name is Mike Taylor and I am Stu's dad, and also a ph. In January of last year when Stu was in hospital in South Africa we were informed that Tim's insurance company wanted to interview Stu regarding the accident so that a claim could be lodged with the insurance company. Stu was advised at the time to have a lawyer at the meeting . At the time Stu had no intention of claiming anything from Tim or his insurers. After the meeting the lawyer continued to follow up on the meeting which was his duty. At the time I asked the lawyer to give me a costing on what his costs were to date so that I would have something to work on if the claim never went through and we landed up with a bill that would be difficult to pay. Unfortunaly the invoice was included with Stu's costs to CF WHEN IT WAS FOR MY PERSONNEL FILE ONLY. Stu to my knowledge has never stated to anyone that he would use the donations to pay for legal fees. So now I would like to know who said that. Larry, between you Roland and Chrissie, you guys have done an amazing job to help Stu. My wife , the trackers and myself are extremely grateful for what you did for Stu. I have spoken with Stu and we have agreed that he will not accept anymore charity. I do not like to see you folkS on AR bickering and insulting each other on this forum, it makes it worse for Stu mentally so maybe now this thread can stop once and for all. Regards Mike Taylor | |||
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Hi Mike, I'm sorry its gone this way and hope things get vastly better soon. Regards and have a great coming season, Adam C  Better days. | |||
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Mike, Great response and you sound like a good man and a great dad. With that said however, could we kill the 800lb Gorilla in the room by telling us whether or not Stu is suing Tim?? Yes or no? | |||
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Mike, My apologies to Stu if anything I have said or done has caused him more stress. I truly wish him and his family the best. Brad Cromeens | |||
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Hi Mike, Very nice to meet you sir! And you are very welcome!!! As you may know I've been in contact with Stu from a couple weeks ago when I had to give him the details about the delivery for his very own Lion Print donated by Bwana Jeff Bunduki...and in this time it was truly an honor of meeting Stu for the very first time. I have not commented to the nay-sayers here because they don't affect my world nor do I need their approval for my decisions...they're bashing just shows their ignorance and they've made a good show for themselves...it's a shame but their true colors show well. I have enjoyed my talks with Stu and have kept all matters private...You sir have raised one fine man of excellent reputation and character...Stu's integrity and the love for his family has made me proud to serve him. A lot of the bashers her don't know the full scope of things and don't do their due diligent research and check all the threads regarding this issue and date/time stamps either to get the whole picture and how things have progressed...but prefer to pick and choose what they want to quote...I for one don't find a need to explain myself to them for they have not been a part of this entire process and show themselves unworthy and incompetent...they profess to know everything! Personally I will continue to financially help Stu as he knows  Bless you brother! Roland | |||
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Seems likes a fair and reasonable request by Stu Taylors father. Will the Stu basher who started such rumor be man enough to step forward? An email document to C-Fund that accidentally had the costing for Stu Taylors legal representation for when being interviewed by Heralds insurance company, does not even remotely equate to, "hearing it straight from Stu Taylors mouth". | |||
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OK. Let's boil it down to dollars and cents with a hypothetical case I had years ago. My client (the defendant) injured someone in an accident. It was my client's fault. He wanted to pay for the damages. He had insurance. Insurance company thought that the initial payments by my client (basically medical bills)were sufficient and they were suspicious given the plaintiff's and my client's relationship. They didn't want to pay anything. Sometimes a lawsuit is necessary -- even if it is a rather friendly lawsuit -- just to get the insurance company's attention and get them to honour the contract they entered into with the insured -- the defendant in this case. None of us know enough to cast stones in this case. I'd suggest we all just shut up and listen - and let the professionals, who are in the know, come to the proper and just solution. | |||
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Thanks everyone for your comments. Lets get rid of this 800lb gorilla. In Jan 2013 Tim spoke to his insurance company about the accident. Tim felt that there was a case for a claim in favour of Stu. Because of this the insurance company sent a rep to interview Stu while he was in hospital. This was when Stu was advised to have a lawyer present at the meeting. Since then Stu's lawyer continued to follow up on what was happening. This included corresponding with Tim's lawyer who is also putting pressure on the insurance company. To date nobody is suing anybody. Stu's lawyer is working on a contingency basis. I have confirmed this with a meeting I had with him last weekend. Stu's lawyer did confirm with me that he and Tim's lawyer are still working together to push the insurance company to come to a decision. Hey Adam not a bad buff Mike | |||
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Thanks for that Mike, should clear things up here. I hope that everything works out when it's done. You are a Gentleman.
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I hunt ducks with my best friend. We are both lawyers. If either of us injured the other in a hunting accident, we both expect and want the other to sue. That is what the insurance is for. Insurance companies do what they do--delay. Stu is wise to have an Attorney stay on top of this. BTW, I call Tim a friend and would have no problem hunting with him. I'm sure Tim is trying to get help to Stu and is just as frustrated with the Insurance company's delays as Stu (and us). I believe this will all sort itself out for the better over time. I gave to Stu more than once, without conditions. I do think that using the money for Attorney fees (which apparently didn't happen) jeopardizes the tax emempt status of that entity and it must proceed with caution to insure that the funds are used for its stated purpose. I wish Stu the best and a speedy recovery. I wish Tim peace and closure. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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